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Randey Miromme
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:16:00 -
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For someone thinking about building caps.... would it be wise to purchase BPO's for Orca and back into cap production as the isk comes in for the additional needed BPO'S?
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:00:00 -
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Personally? I'd do it the other way around. Get the capital component BPOs, get them researched up, and then get the ship print (possibly pre-researched? up to you).
But either way, really. In any event I hope you have a POS up. You're going to be doing a whole lot of ME research. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:32:00 -
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Get the component BPOs first. You can still make a profit by buying the ship BPCs, but you'd be hard pressed to make much profit if you're buying all the necessary component BPCs (compare price of an Orca BPC pack with the profit on the manufacture of an Orca)
Research on the ship BPO will likely take longer, but you could either use ship BPCs to manufacture or copy the component BPOs and sell the copies in the interim. |
Bertrand Prout
Sunday Sessions
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:58:00 -
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To answer your question, Orcas and freighters have the worst margin atm, of all the capital ships. Generally, BPC packs are never worth it, except for super caps. The best way to do it if you start from scratch with a tight budget is to buy the important BPOs for carriers/dreads (those that require a lot of parts..) and BPCs for the rest. Then, focus on the ship whose BPC is the cheapest, which would be the Thanatos atm. BTW, by tight budget I mean 20b+ where half of your isk will be in minerals, because if you want to improve your BPO collection, you'll need to build a lot of capital ships.
With time, the BPOs will save you time, money and some logistics.
About whether or not you should buy unresearched BPOs, well, it takes 35 days to research them to ME 50 - PE 10. Personally, since their NPC price went up, I'd buy them all as cheap as possible, including those with a PE of 0 so you can put it in a NPC station for 7 days to get it up to 10. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:52:00 -
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Randey Miromme wrote:For someone thinking about building caps.... would it be wise to purchase BPO's for Orca and back into cap production as the isk comes in for the additional needed BPO'S?
If you cant afford the bpos for the hull, all components and minerals to build them then keep saving and come back to this later. |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:46:00 -
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Randey Miromme wrote:For someone thinking about building caps.... would it be wise to purchase BPO's for Orca and back into cap production as the isk comes in for the additional needed BPO'S?
Open up a spreadsheet, run the numbers, then see if it's worth doing... if it's a goal you like to achieve.
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:30:00 -
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Randey Miromme wrote:For someone thinking about building caps.... would it be wise to purchase BPO's for Orca and back into cap production as the isk comes in for the additional needed BPO'S?
Maybe.
Orca and carriers share prints (IIRC, all the prints in the Orca are used by carriers, and then carriers add 2-3 more) ... so starting with the Orca won't be that bad (as opposed to starting with a freighter). Though, you will need to be able to have 10-20 billion tied up in prints alone ... then ~2 billion in minerals just to keep some semblance of things running.
I haven't touched Orcas in a long time ... but last time I ran the numbers, it was something like 1 sold was enough profit for less than half another build (so, like every third Orca allowed to add one more to the production cycle -- assuming I could do it with the prints I had). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Randey Miromme
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:43:00 -
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That was what I was thinking.... Make Orcas with the prints I buy and invest the profit into buying the rest of the prints for carriers. It's more a goal then a search for Isk stream. Thanks to everyone for the input. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:14:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:I haven't touched Orcas in a long time ... but last time I ran the numbers, it was something like 1 sold was enough profit for less than half another build (so, like every third Orca allowed to add one more to the production cycle -- assuming I could do it with the prints I had).
So you're saying the profit margin is 33%. That sounds very attractive to me. Am I overlooking something? Or have I misunderstood you? |
Bertrand Prout
Sunday Sessions
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:41:00 -
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http://eve.smith-net.org.uk/capital/orca/ Check this if you want to have an idea of the profits. Orca margins atm with a ME of 2 doesn't even have a profit margin of 10%, before taxes and broker fees. |
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:18:00 -
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Bertrand Prout wrote:http://eve.smith-net.org.uk/capital/orca/ Check this if you want to have an idea of the profits. Orca margins atm with a ME of 2 doesn't even have a profit margin of 10%, before taxes and broker fees.
yeah, I suppose I should have mentioned that my orca is ME6, and the prints are ME 100. Site shows a build cost of about 405m (we'll say 400), sell orders in the region are 563m (we'll say 560) ... so RIGHT NOW TODAY I could make about 25% profit (after taxes are accounted for) ... IF I had one to sell.
honestly, my profits back then were probably in the 25-30% range also, so more like every 4th Orca was "a whole additional ship" but I also bought minerals in stupid large numbers (enough to build 2+ at a time) so I could keep an orca sitting around for the "in between" times when the market started to dry up (benefit of a slow region) and add an additional 5% or so to the price...
new ship patches are the best though ... was selling talos et al for like 220 mil the first day. Would have been better if the lemmings kept the price high for longer than 24-48 hours though ... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Bertrand Prout
Sunday Sessions
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:50:00 -
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I'm not sure where you get that 405m with this tool. You should get 516m and the numbers it pulls are at worst 2-3% off what you will see ingame in Jita. Make sure you check the option Buying - Maximum in the price editor. The profit margin should be 9% before taxes and other fees. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1607
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:07:00 -
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Bertrand Prout wrote:I'm not sure where you get that 405m with this tool. You should get 516m and the numbers it pulls are at worst 2-3% off what you will see ingame in Jita. Make sure you check the option Buying - Maximum in the price editor. The profit margin should be 9% before taxes and other fees.
ah, didn't see that you could change the prices as well One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:12:00 -
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Bertrand Prout wrote:Generally, BPC packs are never worth it, except for super caps. I know I'm not "most people" but I tend to purchase the packs to construct the ship in nullsec. I don't have all the prints yet, but someone needs X built, so it is easier to ship 1m-¦ of blueprint copies than a whole ship. Especially when it needs to be shipped via jump freighter or carrier.
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Bertrand Prout
Sunday Sessions
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:58:00 -
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Huttan Funaila wrote:I know I'm not "most people" but I tend to purchase the packs to construct the ship in nullsec. I don't have all the prints yet, but someone needs X built, so it is easier to ship 1m-¦ of blueprint copies than a whole ship. Especially when it needs to be shipped via jump freighter or carrier.
That's IMO the main reason why people buy these packs. When I was selling caps in my alliance I would still build them in low and move them myself down in null. Though, I had a small cyno chain and a good amount of cyno beacons I would blindly jump to. What I meant to say is that it's not very profitable but sometimes it's more convenient. |
Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:11:00 -
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Bertrand Prout wrote:Huttan Funaila wrote:I know I'm not "most people" but I tend to purchase the packs to construct the ship in nullsec. I don't have all the prints yet, but someone needs X built, so it is easier to ship 1m-¦ of blueprint copies than a whole ship. Especially when it needs to be shipped via jump freighter or carrier.
That's IMO the main reason why people buy these packs. When I was selling caps in my alliance I would still build them in low and move them myself down in null. Though, I had a small cyno chain and a good amount of cyno beacons I would blindly jump to. What I meant to say is that it's not very profitable but sometimes it's more convenient.
It used to be more profitable. IE the i buy a pack for 100-150m and build costs was 600m. to **** out carrier worth 800-900m
Esp considering 90% of my trit was coming from hauler spawns. IT was worth grabbing the rorq alt to haul but never worth shipping to high sec to sell. So build costs were more like 450m |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:25:00 -
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Randey Miromme wrote:For someone thinking about building caps.... would it be wise to purchase BPO's for Orca and back into cap production as the isk comes in for the additional needed BPO'S?
It takes 7 months for ME 6 PE1 Orca BPO or at minimium 3 months for ME 2 PE 1. It will take each component BPO about 2 months to research. so go with the Orca. You can always continue the ME research while component BPOs are being researched (or make copies). |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:48:00 -
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Yeah, you're not ready to build caps yet. |
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