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Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:44:00 -
[631] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:Indy Indy wrote:Holy **** -- 31 pages?
I generally avoid even commenting on anything to do with you ******* retards but I can't help myself.
Someone go back and look to see how many unique posters are in this thread. I am betting it is 200 or less.
So 200 of you neckbeards are so ******* upset with CCP that you are going to unsub and ragequit forever. Guess what? CCP is profit driven and they will sell more plex by giving these prizes to Somer to give away than by appeasing you. No one really cares that your all mad because you don't get the same toy everyone else does.
SInce when has EVE been fair? Next thing you know you guys are going to want to make is so high security space is gank free and all the moon minerals are the same in null security so no one can have an advantage -- oh wait.
**** it. You guys win. All 200 of you. You ever happen to notice how small an opinion survey is on incredibly important RL topics? We people take the time to GIVE an unsolicited opinion interested parties should take note. The silent majority don't say anything when they are pissed off - they just walk away.
Or they just don't give a ****. |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
198
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:46:00 -
[632] - Quote
Indy Indy wrote:Holy **** -- 31 pages?
I generally avoid even commenting on anything to do with you ******* retards but I can't help myself.
Someone go back and look to see how many unique posters are in this thread. I am betting it is 200 or less.
That might be because 99% of the player base don't know or give a crap about SOMERBlink or this lottery. Which makes it even worse. |
Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:48:00 -
[633] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:Indy Indy wrote:Holy **** -- 31 pages?
I generally avoid even commenting on anything to do with you ******* retards but I can't help myself.
Someone go back and look to see how many unique posters are in this thread. I am betting it is 200 or less.
That might be because 99% of the player base don't know or give a crap about SOMERBlink or this lottery. Which makes it even worse.
How does that make it worse? It means that the people bitching about this is are truly a bunch of whiney bitches. No one cares how much isk somer has. No one cares if they will make more off of this.
SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that? |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
198
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:02:00 -
[634] - Quote
Indy Indy wrote:SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that?
With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me? |
Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:05:00 -
[635] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:Indy Indy wrote:SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that? With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me?
Yep. I am joking. Not happening. Go back to mining or something. |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
120
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:17:00 -
[636] - Quote
Indy Indy wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:Indy Indy wrote:SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that? With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me? Yep. I am joking. Not happening. Go back to mining or something. Dude, chill. It's only a game. |
Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:30:00 -
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Abernie wrote:Indy Indy wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:Indy Indy wrote:SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that? With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me? Yep. I am joking. Not happening. Go back to mining or something. Dude, chill. It's only a game.
Aren't you the one unsubbing in like 8 hours? |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
120
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:55:00 -
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Indy Indy wrote:Abernie wrote:Indy Indy wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:Indy Indy wrote:SOMER is sponsoring Eve Vegas -- the largest fan driven event for Eve -- why wouldn't CCP support that? With prizes donated to them by CCP? Are you kidding me? Yep. I am joking. Not happening. Go back to mining or something. Dude, chill. It's only a game. Aren't you the one unsubbing in like 8 hours? Yea. After articulating my issues with the situation. As opposed to you coming here to yell at people who don't like what CCP is doing and telling them to go back to mining or whatever. |
Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:59:00 -
[639] - Quote
I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least. |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
120
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:04:00 -
[640] - Quote
Indy Indy wrote:I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least. I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4660
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:08:00 -
[641] - Quote
Abernie wrote:Indy Indy wrote:I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least. I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game. If they give to to progodlegend's chaps, it would affect the game for the better There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:12:00 -
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Abernie wrote:Indy Indy wrote:I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least. I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game.
You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC. I would say that CCP is making a smart business decision by backing an in game group that helps drive sales for them.
How does Somer receiving more isk do anything to the game? There will be at most 5 ships given out -- which anyone will have the chance to buy from the winners I am sure -- and those ships will most likely never be flown.
Sounds to me like everyone that is bitching is mad because they didn't get free stuff. Well -- you didn't have an idea that has blossomed into a very lucrative and fun service -- that gives back the EVE community every day. -- If you don't like Somer -- don't blink. If you don't like that CCP likes Somer -- don't play EVE.
If you don't like people trolling you -- don't be a ******* ******. |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
120
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:26:00 -
[643] - Quote
Indy Indy wrote:Abernie wrote:Indy Indy wrote:I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least. I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game. You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC. I would say that CCP is making a smart business decision by backing an in game group that helps drive sales for them. How does Somer receiving more isk do anything to the game? There will be at most 5 ships given out -- which anyone will have the chance to buy from the winners I am sure -- and those ships will most likely never be flown. Sounds to me like everyone that is bitching is mad because they didn't get free stuff. Well -- you didn't have an idea that has blossomed into a very lucrative and fun service -- that gives back the EVE community every day. -- If you don't like Somer -- don't blink. If you don't like that CCP likes Somer -- don't play EVE. If you don't like people trolling you -- don't be a ******* ******. 1) Have you read the CCP posts, like the OP for example? It's quite clear that these handouts will continue. 2) Somerblink is a business so everything they do is marketing, not charity. (Also them giving isk from GTC purchases is basically RMT, but let's not get into that). And the recipient being somer is still the least of my issues with this situation. 3) The ships' value doesn't come from whether they are in a hangar or in space. 4) CCP shouldn't 'like' anyone if that means they are going to give them an advantage in a sandbox game. 5) Yea it's quite obvious that you're trolling but I really have nothing better to do while mining ice in my mom's basement so ehh
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Xeen Du'Wang
Knights of the Black Watch
9
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:59:00 -
[644] - Quote
Indy Indy wrote:Abernie wrote:Indy Indy wrote:I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least. I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game. You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC. I would say that CCP is making a smart business decision by backing an in game group that helps drive sales for them. How does Somer receiving more isk do anything to the game? There will be at most 5 ships given out -- which anyone will have the chance to buy from the winners I am sure -- and those ships will most likely never be flown. Sounds to me like everyone that is bitching is mad because they didn't get free stuff. Well -- you didn't have an idea that has blossomed into a very lucrative and fun service -- that gives back the EVE community every day. -- If you don't like Somer -- don't blink. If you don't like that CCP likes Somer -- don't play EVE. If you don't like people trolling you -- don't be a ******* ******.
Sommer Alt detected
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Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:32:00 -
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im glad im not a Somer alt. I wouldn't be able to win. |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:30:00 -
[646] - Quote
Indy Indy wrote:Abernie wrote:Indy Indy wrote:I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least. I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game. You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC. I would say that CCP is making a smart business decision by backing an in game group that helps drive sales for them. How does Somer receiving more isk do anything to the game? There will be at most 5 ships given out -- which anyone will have the chance to buy from the winners I am sure -- and those ships will most likely never be flown. Sounds to me like everyone that is bitching is mad because they didn't get free stuff. Well -- you didn't have an idea that has blossomed into a very lucrative and fun service -- that gives back the EVE community every day. -- If you don't like Somer -- don't blink. If you don't like that CCP likes Somer -- don't play EVE. If you don't like people trolling you -- don't be a ******* ******.
The issue isn't the value of the ships - it's the loads of free profit Somer is being given through increased use of their services. These ships are driving a lot of traffic to their lotteries; that's ISK that could have been going to their competition, but instead it is profit gained by Somer not through their own efforts, but because of what CCP arbitrarily gave them for free.
My analogy from the CSM statement thread:
Quote:Some are arguing that Somer is receiving these prizes as a reward for them sponsoring the EVE Vegas event. Frankly, that's ridiculous logic. Let me give you an example: let's say you have a real-life company which owns a racing team. This company decides to sponsor a race, in which their team will participate. Should the track owners give this company's car a head start in the race in exchange for their sponsorship? Of course not! If they did, no other teams would participate, as it's a rigged event! Yet that is exactly what we have happening here with CCP and Somer - the "impartial" referees are giving one group of players an advantage over the others, merely becaue they sponsored an event. The rewards of sponsorship are visibility and advertising, not direct handouts and unfair advantages.
Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:44:00 -
[647] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Indy Indy wrote:Abernie wrote:Indy Indy wrote:I'm sorry you don't like my opinion. I guess now I feel your pain at CCP not liking yours. Stop playing if you don't like it. If you want to keep playing, stop bitching about things that won't even effect you in the least. I see that we have a disagreement on whether CCPs decision to start giving out trillions of isk ingame to random third parties is going to affect the game. You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC. I would say that CCP is making a smart business decision by backing an in game group that helps drive sales for them. How does Somer receiving more isk do anything to the game? There will be at most 5 ships given out -- which anyone will have the chance to buy from the winners I am sure -- and those ships will most likely never be flown. Sounds to me like everyone that is bitching is mad because they didn't get free stuff. Well -- you didn't have an idea that has blossomed into a very lucrative and fun service -- that gives back the EVE community every day. -- If you don't like Somer -- don't blink. If you don't like that CCP likes Somer -- don't play EVE. If you don't like people trolling you -- don't be a ******* ******. The issue isn't the value of the ships - it's the loads of free profit Somer is being given through increased use of their services. These ships are driving a lot of traffic to their lotteries; that's ISK that could have been going to their competition, but instead it is profit gained by Somer not through their own efforts, but because of what CCP arbitrarily gave them for free. My analogy from the CSM statement thread: Quote:Some are arguing that Somer is receiving these prizes as a reward for them sponsoring the EVE Vegas event. Frankly, that's ridiculous logic. Let me give you an example: let's say you have a real-life company which owns a racing team. This company decides to sponsor a race, in which their team will participate. Should the track owners give this company's car a head start in the race in exchange for their sponsorship? Of course not! If they did, no other teams would participate, as it's a rigged event! Yet that is exactly what we have happening here with CCP and Somer - the "impartial" referees are giving one group of players an advantage over the others, merely becaue they sponsored an event. The rewards of sponsorship are visibility and advertising, not direct handouts and unfair advantages.
I wouldn't call it free -- Somer puts a lot of energy into doing what they do which in turns drives sales for CCP. You do something to drive sales of thousands of dollars and see if CCP offers you anything. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4660
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:53:00 -
[648] - Quote
Wow, clearly nothing the mittani's slaves does are worthy of attention There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Indy Indy
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:54:00 -
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except rage form domis for my moas when I caome visit you guys...... |
Yhor Pita
6
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:20:00 -
[650] - Quote
Spawning special items for exclusive players/groups is the problem, not Blink, not gambling, but openly doing what T20 did and completely leaving the CSM in the dark while doing it. The CSM was specifically created to advise and deal with these situations, yet they get informed after the fact and are left holding the bag when the party is over.
I think it's sad that I came back to Eve to shoot at Goons, but everyday I find myself wanting to join them to shoot at some of the dumbfck denizens in the Eve universe.
I'm pretty terrible though, so all I do is suicide into gatecamps and chase condors.
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Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
198
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Posted - 2013.10.01 06:40:00 -
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Indy Indy wrote:You are confusing random third parties with an in game entity that is sponsoring a rather large our of game event, and a group that gives away 250m isk every time someone buys a GTC.
Confirmed that you have no clue how Somer works. Perfect. Keep discussing. |
SubStandard Rin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:59:00 -
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Well normally I play on Blink with my main. But I agree that CCP have handled this very unprofessional with Sommer Blink.
When I look at the "Winners" there is quite a few of them that strikes me as odd.
out of 21 special prices at least two is very fishy. and then if you add the 50B blast there is another one.
and even more that is mildly suspicious. the ones I flagged as suspicious is the following.
10th Aniverciry box http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=605475962 http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=1817253866
Rubricon Cruiser http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=1750993143
50B blast http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=93756000
Bonk runners up (1 ticket / player so its more logical here) http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=92060039 http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=93332087 http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=1648319031 http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=1474513963 http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=1053572195
but lets look at the worst three and there Chances of winning.
Kenji Takei - played 5 blinks 1 won ( 40m in winning, a normal blink) that gives him 5+2 tickets and with 21 items to win his chances of winning anything was 0,011%
Halo Phase - harder to calculate since he is an older char, but with only 23 played Blinks and been playing since Apr its roughly 1 ticket / week or enough to play the bonus blinks when he can. lets assume 1 ticket as the winning is older that would give him 0,0016% chance of winning. if its 10 tickets now it would be 0,016% chance of winning.
Azzbubble King - 18 played 2 wins (frigs) so the number of tickets should be 22 netting him with only 5 bonk prices 0,0083% chance of winning the 50B.
Sure lets play the dice game but its very worrying that that a Special rare cruiser and a 10th anniversary box is given to someone with so low chances of winning. sure its a Gamble but for SommerBlinks sake i hope both they and CCP is investigating the following since neither of them benefits from doubts. I hope its a fluke but for the sake of both "Games" i hope the flags are false flags but for now Please CCP don't give out more stuff without controlling it. because if someone at Sommer blink have been lining there pockets with those items we got a potential real legal issue here. since the box is worth real currency. |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
260
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:08:00 -
[653] - Quote
Hiya!
You don't have to theorycraft on what tickets people had :) Remember that the "Blinks played" stat on profiles don't include promos, and promos do also give tickets.
The full Blast ticket list is here - http://assets.cogdev.net/bonk/blast-21.txt - I strongly recomend doing a right-click save as rather than just opening. The filesize will eat most browers' face :p
That list was posted, and a Dice was locked on Chribba's site and posted as well. All 500+ people who were in our Somer Lotteries channel or happened to come by our site all had 15-ish minutes to download that list and check on the locked Dice. Then the Dice were unlocked (here: http://eve-files.com/tools/dice/view/Blink_Blast_21 ) and the winners were announced.
If you can think of a more transparent way to have drawn the winners, or someone whose 3rd party random selection is more trustworthy than Chribba, we're always happy to take suggestions :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
SubStandard Rin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:41:00 -
[654] - Quote
The biggest issue i have is that the ticket list isn't "Public untill after the drawing" thus the list can't be trusted it could have been manipulated after the drawing was concluded.
here lies the biggest improved Sommer Blink could do to show each player witch "Ticket number" they got in advance. thus removing the issue all together.
this gives false security. and an oportunity to "Cheat" the system. this is only an issue on limited CCP items in my oppion.
as I said I don't think your cheating as you gain enough isk/h from just running the lottery but the problem lies in the observation off an issue.
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
262
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:49:00 -
[655] - Quote
SubStandard Rin wrote:The biggest issue i have is that the ticket list isn't "Public untill after the drawing" thus the list can't be trusted it could have been manipulated after the drawing was concluded.
here lies the biggest improved Sommer Blink could do to show each player witch "Ticket number" they got in advance. thus removing the issue all together.
this gives false security. and an oportunity to "Cheat" the system. this is only an issue on limited CCP items in my oppion.
as I said I don't think your cheating as you gain enough isk/h from just running the lottery but the problem lies in the observation off an issue.
Appreciate the feedback :) You may have misunderstood part of my post above, though.
The way the event runs - the timer ends. We post a ticket list, and lock a dice on Chribba's site. We moderate our public channel to tell everyone that those are both posted, and to help explain how to download them for those who are less than tech inclined.
Then we sit and twiddle our thumbs for about 10-15 minutes, so that several hundred people have a chance to download those ticket lists, and so they can see what ticket numbers they had, or anyone else had before the drawing ever starts.
Then we re-moderate the channel and begin the drawing, using the ticket list that everyone now has a copy of and the dice that were locked on Chribba's site before the drawing started :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Xeen Du'Wang
Knights of the Black Watch
11
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:56:00 -
[656] - Quote
Oh no, there is no way to manipulate it Im sure.
In the end, it doesnt matter how you do it.... Its the fact that you were given prizes to make a stack of ISK for selling GTC's for them.
So you were given an in game benefit because you work for CCP. Id bet the Devs dont even get that.
Now the question is... Unsubscribe or no?
I really dont like it when the Game Master gives all the cool stuff to one player, even if its me. |
Zara Arran
Negative Density
49
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:57:00 -
[657] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote: Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently?
A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged.
They are trustworthy and reliable until they are not. Have you not played Eve yourself? Have you not learned from your own game? People are able to scam and steal by first gaining trust so they get more. I am not saying SOMER blink will.. but they can... and as you stated before, you cant control or give the community the security that this is fair. Plus, they are not a non-profit organisation (as mentioned many times in here), but a gambling site...
Regarding not involving the CSM.. CCP is not required to do this, and can't ask the CSMs opinion about everything they want to do. I doubt CCP realized how much negative responses they're getting from this...
I do want to say that I like the fact you listened to the group of people that were against redistributing unique ships. +1 for that. [D3NSE] Negative Density |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2260
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:21:00 -
[658] - Quote
Still waiting for navigator to back up their claims that literally every single transaction, lottery, etc thus far have been 100% honoured and honest
have you audited literally every single in game and out of game system and event, Navigator? |
Xeen Du'Wang
Knights of the Black Watch
11
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:40:00 -
[659] - Quote
Zara Arran wrote:CCP Navigator wrote: Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently?
A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged.
They are trustworthy and reliable until they are not. Have you not played Eve yourself? Have you not learned from your own game? People are able to scam and steal by first gaining trust so they get more. I am not saying SOMER blink will.. but they can... and as you stated before, you cant control or give the community the security that this is fair. Plus, they are not a non-profit organisation (as mentioned many times in here), but a gambling site... Regarding not involving the CSM.. CCP is not required to do this, and can't ask the CSMs opinion about everything they want to do. I doubt CCP realized how much negative responses they're getting from this... I do want to say that I like the fact you listened to the group of people that were against redistributing unique ships. +1 for that.
But didnt they just create new unique ships? |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:42:00 -
[660] - Quote
Indy Indy wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:(quote chain removed for brevity) The issue isn't the value of the ships - it's the loads of free profit Somer is being given through increased use of their services. These ships are driving a lot of traffic to their lotteries; that's ISK that could have been going to their competition, but instead it is profit gained by Somer not through their own efforts, but because of what CCP arbitrarily gave them for free. My analogy from the CSM statement thread: Quote:Some are arguing that Somer is receiving these prizes as a reward for them sponsoring the EVE Vegas event. Frankly, that's ridiculous logic. Let me give you an example: let's say you have a real-life company which owns a racing team. This company decides to sponsor a race, in which their team will participate. Should the track owners give this company's car a head start in the race in exchange for their sponsorship? Of course not! If they did, no other teams would participate, as it's a rigged event! Yet that is exactly what we have happening here with CCP and Somer - the "impartial" referees are giving one group of players an advantage over the others, merely becaue they sponsored an event. The rewards of sponsorship are visibility and advertising, not direct handouts and unfair advantages. I wouldn't call it free -- Somer puts a lot of energy into doing what they do which in turns drives sales for CCP. You do something to drive sales of thousands of dollars and see if CCP offers you anything.
You obviously do not understand the idea of sponsorship, nor the analogy presented.
If CCP wants to reward Somer as a business partner in promoting the game, fine; but that reward cannot translate to an advantage in the competition with other players! Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
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