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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:53:00 -
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CCP, please fix things and please give a response to our concerns about SomerGate, soon, please. |
Careby
Careby Exploration
23
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Posted - 2013.10.08 18:40:00 -
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I support CCP's right to do whatever they like with their games. And I exercised my own right to cancel my (too many) EVE subscriptions. I gave them a reason: Ingame Issues / Other / Inequitable distribution of in-game items such as gifts of Scorpion Ishukone Watch to SOMER Blink employees.
EVE is a real life time and money sink. It competes for my resources with many other worthwhile activities. There are lots of reasons I shouldn't be spending so much of my time and money on the game. "SOMERgift" has a miniscule impact on me personally. A 15b bonus for a few players that the rest of us don't get - about two years worth of free game. Not enough to get my knickers in a bunch, really, if I weren't already primed by other factors.
The concept that SOMER Blink adds value to EVE can be argued either way. I find accounts of their generosity a bit strained - they take dollars and isk and give back some of the isk - how generous is that? But that's my own opinion and not really relevant. What's more important is the perception of the source of the value of the game content. Players make the content, and players are the most valuable variable in the EVE equation. Or at least I think they are.
I feel no rage, and I can't say for sure if my decision will be permanent. All I know is that today, I felt like canceling my subscriptions and so I did. I'm sure CCP won't be too upset about it.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
438
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:13:00 -
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Since I didn't get a CCP answer in the other thread:
For CCP: "Just hit me that CCP employees who play in secret (as required) may not really understand the value of isk. Do they get their side accounts for free or do they have to really join the rest of us in forking up cash each month or working our asses off to PLEX?"
For customers: "Root of evil?" CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
438
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:15:00 -
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Giving away assets that have a market worth of billions of isk is wrong.
Giving away such assets in secret - is IA on this yet?
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1405
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:12:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:My position stands the same as in this thread and the other...
CCP can do anything they want to, the sandbox is inside their school yard, thus they can do what they want to it.
I'm not saying this was the best idea in the world.
Handing out unique ships and field trips...OK cool, using a for profit gambling website............a little questionable.
If SOMERblink didn't fund any in/out of game events, OK, horrible idea. BUT THEY DO!
So its not a horrible idea.
The only thing I didn't like about this situation, is that to enter you had to be registered on their site and drop some ISK. Which really isn't all that bad. You have to buy lottery tickets to get a chance at the millions.....same here!
SOMERblink should've taken all profits that weekend and bought PLEX, donated it to CPP for a charitable cause.
CCP should'nt have been all *hush hush* about the Scorps either.
This isn't comparable to the T20 scandal of years past, so please stop that! (Makes you look childish.)
You do realize that only quite young people use the word, 'childish' as an insult?
However you are right in a narrow sense, ie that CCP can do as they wish with their sandbox.
The risk they run of course, is that they may not have a sandbox if they hack off enough people.
Even shorter version, no subscribers = no sandbox.
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Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
216
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:53:00 -
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Not a word from CCP. Subscription cancelled. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
maGz
Chaos Reborn
19
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:00:00 -
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"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."
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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
96
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:13:00 -
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they've certainly been on point with locking threads. still no official response though... i guess they expect us to take the 'it's only worth 1 trit' excuse at face value |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
191
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:16:00 -
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You know, I'd be happy if CCP would at least respond and say WHY they thought this was a good idea. Just one simple, logical reason why this makes sense in EVE.
The only real answer I can imagine is that it makes CCP feel good about themselves. As in, "look what these players did with our sandbox. Here's a cookie!" Which then begs the question "but isn't it SUPPOSED to be a hands-off sandbox?"
Seriously, what other reason exists other than mastabatory self congratulation? It can't be "recognition for unique ways of using the sandbox" because it was kept secret. Likewise, how is it a good idea to reward insanely wealthy corps with more isk? How is that even a reward? Would the U.S. government give a huge stack of cash to Bill Gates because he's done so much to promote personal computing and job creation?
What's scary is that I know there are forum posters and CSMs that will read those above statements and find ways to defend them . . .
So, CCP: why on Bob's Green Earth did you think that this was necessary. And of course, the follow up question, that probably applies regardless of your answer: are you sure there wasn't a much, much better way to achieve that goal?
Just please don't tell me this was a social experiment to see how ass backwards you could handle a game that touts its sandbox nature, through openly vouching for certain corporations and secretly making others wealthy on your own private whims, all in an attempt to see how far you can change the game without sparking a mass exodus.
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
191
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:18:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:they've certainly been on point with locking threads the last few days. still no official response though... i guess they expect us to take the 'it's only worth 1 trit' excuse at face value pretty funny LackofFaith was the one to close the last thread... guess how some of us are feeling right about now. Oh. IB4L for discussing moderators
They probably believe it themselves. It's not like they've got an economist on staff to explain how goods can be exchanged on markets for currency and other--
--oh, wait. I am not an alt of Chribba. |
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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
96
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:22:00 -
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As such, this thread is locked for being redundant. Centralizing topics helps have a coherent discussion, and makes it easier for both players and CCP to keep up with it.
^
Since when do you centralize a topic by closing the thread discussing it and diverting posters to 2 different threads which have nothing to do with the issue in question? |
Tzu Wu
Interstellar Military Assistance Corporation SpaceMonkey's Alliance
18
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:23:00 -
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I can tell you the major reason they do idiotic things like this.Somer Blink brings them in cold hard cash.The people buying plex to play blink arent doing it with just isk you know.This is them secretly thanking them for bringing in sales of plex. |
Stoogie
Space Pygmies
126
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:28:00 -
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Reposted in this thread as the other one was locked
If you believe this is jealousy (and this really does explain the csm's reaction if they share this thought) Then at least in my case your wrong. This should not be happening to anyone giving out anything more than a plex or a free account is seriously game changing unless they've done something to earn it in game like win a tourny. I'm really sorry you feel this way and I think your missing the point.
This isn't about somer either but I'll use them as an example. If they now take the profits from selling these ships and from the lotteries from the other give aways they can potentially use hundreds of billions of isk (if not a trillion) to fund an alliance or a coalition and break the balance of eve online. While this is content creation and would be good for the game in the long run it is unfair that ccp has anything to do with this.
I'm not a member of one of the big coalitions I'm just a scrub in a lowsec corp atm. This won't effect me in a really big way but its not fair or part of the sandbox that ccp should be affecting it like this. People need to work hard in game for in game benefits. If they want to support these sites then give them out of game loot, Support for running their servers or a special non sellable item which can't be transferred or a in game medal which means they have some bragging power not some game changing items.
Do ccp have a PR guy because any decent one would tear his or her hair out at a company not looking at us and wondering maybe they might get annoyed. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
192
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:38:00 -
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Tzu Wu wrote:I can tell you the major reason they do idiotic things like this.Somer Blink brings them in cold hard cash.The people buying plex to play blink arent doing it with just isk you know.This is them secretly thanking them for bringing in sales of plex.
Well, they can consider me unsubbed, both accounts. Uninstalling to avoiding wondering if I should be playing the "skill queue" game while my remaining time runs out.
Came to this game because I wanted less theme park asshattery, stayed because CCP seemed to have their **** together. Now, meh. I'll content myself with WoT and LoL until someone crafts a niche MMORPG and manages to keep their head out of their ass. I am not an alt of Chribba. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2405
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:14:00 -
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And so the great forum purging begins, moving threads to their death in subforums, locking threads and pointing the discussion to random, completely unrelated threads, etc |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:15:00 -
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In response to my locked post I was once again directed to this post, saying that, contrary to my statements that there was still no new word regarding the secret ship giveaway, this was the place to look. On the contrary, still nothing new. Just a completely irrelevant original post about another CCP/SOMER mashup gone wrong. Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened. |
John Tomplin
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:18:00 -
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Does anyone know if Somer has contributed to the FIction contests in previous years? what other stuff do they do for the community?
CCP has made a final decision and ranting is not productive. They have been pretty clear. Im not sucking up just talking business. Rant time is over. Take some deep breaths and lets think about what can be improved |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:19:00 -
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Quote: niche MMORPG and manages to keep their head out of their ass.
You can wait a thousand years and it won't happen, no one likes losing money. |
Five Finger Army
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:26:00 -
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John Tomplin wrote: CCP has made a final decision and ranting is not productive. They have been pretty clear. Im not sucking up just talking business. Rant time is over. Take some deep breaths and lets think about what can be improved
Yeah - I totally agree - unfortunately they seem to overreact - CCP should absolutely break down any resistance opposing somer blink.
Somer Blink is great - no discussion about that.
However, locking constructive proposals for similary great future CCP/community joint-vemtures is beyond me.
Can I sue them if they start making business with my idea on their own? |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
195
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:44:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Quote: niche MMORPG and manages to keep their head out of their ass. You can wait a thousand years and it won't happen, no one likes losing money.
If this decision somehow made a concrete difference in their bottom line, and was the best way to do it, that might make sense. But it's not, so it doesn't.
But yeah, it does appear CCP has chosen this as their new policy for inexplicable reasons. Not always an easy decision to walk away from an investment in any MMO, but they did make this a little easier.
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
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John Tomplin
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:00:00 -
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Five Finger Army wrote : (I had to read several posts of yours to get the sense of humour intended, so I assume that it is sardonic in its tone...) Yeah - I totally agree - unfortunately they seem to overreact - CCP should absolutely break down any resistance opposing somer blink.
Somer Blink is great - no discussion about that.
However, locking constructive proposals for similary great future CCP/community joint-vemtures is beyond me.
Can I sue them if they start making business with my idea on their own?
what do you mean though? |
Five Finger Army
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:26:00 -
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John Tomplin wrote: what do you mean though?
Considering all recent rewards went out to Somer, I concluded CCP hold gambling in an exceptionally high regard compared to tools like Evemon or EFT.
Since they apparently support gambling sites the most, I researched the most commonly associated businesses and concluded they'd be interested in a drug-selling site. Drugs are illegal, so the next best thing would be prostitution and thought they'd probably be interested in an eve associated adult video and prostitution site.
I kindly posted the proposal and the thread was locked for trolling.
I don't get it - compared to Gambling, which is a scam by it's very nature (at least if run profitably), prostitution and **** are fair deals, so I can't see why they wouldn't support my project with a couple of ishukone scorpions or unique SOE ships to start me off.
My offer was less immoral than CCPs favourite community site (and I LOVE SOMER), so I don't see the reaon for not supporting my project. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
420
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:44:00 -
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Stoogie wrote:Reposted in this thread as the other one was locked
If you believe this is jealousy (and this really does explain the csm's reaction if they share this thought) Then at least in my case your wrong. This should not be happening to anyone giving out anything more than a plex or a free account is seriously game changing unless they've done something to earn it in game like win a tourny. I'm really sorry you feel this way and I think your missing the point.
This isn't about somer either but I'll use them as an example. If they now take the profits from selling these ships and from the lotteries from the other give aways they can potentially use hundreds of billions of isk (if not a trillion) to fund an alliance or a coalition and break the balance of eve online. While this is content creation and would be good for the game in the long run it is unfair that ccp has anything to do with this.
I'm not a member of one of the big coalitions I'm just a scrub in a lowsec corp atm. This won't effect me in a really big way but its not fair or part of the sandbox that ccp should be affecting it like this. People need to work hard in game for in game benefits. If they want to support these sites then give them out of game loot, Support for running their servers or a special non sellable item which can't be transferred or a in game medal which means they have some bragging power not some game changing items.
Do ccp have a PR guy because any decent one would tear his or her hair out at a company not looking at us and wondering maybe they might get annoyed.
Did you know that a single incursion community has an income of 114 Billion isk a day. In less than a week, a single incursion community makes the scale of money you are talking about here. And that isn't counting the value of the LP involved. Null sec alliances will be turning even more isk over every single day from all the ratters running anoms, not counting moon goo, PI, or any other non instant isk source.
A Trillion isk will not significantly affect the meta of the entire game. It may provide a smaller group a nice bump to grow a bit. But in the grand scheme of things, 1000 rifters (Quoth Marlona's flight except that was more than 1000) is several billion. 1000 battleships = 200 Billion. So it's not like it's 1000 titans or anything that crazy. I recognise it's a significant amount of isk, 'IF' and that is a BIG if, they converted every single ship into pure isk. And most of them didn't keep them as spinning hanger queens.
Complaining about the isk is pointless, because it's purely theoretical isk for a start, that requires conversion at those prices which certainly isn't going to happen now people know they aren't that rare. And the isk is small change in the grand 500,000 account economy of EVE.
What is of relevance is setting up a better program to go forward with that lets players know about occurrences in a theoretically unbiased manner (i.e. Tinfoil hat brigade can always claim bias, but if on paper it isn't biased that's a good start at least) |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1351
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:17:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:A Trillion isk will not significantly affect the meta of the entire game.
You are unequivocally wrong. A trillion isk is a significant enough sum to possibly shape the course of major events.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
420
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:25:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:A Trillion isk will not significantly affect the meta of the entire game. You are unequivocally wrong. A trillion isk is a significant enough sum to possibly shape the course of major events. Please provide some basis for this assertion. Simply asserting it doesn't make it true, and the scale of the EVE economy is significantly larger than that. If you can show a basis for it, I'm happy to reconsider. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1351
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:32:00 -
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1 trillion isk could conservatively cover a major alliance srp, excluding supercapitals, through 2-4 months of fullscale bloc warfare, which is the average length of such engagements. For 500b a month you could run a medium size nullsec alliance just for ***** and/or giggles.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
420
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:09:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:1 trillion isk could conservatively cover a major alliance srp, excluding supercapitals, through 2-4 months of fullscale bloc warfare, which is the average length of such engagements. For 500b a month you could run a medium size nullsec alliance just for ***** and/or giggles.
But they already have the SRP in said major alliances. You could run a medium size alliance, after you build it sure. For.... Two months. I don't see how a medium size alliance for a brief period of time would actually create a significant shift in the game. Nor would it simply happen because you have the isk. You would have to put a lot of hard work in regardless. Which would be the real thing. The isk is just convenience initially, but for the amount of work to make an alliance work, you could easily have earned that isk anyway. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1354
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:10:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:1 trillion isk could conservatively cover a major alliance srp, excluding supercapitals, through 2-4 months of fullscale bloc warfare, which is the average length of such engagements. For 500b a month you could run a medium size nullsec alliance just for ***** and/or giggles.
But they already have the SRP in said major alliances. You could run a medium size alliance, after you build it sure. For.... Two months. I don't see how a medium size alliance for a brief period of time would actually create a significant shift in the game. Nor would it simply happen because you have the isk. You would have to put a lot of hard work in regardless. Which would be the real thing. The isk is just convenience initially, but for the amount of work to make an alliance work, you could easily have earned that isk anyway.
Your post is nonsense...actually your posts in general are nonsense, you should stop.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
420
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:17:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:1 trillion isk could conservatively cover a major alliance srp, excluding supercapitals, through 2-4 months of fullscale bloc warfare, which is the average length of such engagements. For 500b a month you could run a medium size nullsec alliance just for ***** and/or giggles.
But they already have the SRP in said major alliances. You could run a medium size alliance, after you build it sure. For.... Two months. I don't see how a medium size alliance for a brief period of time would actually create a significant shift in the game. Nor would it simply happen because you have the isk. You would have to put a lot of hard work in regardless. Which would be the real thing. The isk is just convenience initially, but for the amount of work to make an alliance work, you could easily have earned that isk anyway. Your post is nonsense...actually your posts in general are nonsense, you should stop. Yes.... Because pointing out that your points A: Are already existing so don't actually change the current meta. B: That the isk doesn't magically create an alliance to change the current meta & that the work involved in doing so would be more significant than that needed to earn the isk yourself is nonsense. Feel free to keep going though. You are just making my point better so far. That the isk value isn't relevant to the actual problems. And it is the communication issue that is the real problem that needs solving. As with that solved, the Isk value would be dramatically smaller anyway |
Shad Duken
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:22:00 -
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Just to clarify the actual point here:
Is it about the money, or isn't it?
A lot of people are arguing that it isn't, it's about the secrecy in which the ships were handed out and that the items in themselves aren't the problem.
Other people are commenting that it's all about the isk and that the amount of isk these ships could generate could unduly influence the game's economy, or the events in-game (by the liquid isk injection of 500b - btw, a lot of people are now talking about 1t. It was 450b-600b, which is a still not inconsiderable amount of wealth that could affect certain events).
The first point - the secrecy - is something we can speculate on to our heart's content because as yet we have no facts regarding any CCP "complicity". Until I see their response, I'll hold my remarks.
As to the second point - the isk - this needs to be broken further down, I think.
Collectors losing isk: interestingly, the most hurt by this mail being leaked at an immediate stage are the collectors. If the mail hadn't been leaked, the prices would likely have remained at the level they are, or higher as the ships were destroyed. If CCP had already confirmed they were going to be given out, then as some have said, they speculated and have lost.
Redistribution of wealth: 450b hasn't appeared out of thin air. 450b has moved from the hands of collectors to 30 people who had ships appear as they did to the other 90ish people they were given to (or more maybe depending on how you read the comment that they've been given out before). This isk movement is simply that - redistribution of wealth.
Null/Bloc/FW could be affected by 450b: Yes, it could. Of course 450b would make an enormous difference with the most recent TEST/CFC war being a great example of how things could've turned. Of course, this is a fallacy unless SOMER employ only from one corp/alliance/FW faction. They don't (or they certainly don't appear to) as they advertise on their site for employees and limit the selection only to people who play blink from what I can gather. 15-20b per person is still a hell of a lot of isk, but it's not game-breaking as some people seem to be suggesting.
My point? As Jessie J would say, "It's not about the money, money, money...." |
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