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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1355
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:33:00 -
[811] - Quote
No, you suggested that the value was generally meaningless. I showed that it is far from that. The rest is just you being irrevocably stupid.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:53:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:And so the great forum purging begins, moving threads to their death in subforums, locking threads and pointing the discussion to random, completely unrelated threads, etc
CCP has started and is in Damage Control. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
421
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:22:00 -
[813] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:No, you suggested that the value was generally meaningless. I showed that it is far from that. The rest is just you being irrevocably stupid. Congratulations on reading comprehension fails, given I directly stated it was a significant amount. Just not enough to affect the entire games meta. Simply slinging insults & ad hominem attacks do not make you any more correct. Nor have you provided any evidence to say it will affect the meta in any significant matter. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
440
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Posted - 2013.10.09 03:20:00 -
[814] - Quote
CCP Response WiP: Soon CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
175
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:31:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:So it has been a day of reading up on your comments throughout the forums and social media and I appreciate that many of you have been rational and reasoned in your views. As a result, we have looked at the situation and we will make some pretty significant changes to this prize structure which still allows players to gain something truly amazing but does not impact the overall history of EVE Online. Since I made my first post as a FAQ, I will continue that pattern and explain a little about the decision process. Q1, So what are these changes you are talking about and why change it at all?A1, Let me address the second question first. We grossly underestimated the impact of these historical legacy ships and how they would impact players, especially those who have been in our universe for close to a decade or more. We have taken this feedback on board and will amend the prize structure accordingly. The two prize items which really caused the most vocal dissent were the Gold Magnate and Guardian Vexor, a total of 5 ships. We have decided to remove these as prizes and replace them with a different option. During the live presentation of our winter expansion announcement on Thursday, September 26 at 20:00 UTC we will be unveiling what players can expect to see with this release. Part of the expansion involves new models coming for everyone in the shape of a new cruiser and frigate. I will not elaborate on what they are just now but you can see them in all of their glory by watching our Twitch stream. What we will offer players as an alternative is as follows: GÇó Prize 1 (previously a Gold Magnate) will now become the option of either [a unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin] or [an all-expense paid trip to Fanfest 2014] GÇó Prize 2 (previously a Gold Magnate) will now become the option of either [the unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin] or [an all-expense paid trip to Fanfest 2014] GÇó Prize 3 (previously a Guardian Vexor) will now become [the unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin] GÇó Prize 3 (previously a Guardian Vexor) will now become [the unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin] GÇó Prize 3 (previously a Guardian Vexor) will now become [the unique variant of the new cruiser with enhanced stats and a different skin] These new cruisers will be unique assets that will be owned only by these players. We will not give these out again. Q2, I still donGÇÖt get it. Why a third party to give this stuff away?A2, Growing community initiatives is something which is very important to us. Some of our fansites and third party outlets have 10 followers while others have tens of thousands. What we want to do is look at opportunities to foster goodwill with a range of sites and allow situations where we can support them and help them grow. As a result, we will be looking at putting a process in place which allows individual sites to run promotions which are sponsored by CCP. This may not always be unique ships or Fanfest trips but could be some signed artwork to give away or PLEX to hand out. We have looked at this as a trial version of a program we would like to develop over time. In this instance, we jumped the gun and went too far. Q3, How do we know we can trust Fansites and third parties to operate fairly and independently?A3, We have worked with a lot of third party sites in the past such as EVE Radio, BIG Lottery and SOMER Blink. These entities (and others of course) have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged. Q4, So will you move all valuable in-game giveaways internally now?A4, We want to address this in our upcoming process discussion surrounding 3rd party sponsorship. We want to provide as much support for our community as possible, and one of the most meaningful ways to do that is with special, rare or limited edition items on Tranquility. We need to investigate whether that approach is ultimately positive for EVE before we make a decision about whether future item giveaways should be done only directly from CCP. Many thanks for all of your patience during this time and we hope this explains some of our thinking. We would also like to address the role of SOMER Blink in this change. They have had three years of constantly delivering on every blink, blast and bonk they have organized. Clearly, this is going to change in this circumstance and this is not their fault in the slightest. We are aware players have played blinks to get involved in the lottery and there is nothing we can do to reverse those transactions. We believe the replacement prizes are of such a high value as to be equal compensation.
These are some well thought changes and plans; however, this changes nothing about what CCP has already done. My question is if you are truly sincere in your convictions would it not be wise to rescind the prizes you have given out through haste actions and let them get them through the new methods instead?
Allowing these individuals to retain these special scorpions basically keeps the insult on the rest of the eve community alive. If you truly wish to engage in damage control this is the more viable option. If you allow them to keep them its a bit like putting a band-aid on a broken arm. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2414
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:09:00 -
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Still waiting for them to address the fact that the third party excludes paying subscribers at their discretion, people who should have been allowed to partake in these lotteries weren't allowed to because somer has their own special (unjustifiable, but good for their little business) rules
and also that somer actually did require people to pay in order to play |
Prince Kobol
1023
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:44:00 -
[817] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:Still waiting for them to address the fact that the third party excludes paying subscribers at their discretion, people who should have been allowed to partake in these lotteries weren't allowed to because somer has their own special (unjustifiable, but good for their little business) rules
and also that somer actually did require people to pay in order to play
Its pretty simple why people have been banned.
Somerblink is a site which is heavily targeted by bots and people trying to scam them, which is no surprise due to them paying out in isk.
They use a number of automated tools, like most other sites of this nature, to catch those people.
Some times it gets it wrong.
Also if multiple accounts are accessing the site from the same IP then they are also most likely to get banned.
If you believe you were wrongly banned then simply contact there help channel.
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Shai 'Hulud
50
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:04:00 -
[818] - Quote
http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/personality-analysis/
I can't find an input combination that results in "Dev's friend" for a career path. Perhaps it is bugged? All the sand has blown away... now it's just a box. |
Baron vonDoom
Scorn.
81
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Posted - 2013.10.10 00:31:00 -
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The real problem is selective favouritism of a select group that is the least deserving twice in a row.
Somer is a self-serving group feeding on the braindead - I just looked at the site for the first time and it's so obviously set up for scamming the hell out of dumb people without any grasp of statistcs, leaving me surprised of how many genuinely stupid people are playing this game.
CCP could have easily snuck their personal gift initiative past me by giving it to really deserving people like Chribba, Ceators of Evemon or EFT, but no - they gave it to an immoral slot-machine site - twice in a row. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1371
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:22:00 -
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Seems this thread is still active and stickied while the first actual response from CCP has not been. It can be found here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=284991
On page 1, I lay out a summary of many of the concerns. I also show CCP a solution that actually recently worked for a major US corporation that was also in the middle of a major PR disaster.
It is not about positioning. It is about being honest and acting in good faith. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
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Kalindra Chan
The Omega Directive
0
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:31:00 -
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I wont go into detail because most points have been covered so far:
Giving a In-Game entitiy the posibility to earn In-Game currency without either doing a) In-Game activity or b) buying PLEX and turn them into In-Game currency is wrong. I dont care that much about the value of those unique ships given to Somer blink, what i care is the In-Game money they make every second without having to do any In-Game activity for it. If they had to use the Eve Online client to do their scam like the scammers in Jita, etc. do, then it would still be wrong but not against your EULA! And no, using the In-Game browser accessing Somer blinks website is not my idea of using the Eve client...
You smack any Eve player in the face, wether it is a solo player or the biggest alliances who actually have to "play" the game to make money.
I am going to point out what is going to happen if you let Somer blink continue their "NOT-In-Game business"... I will stop playing Eve Online and cancel my accounts and i guess and hope that many other Eve Players will too! |
Prince Kobol
1030
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Posted - 2013.10.10 11:04:00 -
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Kalindra Chan wrote:I wont go into detail because most points have been covered so far:
Giving a In-Game entitiy the posibility to earn In-Game currency without either doing a) In-Game activity or b) buying PLEX and turn them into In-Game currency is wrong. I dont care that much about the value of those unique ships given to Somer blink, what i care is the In-Game money they make every second without having to do any In-Game activity for it. If they had to use the Eve Online client to do their scam like the scammers in Jita, etc. do, then it would still be wrong but not against your EULA! And no, using the In-Game browser accessing Somer blinks website is not my idea of using the Eve client...
You smack any Eve player in the face, wether it is a solo player or the biggest alliances who actually have to "play" the game to make money.
I am going to point out what is going to happen if you let Somer blink continue their "NOT-In-Game business"... I will stop playing Eve Online and cancel my accounts and i guess and hope that many other Eve Players will too!
I forgot to add... acutally i am glad this incident with those free ships happend, because before that i didnt know about Somer blinks website, what they are doing and that it is not only allowed by you CCP but encouraged and sponsored!
Another do what I say or I quit post..
Bye Bye |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
221
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:07:00 -
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As I posted elsewhere:
"This is a really unique thing CCP is doing that doesn't directly map to anything they have done in the past, and we don't want to mess up that future relationship."
That quote from Somer himself, combined with the clearly pro-somer response of the devs in these threads raises serious questions about conflicts of interest. What is the future "relationship" that they are hoping for? |
Miss Ladybird
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:10:00 -
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I read the OP and it ignores the glaring issues.
People hate it that SomberBlink was given hundreds of billions in assets, spawned by ccp, because:
1) It is filthy rich as it is, and at their punters expense as they are glorified scam artists
2) People dont see how SomerBlink does good for the community, it is ONLINE GAMBLING, they rip people off and rake in their isk hand over fist. People lose billions on there that they could be enjoying in game. Nobody with half a brain likes their service or considers it altruistic.
3) What they provide IS NOT CONTENT.
4) They dont need 'support' or 'help' from CCP employers that have meddling hands and cant pry themselves from injecting freee assets into the game
5) SomerBlink keeps being held out to be a great institution and community hub. LOL it isnt at all this is total garbage. If you believe this you may as well believe in fairys.
This uproar is not just because we are unhappy, it is because we cannot stomach this constant stream of insults to our intelligence. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4820
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:51:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:It is not about positioning. It is about being honest and acting in good faith. It's all about posturing and insisting the other side is dumb because 1 trit. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4820
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:52:00 -
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Miss Ladybird wrote:5) SomerBlink keeps being held out to be a great institution and community hub. LOL it isnt at all this is total garbage. If you believe this you may as well believe in fairys. Has ccp told me the faeries "have demonstrated a solid history of trust and reliability. As a result, we can verify that they have been straight and true in their dealings and this should be encouraged." There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
GORNASHA
LightningStrikesTwice Elemental Tide
8
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:25:00 -
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ok...I've read through over 40 pages of comments and queries and I have just one question to ask.
why is there no official response to over 40 pages of comments regarding their actions with Somer Blink and the prizes donated?
(I counted only 2 official responses and they where both to remove non forum related posts - so we know they are reading these posts but are not replying)
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
295
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Posted - 2013.10.12 14:33:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wow.
More goon tears. GÖ½
This keeps coming up and I am not sure why. First, look around, there are a lot of non-goons here. But, for the record, if being clear thinking and intelligent enough to see an obvious breach of business ethics when it happens makes you a goon.
I am a goon.
If seeing an obvious RMT profit making scheme for what it is and understanding that CCP shouldn't be getting in bed with or supporting and endorsing the entity responsible makes you a goon.
I am a goon.
If seeing that an explanation that involves telling me that you like SOMERblink because they hand out lots of isk is a form of influence peddling makes me a goon.
Then yes,
I am a goon!
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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
233
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Posted - 2013.10.12 15:45:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wow.
More goon tears. GÖ½ This keeps coming up and I am not sure why. First, look around, there are a lot of non-goons here. But, for the record, if being clear thinking and intelligent enough to see an obvious breach of business ethics when it happens makes you a goon. I am a goon.If seeing an obvious RMT profit making scheme for what it is and understanding that CCP shouldn't be getting in bed with or supporting and endorsing the entity responsible makes you a goon. I am a goon.If seeing that an explanation that involves telling me that you like SOMERblink because they hand out lots of isk is a form of influence peddling makes me a goon. Then yes, I am a goon!
As much as I hate to say it. I GUESS " I AM A GOON "
Damit Argus I hate you for exposing who I am |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
20
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Posted - 2013.10.12 17:32:00 -
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After seeing how CCP cooperates with corporations that "add value to the game" I'd like to register my corp on this whitelist of CCPs so that I may "better help the community" by using Basilisk BPOs, new SOE ship BPOs, and an Etana BPO to "further advance the community". |
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
299
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Posted - 2013.10.12 17:46:00 -
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DNSBLACK wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wow.
More goon tears. GÖ½ This keeps coming up and I am not sure why. First, look around, there are a lot of non-goons here. But, for the record, if being clear thinking and intelligent enough to see an obvious breach of business ethics when it happens makes you a goon. I am a goon.If seeing an obvious RMT profit making scheme for what it is and understanding that CCP shouldn't be getting in bed with or supporting and endorsing the entity responsible makes you a goon. I am a goon.If seeing that an explanation that involves telling me that you like SOMERblink because they hand out lots of isk is a form of influence peddling makes me a goon. Then yes, I am a goon! Now tell the Mittani to send me my t-shirt and membership card. As much as I hate to say it. I GUESS " I AM A GOON " Damit Argus I hate you for exposing who I am
Now where is my membership card Mittens! |
Miss Ladybird
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.10.13 00:05:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Please may I have an update.
- Is SOMERblink still operating its 'free 200m isk with every GTC' RMT business?
- Does SOMERblink still have the hundreds of billions in unique iscorps you spawned and gave them that everyone is so unhappy about?
Let me see so far you have done nothing. You are virtually ignoring every one of the hundreds of feedback posts, and the comments you have made are totally without substance. And you have committed to talk about this at the 'winter summit'?
Why should the entire player base be held to ransom all because you are desperately trying to ward off any negative outcomes for SOMERblink the richest entity in eve, which is hardly a step better than a Jita scammer?
Cheers,
Miss Ladybird
EDIT
Have you gotten round to skyping SOMER yet? I know you have a close relationship with him I just wondered what secretive communications you are involved in right now.
You are currently being seen to be ignoring nearly all of us, commenting hardly at all, so presumably you are doing something or speaking to someone? |
AayJay Crendraven
Dakka Unlimited
1
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:26:00 -
[833] - Quote
Miss Ladybird wrote:
-snip-
Have you gotten round to skyping SOMER yet? I know you have a close relationship with him I just wondered what secretive communications you are involved in right now.
You are currently being seen to be ignoring nearly all of us, commenting hardly at all, so presumably you are doing something or speaking to someone?
if by "something" you mean Mintchip.... then yes. |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:54:00 -
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CCP has ZERO integrity/credibility.
The only real question is did they ever "actually" have any integrity or have they just been trolling us the entire time post Wrangler, T20, Incarna and now SOMER RMT support.
Not looking through rose colored glasses it is clear that the greed is good faction has won in the boardroom.
Welcome to the new EACCP. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4867
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:21:00 -
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Miss Ladybird wrote:Dear CCP, Please may I have an update.
- Is SOMERblink still operating its 'free 200m isk with every GTC' RMT business?
- Does SOMERblink still have the hundreds of billions in unique iscorps you spawned and gave them that everyone is so unhappy about?
Let me see so far you have done nothing. You are virtually ignoring every one of the hundreds of feedback posts, and the comments you have made are totally without substance. And you have committed to talk about this at the 'winter summit'? Why should the entire player base be held to ransom all because you are desperately trying to ward off any negative outcomes for SOMERblink the richest entity in eve, which is hardly a step better than a Jita scammer? Cheers, Miss Ladybird EDITHave you gotten round to skyping SOMER yet? I know you have a close relationship with him I just wondered what secretive communications you are involved in right now. You are currently being seen to be ignoring nearly all of us, commenting hardly at all, so presumably you are doing something or speaking to someone? they should use skype, it's a bit harder to leak There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Skill Training Online
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2013.10.21 04:18:00 -
[836] - Quote
Has this issue died without resolution? Thank You Obama! |
Maliandra
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes? They won't. |
Xeen Du'Wang
Knights of the Black Watch
30
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Posted - 2013.10.22 11:08:00 -
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Hmmm, I think there has been some posts deleted from this thread..........
Still awaiting and apology from Hellmar and 6 months of subscriptions for everyone to prove he is sincere. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2518
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:48:00 -
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Miss Ladybird wrote:Dear CCP, Please may I have an update.
- Is SOMERblink still operating its 'free 200m isk with every GTC' RMT business?
- Does SOMERblink still have the hundreds of billions in unique iscorps you spawned and gave them that everyone is so unhappy about?
Let me see so far you have done nothing. You are virtually ignoring every one of the hundreds of feedback posts, and the comments you have made are totally without substance. And you have committed to talk about this at the 'winter summit'? Why should the entire player base be held to ransom all because you are desperately trying to ward off any negative outcomes for SOMERblink the richest entity in eve, which is hardly a step better than a Jita scammer? Cheers, Miss Ladybird EDITHave you gotten round to skyping SOMER yet? I know you have a close relationship with him I just wondered what secretive communications you are involved in right now. You are currently being seen to be ignoring nearly all of us, commenting hardly at all, so presumably you are doing something or speaking to someone?
CCP are playing the "do nothing to address the serious, horrific events and hope players forget"
Directly promoting a form of RMT Directly spawning hundreds of billions for an in-game, competitive, for-profit organisation Directly boosting the "business" of that in-game, competitive, for profit organisation via unjustifiable claims about their integrity and by giving them special items Allowing a third party, at their discretion, to ban paying subscribers from events and new content (e.g. same IPs are banned from somer) etc
Well I tell you what CCP, I will forget. I'll forget to re-up my subscriptions |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.10.22 16:38:00 -
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CCP has no credibility concerning this issue and is not being accountable to the players.
EA style arrogance on full display so soon after the new hires....shocking I tell you..just shocking.... |
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