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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
307
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:49:00 -
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I would still like a satisfactory explanation for the following:
1. Why was the CSM left completely out of the loop on this?
2. Why exactly has SOMER been handed a huge fortune?
3. Exactly how trust worthy is an organisation that feels it has the right to use its customers private details against them in a public thread?
Andrev Nox wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.
Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site? Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :)
Original post.
I'm no fan of Poe but that is just wrong. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:49:00 -
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The only difference between somer and the ISK-doubling scam is that the odds are worse. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:50:00 -
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Cavalira wrote:Please. Someone enlighten me on the following topic:
Secretly spawning t2 bpos for BoB vs. Officially giving Somer blink items
Telling people you're doing it doesn't make it any different. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8954
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:50:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Aryth wrote:Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development. What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps?
The prizes they're donating are pitiful in contrast to what they'll gain from this promotion. They're giving 200M in blink credit to everyone that participates in the EVE Vegas PvP tournament, and 1B blink credit + PLEX to the winners. EVE Vegas is not even remotely a Fanfest-sized player gathering, and not everyone that will attend will participate in the PvP tournament. We're talking about trillions of ISK in exchange for a few PLEX and blink credits given to a handful of people. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
43
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:50:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Also, as someone who does not use somer blink, how do I get a chance at these giveaways? You can register and play a free promo blink which happen often and get an entry. So I have to hand over my information to Somer? And I reward him and his website with more hits for his advertisers? Everyone is focusing on in game rewards for him, but few have considered the RL rewards he'll be reaping. Don't forget that's one entry, which is quite useless to begin with, and possibly 100% pointless because the whole thing might be rigged from somers end. And what you should forget is that Somer will get a trillion isk out of this whole thing. But hey, at least they don't get YOUR isk so just you should be cool about the whole thing. You know... :CCP: |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:51:00 -
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Zaxix wrote: Where's my Black Frog Special Edition Rhea
+1
The Frogs (black/red/etc) work *for* the eve players. Hundreds and hundreds of people *helped* every single day, removing an otherwise incredibly tedious aspect of the gameplay.
Lotteries work at the *expense* of players, skimming 15-50% off the top as profit.
If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd think they subsidize SOMER Blink because as people lose all their ISK, they buy more PLEX which is direct cash into the hands of CCP.
Thank goodness I don't believe the above sentence and I'm not a conspiracy theorist. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4684
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:51:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Cavalira wrote:Please. Someone enlighten me on the following topic:
Secretly spawning t2 bpos for BoB vs. Officially giving Somer blink items Telling people you're doing it doesn't make it any different. Specifying the proceeds are to be given away as tournament prizes does. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1087
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:51:00 -
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sounds like a good solution as long as you continue to give out unique items to other community projects to give away in whatever way they choose We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2101
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:52:00 -
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Well you've finally driven me to being one of "those guys" CCP. Congratulations
-2 subscriptions.
I see no sodding point in playing a game where the developers of the game unfairly favour and reward certain players/groups, handing them colossal advantages and making it that much harder for anyone else to compete with them.
To quote a modern day poet: c ya later shitlords |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
43
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:52:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Aryth wrote:Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development. What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? No way to know if they are giving away all the profits. No way to know if the lottery if fair. And so on. Like has been said a few dozen times. |
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BLerchg
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:53:00 -
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i really hope that the CSM rips you a new one for showing this kind of blatant favorism |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:53:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Innominate wrote:Cavalira wrote:Please. Someone enlighten me on the following topic:
Secretly spawning t2 bpos for BoB vs. Officially giving Somer blink items Telling people you're doing it doesn't make it any different. Specifying the proceeds are to be given away as tournament prizes does.
Why not skip the unreliable for-profit middleman and give them away as tournament prizes? |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
208
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:54:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Innominate wrote:Cavalira wrote:Please. Someone enlighten me on the following topic:
Secretly spawning t2 bpos for BoB vs. Officially giving Somer blink items Telling people you're doing it doesn't make it any different. Specifying the proceeds are to be given away as tournament prizes does. Cool, maybe Eve bank should run the next tournament. They're another trusted third party, right? If ccp runs the tournament fine. This, no. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4684
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:54:00 -
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Abernie wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Aryth wrote:Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development. What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? No way to know if they are giving away all the profits. No way to know if the lottery if fair. And so on. Like has been said a few dozen times. Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
43
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:54:00 -
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BLerchg wrote:i really hope that the CSM rips you a new one for showing this kind of blatant favorism Speaking of which, anyone know if CSM is getting a statement together about this whole thing? There was mentions of talks in CSM member posts but that's all I know. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
270
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:55:00 -
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You've reviewed our concerns and decided to keep playing favorites with the promise of more favoritism in the future. This stinks CCP - why exactly should I bother taking space or grinding boring PVE when buttering up CCP developers is clearly the best path to untold riches? |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:56:00 -
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Gospadin wrote:0.00000001% of the eve population care that you changed what ships you're giving away.
90% of the eve population care that CCP is funneling isk to a player corporation.
Why not just shuffle moon minerals around to favor TEST while you're at it?
Can't mine high sec moons FYI, so Test are immune from that sort of help.
But giving all the goodies to Somer Blink? What the hell are you thinking? Why don't you add them to the eve and aurum store like blizzard do with their magic sparkle ponies, it would go down just as well with your playerbase. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4685
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:56:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Innominate wrote:Cavalira wrote:Please. Someone enlighten me on the following topic:
Secretly spawning t2 bpos for BoB vs. Officially giving Somer blink items Telling people you're doing it doesn't make it any different. Specifying the proceeds are to be given away as tournament prizes does. Why not skip the unreliable for-profit middleman and give them away as tournament prizes?
Apparently CCP feels they are reliable. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
32165
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:56:00 -
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You said something about new cruisers this winter?
Nothing else matters for me.... Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:56:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Aryth wrote:Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development. What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? Donating means giving your own money to something. If they take other players money and give to some cause, its not donating. And if you look at how much they plan to "donate" and apply simple math and count how much they earned from this spike because of this development, you will see that profit is much larger than donation.
Dissapointed by that decision. This is just half-assed measures in order to calm the **** storm they caused by their own poor judgement.
PS. and dont compare Eve Radio to this casino thing. They are actually providing fan service and their primary goal is not making profit but to have fun. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
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Seismic Stan
414
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:57:00 -
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I'm not entirely convinced the issue has been satisfactorily addressed, but I've got a Twitch stream to watch... EVE Online: The Text Adventure --áGameSkinny Columnist - Freebooted --áTech 4 News |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
213
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:57:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Innominate wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Innominate wrote:Cavalira wrote:Please. Someone enlighten me on the following topic:
Secretly spawning t2 bpos for BoB vs. Officially giving Somer blink items Telling people you're doing it doesn't make it any different. Specifying the proceeds are to be given away as tournament prizes does. Why not skip the unreliable for-profit middleman and give them away as tournament prizes? Apparently CCP feels they are reliable. And CCP felt $1000 jeans were a good idea too. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8961
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:57:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/n72XLyb.png
Does this clear up doubt about this deal being hilariously beneficial for Somer?
You may see that exact same graph on their website under "Statistics." I'm sure Somer will enjoy raking at least twice the ISK he would otherwise make during the same time period, plus his kickbacks from Markee Dragon, in exchange for acting as a middleman for CCP and giving some dudes in Vegas some petty prizes. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
46
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:58:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Abernie wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Aryth wrote:Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development. What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? No way to know if they are giving away all the profits. No way to know if the lottery if fair. And so on. Like has been said a few dozen times. Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters. CCP has believed many things. Incarna being a good thing for the game was one of them. $60 monocles were another. T2 lotteries were yet another. So... Yea... |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:58:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:First :)
It-¦s not that the discussion is going on for half a day. And this is all that the CSM had to say? |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
46
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:http://i.imgur.com/n72XLyb.png
Does this clear up doubt about this deal being hilariously beneficial for Somer?
You may see that exact same graph on their website under "Statistics." I'm sure Somer will enjoy raking at least twice the ISK he would otherwise make during the same time period, plus his kickbacks from Markee Dragon, in exchange for acting as a middleman for CCP and giving some dudes in Vegas some petty prizes. oh but they are totally giving it all away man. It's cool!
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Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
285
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:59:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters.
CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future.
From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
409
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:59:00 -
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I find this an acceptable compromise for this particular event.
In the future, you should do these events yourself.
Advertise through the community sites using plex prizes as incentives leading up to the event itself.
I don't think it reasonable (nor in anyones best interests) to expect you NOT to give things away to private parties. But how and how much should be where we want to think carefully. |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
46
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:59:00 -
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Samillian wrote:I would still like a satisfactory explanation for the following: 1. Why was the CSM left completely out of the loop on this? 2. Why exactly has SOMER been handed a huge fortune? 3. Exactly how trust worthy is an organisation that feels it has the right to use its customers private details against them in a public thread? Andrev Nox wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.
Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site? Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :) Original post.I'm no fan of Poe but that is just wrong.
Missed this one. Good questions. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4922
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:00:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters. CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future. From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next. also navigator didn't actually bother to check if they'd been honest in the past |
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