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Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:54:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
Ms Hanaya,
thank you for your question. Her Grace has asked me to provide you with a copy of GÇ£Elementary Civic Education for Boys and GirlsGÇ¥ written by Catiz Akurani, where you will find that the terms Amarr and Khanid are not mutually exclusive.
An Amarrian can be Khanid, and a Khanid can be Amarrian, although both conditions are bound to certain preconditions, which are legally defined by being listed in the Book of Records. Thus being Amarrian, as defined by religious, legal, and cultural terms, does not equate being a True Amarrian, as defined by racial terms, which a Khanid, of course, cannot be. Ms Akurani gives a very good and understandable overview for this matters.
As a result of this the duchess does not GÇ£appear to be a Khanid woman who is claiming to be AmarrianGÇ¥, she certainly is both. (Unless, of course, you were implying with your statement that you see the Khanid purely as a racial group.) The second part of your statement refers to the Kingdom and the Empire, wherein Amarrian equates Imperial, while Khanid equates Royal. I hope the matters in question are now understandable.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest CEO of Ishtirak dGÇÖHanguest
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1469
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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:14:00 -
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Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:In the Name of the Lord Ms Hanaya, thank you for your question. Her Grace has asked me to provide you with a copy of GÇ£Elementary Civic Education for Boys and GirlsGÇ¥ written by Catiz Akurani, where you will find that the terms Amarr and Khanid are not mutually exclusive. An Amarrian can be Khanid, and a Khanid can be Amarrian, although both conditions are bound to certain preconditions, which are legally defined by being listed in the Book of Records. Thus being Amarrian, as defined by religious, legal, and cultural terms, does not equate being a True Amarrian, as defined by racial terms, which a Khanid, of course, cannot be. Ms Akurani gives a very good and understandable overview for this matters. As a result of this the duchess does not GÇ£appear to be a Khanid woman who is claiming to be AmarrianGÇ¥, she certainly is both. (Unless, of course, you were implying with your statement that you see the Khanid purely as a racial group.) The second part of your statement refers to the Kingdom and the Empire, wherein Amarrian equates Imperial, while Khanid equates Royal. I hope the matters in question are now understandable. Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest CEO of Ishtirak dGÇÖHanguest
I would have thought that a lawyer would understand the difference between Imperial and imperial and also between Royal and royal.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
10
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:16:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
Admiral Blake,
it pleases the duchess and me to see you so snaky and irritated that you are taking this discussion to the spelling level.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest CEO of Ishtirak dGÇÖHanguest
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1469
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:43:00 -
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As a lawyer you should understand that correct capitalisation aids precision.
For example, it allows one to tell the difference between the Imperial household and an imperial household.
Your description of your sister as Royal Khanid nobility implies one of three things...
1. You were deliberately misleading people to make them think that you are both related to Khanid II (despite belonging to a different bloodline).
2. You are a rubbish lawyer that does not understand the importance of precision.
3. You were lying when you said that you are a lawyer.
So which is it? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
10
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:22:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
Admiral Blake,
let me see it frank this time. As a lawyer yourself you should understand to eschew unethical behaviour like GÇ£cherry pickingGÇ¥, i. e. a quoting out of context in a selective manner that suits your argumentation while omitting the facts that do not. So far you have not even presented circumstantial evidence or arguments against the duchess, and your refutation of her claims and statements lacks any scriptural, legal or logical basis.
Instead of waisting our time with your biased sophistry and with corrupting the innocent, you could, for example, answer to the latest correspondence you have received from us or reply to the questions the duchess has asked you. May I also remind you that not all languages of New Eden are translated in the same quality and that the tongue that our house speaks for generations is not the imperial standard language. To base your argument on the difference of an GÇ£rGÇ¥ and an GÇ£RGÇ¥ is shameless hypocrisy at its bestGÇöbut is suits you.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest CEO of Ishtirak dGÇÖHanguest
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2144
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:31:00 -
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I too am seeing grammatical translation issues. Considering we are 'speaking' through copious amounts of technology, rather than face to face, such translation issues are to be expected from time to time. A multitude of equipment and network failures along the pathway could be causing these issues, the least likely of which is her own speech.
It would do well for Admiral Blake were he to ignore these grammar and spelling issues likely caused by equipment failure and focus on the matter at hand instead. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3413
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:34:00 -
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Failure to maintain reasonable equipment standards is still a failing. Mane 614
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2146
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:46:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Failure to maintain reasonable equipment standards is still a failing.
It could be a failure anywhere along the pathway, Ixiris. That means it could just as easily be a network issue at a routing station somewhere in the Kingdom, completely unrelated to Morijah d'Hanguest. With greater system complexity comes greater possible points of failure. The sheer amount of translation errors we experience on a daily basis, colloquially known as "typos" or "mischats", should tip you off to how common this is.
The fact remains that nitpicking a few issues like these instead of the actual argument being presented is well below the esteem of anyone posting in this thread. We're all better than that. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1469
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:50:00 -
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Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:In the Name of the Lord Admiral Blake, let me see it frank this time. As a lawyer yourself you should understand to eschew unethical behaviour like GÇ£cherry pickingGÇ¥, i. e. a quoting out of context in a selective manner that suits your argumentation while omitting the facts that do not. So far you have not even presented circumstantial evidence or arguments against the duchess, and your refutation of her claims and statements lacks any scriptural, legal or logical basis. Instead of waisting our time with your biased sophistry and with corrupting the innocent, you could, for example, answer to the latest correspondence you have received from us or reply to the questions the duchess has asked you. May I also remind you that not all languages of New Eden are translated in the same quality and that the tongue that our house speaks for generations is not the imperial standard language. To base your argument on the difference of an GÇ£rGÇ¥ and an GÇ£RGÇ¥ is shameless hypocrisy at its bestGÇöbut is suits you. Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest CEO of Ishtirak dGÇÖHanguest
You want evidence to back up my claims?
Well let's start with the allegation that your sister willfully placed a bounty on a member of an allied corporation shall we?
Here's her confession.
Now the claim that your sister "couldn't even have (her) way with one of the least-picky women of easy pleasure in the cluster..."
Here is all the evidence we need
As for the assertion that your sister took part in the production of holoreels of an adult nature, here is her admission not only of doing just that but also of lying about it
Now I ask the good people of the Intergalactic Summit: is such a person qualified to pass judgement on the morality of others? Are they qualified to decide whether or not a part of the apparatus of the Amarr Empire has legitimacy?
Tell me Morijah, exactly what is it that makes you think that your sister has the right to question the legitimacy not only of the Theology Council but also of the Privy Council and the Empress herself also? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
11
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:25:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
Admiral Blake,
we find the moral authority of the duchess by no means lesser than that of a bald admiral who seems to be obsessed with that young ladyGÇÖs troublesome past, meticulously collecting and exhibiting it. We are also unhappy to see that you reverted to an ad personam strategy, instead of arguing against your opponentGÇÖs argument.
Furthermore, rather than welcoming our accommodating offer of arbitration through a third and respected party, you decided to carry forward your vilification of a member of Khanid nobility. Wars have been started for less.
(Also please donGÇÖt call me Morijah. Thank you very much.)
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest CEO of Ishtirak dGÇÖHanguest
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
32
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:02:00 -
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So, you are critiquing Admiral Blake having done a background check on someone who has called the Theology Council treasonous?
Nobility shows itself through Right Action. It is a great birthright and a great responsibility. Applying Gallente logic concepts like "ad personam" to this discussion only digs the hole your family is in deeper. Making a spectacle of oneself is an action guided by Molok, not by God. Making public accusations against the Theology Council and Scriptures are also actions guided by Molok. Such a person has no ability to be correct, for she is guided by evil forces and has betrayed Amarr. To separate the person and their status with God from the argument they are making is a classic example of the cancer of allowing Gallente concepts to enter into discussions of Amarr.
Amarrian nobility have a massive responsibility to be paragons of prudence and Godly behavior. We are blessed with authority due to the actions of our ancestors, which means that we are also burdened with equal responsibility to live up to that authority. A noble who behaves in the manner we are seeing here and who espouses heretical beliefs is a betrayal of those ancestors and does not deserve to be treated with any honor. Said noble has abdicated the moral right to the authority she wields. Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.-á |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1469
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Posted - 2013.10.04 06:49:00 -
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Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:In the Name of the Lord Admiral Blake, we find the moral authority of the duchess by no means lesser than that of a bald admiral who seems to be obsessed with that young ladyGÇÖs troublesome past, meticulously collecting and exhibiting it. We are also unhappy to see that you reverted to an ad personam strategy, instead of arguing against your opponentGÇÖs argument. Furthermore, rather than welcoming our accommodating offer of arbitration through a third and respected party, you decided to carry forward your vilification of a member of Khanid nobility. Wars have been started for less. (Also please donGÇÖt call me Morijah. Thank you very much.) Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest CEO of Ishtirak dGÇÖHanguest
You accuse me of adopting an ad personam strategy?
I remind you you that it was you sister who has recently amongst other things claimed that I am a sissy. It was also your sister who placed a bounty on my head when she started to lose the argument. Surely paying bounty hunters to have someone bumped off is the ultimate ad personam attack?
But anyway, I'm not claiming that I have more moral authority than your sister (although I do believe that my morality is less suspect than her's). I am claiming that the Theology Council has more moral authority than both of us.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3416
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Posted - 2013.10.04 08:01:00 -
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Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:we find the moral authority of the duchess by no means lesser than that of a bald admiral
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:bald admiral The hell does that have to do with anything? Mane 614
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
139
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Posted - 2013.10.04 20:54:00 -
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Very well,
since you seem to believe that certain claims and titles show themselves through right action, should my sister also take the liberty not to address you as admiral? Your arguments are solely based on inconsistencies and fallacies: It is the Empress who decides if the Theology Council is legitimateGÇöyet it is GÇ£usGÇ¥ who decide if my claims are legitimate and morally justified, although my name, titles and the history of my house are listed in the Book of Records, which, you seem to have forgotten, is part of the scriptures. And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didnGÇÖt she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh? Was she guided by Molok too? Would such a person not loose the ability to be corrected, for she is guided by evil forces and has betrayed Amarr? WouldnGÇÖt said Empress abdicate the moral right to the authority she wields?
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:So, you are critiquing Admiral Blake having done a background check on someone who has called the Theology Council treasonous? I think my sister was not critiquing him, I believe she was politely implying that she believes he is a corrupted deviant obsessed with pornography. She is always so polite though!
Rodj Blake wrote:As I said in my reply to you all that is needed for this dispute to be ended is for everyone to agree to respect the authority of the leaderships of both the Kingdom and the Empire. Is that really too much to ask for? Apparently so!
Odelya Book of Prayers GÇö Download GÇö Viva la Legion! |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
190
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:00:00 -
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More Ponies Please! MANE 614
"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1472
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:02:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Very well,
since you seem to believe that certain claims and titles show themselves through right action, should my sister also take the liberty not to address you as admiral?
I don't insist people call me Admiral, especially when they're outside my chain of command. When they do, it's through their own choice.
I'm a humble man at heart, but it seems that my past adventures have earned me a certain amount of respect and so many people whom I have never had dealings with feel the need to honour me.
Quote:Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didnGÇÖt she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh? Was she guided by Molok too? Would such a person not loose the ability to be corrected, for she is guided by evil forces and has betrayed Amarr? WouldnGÇÖt said Empress abdicate the moral right to the authority she wields?
And yet you fight for this woman whose purity you question. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
305
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:13:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didnGÇÖt she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh?
No, because she didn't abandon the doctrine of sacred flesh. |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
190
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:57:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didnGÇÖt she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh? No, because she didn't abandon the doctrine of sacred flesh. There are none so blind as those who will not see!
Jamly is an abomination, a blasphemous insult to the long traditions of our Holy Amarr Empire, even regenerated an Emperor could live perhaps 500 years, and then die, she is a wholly cloned capsuleer! As foolish followers like you will one day see for themselves when they open their eyes.
"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2395
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:16:00 -
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An oddly corrupted message was removed from this com-stream.
Please remember to ensure that you're not suffering the delusion of being a normal human before using GalNet.
Thank you! ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
33
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Posted - 2013.10.05 01:27:00 -
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I am done with this discussion, Heretic. When you declare the Empress a blasphemer you declare yourself beyond salvation.
You are a disgrace to your heritage. You are not Amarr, you are fallen. A failure. A pathetic disappointment of the vision of God. Your actions are a blight on the Amarrian institution of nobility and an insult to everyone who carries the responsibilities and titles of a Holder.
Your noble ancestors would be appalled to see what their descendant has wrought.
You will burn in eternal damnation. Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.-á |
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
139
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:33:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:And yet you fight for this woman whose purity you question. I am not fighting for the impure. I am fighting for Eternal Amarr! I do so as proud legionnaire with and for my brothers-in-arms, regardless of their nationality, race, or religion, for we are a sworn family bound by a sacred mission. I am proud to protect the ordinary men and women of the cluster from the threat of invasion and I am eager to reclaim what was lost. Call me heretic if it pleases you, close your eyes and deny reality. You will open it when we meet again for God is with me. For the King and Eternal Amarr! Book of Prayers GÇö Download GÇö Viva la Legion! |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
595
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:43:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didnGÇÖt she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh? No, because she didn't abandon the doctrine of sacred flesh.
Leaps of faith are amazing.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote: You will burn in eternal damnation.
I am not familiar with that concept. It does not sound very orthodox. Care to elaborate ? |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
191
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:41:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:I am done with this discussion, Heretic. When you declare the Empress a blasphemer you declare yourself beyond salvation.
You are a disgrace to your heritage. You are not Amarr, you are fallen. A failure. A pathetic disappointment of the vision of God. Your actions are a blight on the Amarrian institution of nobility and an insult to everyone who carries the responsibilities and titles of a Holder.
Your noble ancestors would be appalled to see what their descendant has wrought.
You will burn in eternal damnation. You know nothing of being Amarr if you abandon our traditions, you need to study our recorded undisputed history, that proven path from the past has led us, God's Chosen People, to dominance in New Eden. Look to our past with and open heart, clear mind, and a humble but burning unquenchable desire for the truth, then you to will see the enormous sinful error that has engulfed God's Chosen People.
It was a time when we were not led by an Emperor sitting on our ancient Imperial throne, during our time of fear an instability a devious blasphemer with a mysterious wonder weapon that delivered us from the wrath of freed slaves crawled in to squat upon our Imperial throne, and the weak, and the frightened embraced the Sarum capsuleer despite the fact she committed ritual suicide when Emperor Doriam ascended to the Imperial throne. She was an heir that failed in her attempt to be selected Empress, Doriam was selected, how according to our traditions is this person alive?
King Khanid also chose to not follow our tradition but at least had the courage of his own convictions to break away from Amarr and carve out his own kingdom without becoming a capsuleer, a rebel yes, but one who might be returned to the flock because he maintained his sacred flesh. I am a capsuleer unfit to meet the requirement of sacred flesh to sit on our Imperial throne, the same as Jamyl.
Would any of you accept her wholly unorthodox path to the Imperial throne absent her wonder weapon that stopped but did not reverse the loses of the GÇ£Elder WarGÇ¥? Without the Minmatar throughly routing the Imperial Navy and threatening our very way of life whom amongst us would not have been demanding that this GÇ£livingGÇ¥ failed candidate for the Imperial throne be thrown into a cleansing pit for all time?
She owed a debt to the Minmatar for creating her path to the throne with their attacks upon our Empire, she has never again used her wonder weapon to enforce the reclaiming she promised us, instead she rewarded those same Minmatar invaders by forcing us to relinquish more slaves to the Minmatar Republic. Was this the foul deal she negotiated with them, attack us then retreat, then when I am on the throne I'll give you everything and everyone you want, emancipation!
Why has the wonder weapon of this Sarum capsuleer not been used against the Minmatar Republic? Why does she not wield it against those who oppose the will of God in New Eden? Does it even exist? Was it just a part of the sinful hoax she duped the Amarrian people with? Open your eyes before this abomination destroys the Holy Amarr Empire.
"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
305
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:30:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didnGÇÖt she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh? No, because she didn't abandon the doctrine of sacred flesh. Leaps of faith are amazing. It's not about leaps of faith. It's about proper understanding of what the doctrine of sacred felesh is about. The doctrine of sacred flesh is about the flesh of those from a royal line, which is by doctrine sacred. It's not - at least not directly - about the restriction of cloning for those of the royal families.The restriction of cloning is a consequence of this doctrine, but it is dependant on hown th doctrine is interpreted. So even if one is of the belief that the Empress is a capsuleer and a clone, all she would have to abandoned is that the restriction of cloning, but that doesn't mean that she by necessity did away with the doctrine of sacred flesh.
The same is true if one assumes that she did away when accepting King Khanid as a member of the Privy Council, even though one is of the opinion that the King's miraculous youth is a result of repeated cloning.
Anyway, she didn't express that she did away with said doctrine. Nor did she give any indication that she changed to an Interpretation that merits a shift away from the restriction in place for cloning. The Privy Council in accord with the Theology Council proclaimed her eligible to become Empress prior to her coronation. Thus, it is quite clear that she did not break with the doctrine of purity of flesh. All that one might more or less reasonably claim - though this would still be based on idle speculation of whether the Empress or the King were in fact cloned - is that the acceptence of the consequence of cloning causing impurity of flesh is not any more supported by a modern interpretation of the doctrine.
So, there is no leap of faith needed, just proper reasoning instead of idle speculation and clinging to consequences that are not really necessary, even if one accepts that idle speculation as facts. |
Shirin Khashour
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:17:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Gaven Lok'ri wrote: You will burn in eternal damnation.
I am not familiar with that concept. It does not sound very orthodox. Care to elaborate ?
Lord Admiral Lok'ri is a busy man, far too busy to explain basic school lessons that you should already know.
Given that burning away evil and eternal damnation for those who turn away from God are extremely common concepts that are some of the oldest elements of the Amarrian faith, I find it quite strange that you could claim to have never come across them. They appear in some of the most commonly known and quoted bits of scriptures; I had thought every schoolchild in Amarr was aware of them.
Either the Ammatar education system was in a great deal more trouble than I realized, or you are consciously baiting the Admiral with a statement you know is nonsense. Either way, I see no reason to forward your question to his attention.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
596
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:11:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didnGÇÖt she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh? No, because she didn't abandon the doctrine of sacred flesh. Leaps of faith are amazing. It's not about leaps of faith. It's about proper understanding of what the doctrine of sacred flesh is about. The doctrine of sacred flesh is about the flesh of those from a royal line, which is by doctrine sacred. It's not - at least not directly - about the restriction of cloning for those of the royal families.The restriction of cloning is a consequence of this doctrine, but it is dependant on hown th doctrine is interpreted. So even if one is of the belief that the Empress is a capsuleer and a clone, all she would have to abandoned is that the restriction of cloning, but that doesn't mean that she by necessity did away with the doctrine of sacred flesh. The same is true if one assumes that she did away when accepting King Khanid as a member of the Privy Council, even though one is of the opinion that the King's miraculous youth is a result of repeated cloning. Anyway, she didn't express that she did away with said doctrine. Nor did she give any indication that she changed to an Interpretation that merits a shift away from the restriction in place for cloning. The Privy Council in accord with the Theology Council proclaimed her eligible to become Empress prior to her coronation. Thus, it is quite clear that she did not break with the doctrine of purity of flesh. All that one might more or less reasonably claim - though this would still be based on idle speculation of whether the Empress or the King were in fact cloned - is that the acceptence of the consequence of cloning causing impurity of flesh is not any more supported by a modern interpretation of the doctrine. So, there is no leap of faith needed, just proper reasoning instead of idle speculation and clinging to consequences that are not really necessary, even if one accepts that idle speculation as facts.
Oh, that is actually an interesting point of view.
Please forgive me for assuming that you held the common "miracle" belief that I have witnessed time and time again on these Galnet boards. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
596
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:17:00 -
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Shirin Khashour wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Gaven Lok'ri wrote: You will burn in eternal damnation.
I am not familiar with that concept. It does not sound very orthodox. Care to elaborate ? Lord Admiral Lok'ri is a busy man, far too busy to explain basic school lessons that you should already know. Given that burning away evil and eternal damnation for those who turn away from God are extremely common concepts that are some of the oldest elements of the Amarrian faith, I find it quite strange that you could claim to have never come across them. They appear in some of the most commonly known and quoted bits of scriptures; I had thought every schoolchild in Amarr was aware of them. Either the Ammatar education system was in a great deal more trouble than I realized, or you are consciously baiting the Admiral with a statement you know is nonsense. Either way, I see no reason to forward your question to his attention.
Maybe you should review your Amarrian theology more closely then, instead of accusing others not to be knowledgeable on basic school lessons. I am not going to do a prejudice and think that because you are a PIE servant, that your beliefs are completely nonsensical, but what you show here does not really help in that way either.
Eternal damnation and burning evil, commonly referred by the concept of hell, has never been part of Amarrian scriptures and theological matters. Hell is a heathen concept that is commonly used as slang by most people to designate the worst place to live in at a given time. In Amarrian theology, there is indeed only Heaven. Being barred from entering Heaven does not mean ending up in some hellish place.
I am fairly certain that the good admiral shares the same beliefs on the matter, like most Amarrians do.
I am not really willing to play a silly game of social ladder and who has the most prominent place in the society with you, but if that is really what you want, do not be surprised to lose at that game. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:29:00 -
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Neither Lord Lok'ri nor Commandant Khashour have said 'hell'. They spoke of no 'place'. What his lordship threatened was eternal torment. This is not foreign to the faith, for those who refuse God or sin greatly. Let alone burning away evil, which our very lasers are built to do. You should review the Book of Amarr Askura, which speaks of both. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:19:00 -
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No matter how you twist its meaning, eternal damnation is still pretty much similar to many concepts of hell. Maybe I should not have mentioned the word in the first place, but all of this is merely a travesty.
Amarr Askura only mentions abandonment (forsaken), not eternal damnation. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:47:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Amarr Askura only mentions abandonment (forsaken), not eternal damnation.
You do not consider the two one and the same? |
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