I see alot of posts that says "we don't need / want another autocannons" Why not ? What is so wrong in two kinds of weapons, that are very similar to each others (projectiles and lasers are similar already) I don't really get the idea that races should differ so much

And about those changes propositions by CCP Tallest, You can decrese PG and CPU needs by 99%, increase tracking by 999% and blaster ship still gone be totaly owned by minmatar one, simply gone be kited, orbited or out ranged to death. Another issue with hybrid turrets is their ammo, only 2 types of dmg, that makes them sux in most of the pve and pvp cases.

Important message to everyone who wants to construct text-wall advice for CCP:

1. Railguns, they too are hybrids.

2. Blasters should get more out of Null, not a huge baseline range increase. CCP will not re-invent the autocannon.

3. Hull issues are seperate issues. Gallente AND Caldari have hybrid ships, so if one of your suggestions is "web bonus on every gallente ship," you're obviously not adressing the issue.

Huh? -you should know by now a nano pest 800mm can shoot nuclear warheads between 0 and - - -- - -- --> 100km
Faster Megathron camping all day the gate or waiting at the undock to shoot stuff pinned by rapiers and hurricanes?
Better dmg ship??? -you are kidding right?

lol....

That's why I thought it would be a good idea to apply bonuses to the guns directly.
That way, you actually make the guns better without making them copies of existing guns.
This waym you're not bufing hulls that would STILL be better-off using ACs or Lasers or...

If you made Rails give a boost to MWD speed bonus, I think it would make them somewhat viable in PVP (combined with thier up-coming dmg buff).
Rails aren't a problem on thier own. Again it's the hulls that use them that are limited.
If a Rail Brutix was fast-enough, it could quite-possibly win a kiting battle with an AC Cane.
Med. Rails have enough optimal to out-damage AC's within long-point range.
The ship just has to be fast-enough to do-it.

PS don't reduce railgun range.
It's one of the things that still makes them usefull in PVE.
Obviously by increasing dmg, you compensate for that, but then thier dmg profile starts to look a LOT like ACs and T2 Pulses w/Scorch.

Foum ate my post. So smaller version after the hybrid "buff" we have:

Blaster negatives:
Use Cap
fixed damage type (just happens to be the 2 highest average resist on T2 ships..)
10 second reload time (makes switching ammor types extremly disadvantagous)
Poor Range (outranged by an averge of 2x-4x by other weapons)

Postitives:
Higher DPS (on average +17% vs pulse/ +27% vs AC's, after fitting/skills averages to be about +20%)

The first and second points are shared with lasers, the third with every weapon system but lasers and also works against the ones that could potentially exploit your second point in the first place, so that leaves the last one which is kinda ok since:


Really, blasters are supposed to be the in-you-face weapon of choice and there is nothing wrong with that premise. What you really are complaining about is the inability of some, not all, of the ships using blasters to get into that position. Stop making it out as if there is something wrong with blasters themselves, especially after this buff.

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"Hail boost is too much"

Look, if you will only boost Hail -25%, we get, by the example of small guns.
900m +3.6 km. 14.2dps (without skills, 200mm guns)
Comparable to the void, small blaster (without skills, neutron blaster):
1.35km +1.25 km 18.5dps
What do we see? auto-cannon, with these cartridges is superior to two blaster for distance work. And 4.3dps inferior. What choices you make, or auto-blaster cannon? : Trolface:

"Eagle is terrible, Deimos is terrible, Rokh is terrible, Proteus is terrible .. Keep posting specific ehamples"

Brutix is GGoGGoterrible of, Eos is terrible of, is terrible of Asterate, Kronos is terrible of.
these ships, there are common problems:
1) They are slow flying.
2) They are forced to enter the ultra-short-range and distance. (Which can not do it)
3) All of them, a bonus to the active tank armor. Which requires lots of capacitor. (Batteries take up much space and they can take a little.)
4) Mean Guns Brutiks and Eos have a range of work (blasters) ~ 7km. Asterate a little more.
5) Due to the active tank, they have very low health, which increases the risk of being killed with the first volley artilerii.
6) They consume a lot of guns being done, (after the update is less, but more than all the same artileriya and missiles).
7) Entering into an ultra-close range, they immediately fall into a vampire and Neutralizer. And the instantaneous capacitor lose and die.

So, we have a strange situation.
We sighted the gun consume capacitor, we have an active tank capacitor and consumes a lot .... we have to influence podvergatsya vampire and neutralizer. Quickly lose the capacitor and die .... If you want to keep active tank in ultra-short distance, then you need to, perhaps, to give these ships immune to vampire and a neutralizer. Or do chtonibud, otherwise the ship will remain useless junk.
(With the Kronos situation is better, there is a bonus on the network, but it has all the same, the active tank and a short working distance. What makes it virtually useless due to the fact that, neutralizer is used throughout)

Please, CCP, revise these ships.

Can we stop with the red-herring arguments that obviously don't make sense?

The Kronos, like every marauder, has an active tank bonus. Like every other marauder the primary reason it's awful for pvp is going to be it's signal strength. It is a horrible example for pvp balancing or tank bonuses for those, rather obvious, reasons.

Think a little more before you post at length so we don't sound like idiots clamouring for fotm.

Oh wait blasters have the disadvantages of every other weapon system combined but it is OK since it does 20% more damage at point blank range ? Do you comprehend what you write ?

That post makes it pretty clear you know nothing about rails.

Maybe before you look for the idiot in the other, should pay attention to yourself?

Of all the post, you could see was a small remark about Kronos, lol.

It was about 4 ships, which are practically not used. And Kronos, but not the worst of them.

Remarque, especially for you, for a "smart", Kronos, has a range of a neutron blaster, ~ 17km with antimatter. Vargur & Paladin 35 km. Oh, and if it's Marauder, then only PVE? LOL.

Fanats of the Amarr and Matar, just amused by how little timid chicken, afraid of any emerging competition.

Except for, practically every time I log-in to EVE, I do 1-3 lvl4 missions with a Rail-fit Hyperion.
I've used rails more than ANY other weapon in the game.
3+ years running missions in Gallente space with Gallente ships...
Yeah, I don't know anything about rails.

Your rail fix idea isn't bad, you just haven't thought about the consequenses.
By decreasing rail-range and increasing damage dramatically, they will be too-much like T2 pulses with Scorch and ACs.
If rails had the same damage profile as ACs why in the hell would I use them instead of ACs?
With ACs, I can select dmg-type, and they use no cap. Both are huge plusses for PVE and PVP.

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I was pointing out your assertion that Kronos ACTIVE TANKING bonus was somehow a uniquely gallente problem. It is not.

Yes, a blaster kronos will have poor range. Perhaps if we stop pretending railguns don't exist we can have those buffed too?

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LOL a rail brutix beating a ac cane now ive seen it all.

Wait is that a pig flying over there...

Slow down.
Engage your mind.
Think about what people post before making a conclusion.

A Rail-Brutix could never kite an AC Cane because the AC Cane is so much faster, and more agile, that it makes it impossible for the Brutix to maintain range.

There's the problem.
Ok, so how do you fix it?

Change rails?
That would probably work, but the rails themselves aren't the REAL problem.
The real problem is that the ship you're fitting them to isn't fast enough or agile enough to kite much of anything.

So what's the REAL solution?
Make rails viable by making the ships that fit them fast-enough or agile-enough to kite.

Does that make sense?

This is purely hypothetical of-course but...
If each medium hybrid turret gave a 4.25% boost to speed, then a Rail-Brutix would have enough speed to kite an AC Cane, and a Blaster-Brutix would have enough speed to get into-range before it's too late (sometimes).

An unusual fix? Yes.
Viable? Looks like it to me.
We're just brain-storming and discussing here, and I think this is worth discussing.

Provided the problem of getting into range is addressed, the Kronos can be an absolute beast in PvP (with the proper support to address its signal strength issues). 4 Neutron blasters with the power of 8 and three neuts with a web bonus. It's BBQ time.

damn. double post, sorry

Proteus is realy terrible ?.

That actually re-enforces my point. The fact you mission in a hype is laughable.

First off, projectiles and lasers are not all that similar. As to why we don't want to duplicate autos directly, it's obvious. You then just have autocannons that require cap and only have one damage profile. What's the point in even having blasters at that point?

They should either defend the blaster niche and help them overcome some of their short-comings with T2 ammo (just like barrage and scorch do for projectiles and lasers) or they should drop the weapon system all together.

Yep, ship issues are part of the problem. A big part at that. But that isn't alleviated by cloning projectiles either. Then you get a less agile ship with the same weapon system. Bunk. As far as damage types, i'm ok with kin/therm. I don't see anything wrong with being stuck to that profile, so long as there are some advantages too.