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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.28 10:05:00 -
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So this article:
EVE: Valkyrie - Interview ith Hilmar
The author, without a direct quote, tells us that Valkyrie is not going to be like DUST 514 in so far as it is not going to be connected to the Tranquility server??!!!
Is this true?! Or just 'yellow paper' journalism?
To not make Valkyrie a DUST 514 equivalent is insanely idiotic....
There is no serious reason why a low orbit/ non-warp fighter based game can not co-exist with EVE Online and DUST 514 - anyone remember the atmospheric flight demo?
While this is a bit of a rage post - if the unquoted statement is true - it's also a cry for "say it ain't so!"
If EVE VR, and subsequently EVE Valkyrie was moved forward by 'interest', why give up the best marketing tools that will only make this game better: Single shared server with EVE Online and DUST 514, and being the first MMOFP Space Fighter Sim (ever)????
CCP's success is rooted in EVE Online - it is difficult to imagine them making the mistake of loosing sight of that and not making Valkyrie a 'connected' game.
/ragepost_off |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2071
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Posted - 2013.09.28 11:16:00 -
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Get over it.
First, they use radically different engines, second the time scales are simply incompatible, and lastly (and most importantly) integration is hard. It's takes serious Iskies, and CCP is trying to be fast and agile here - delivering an excellent product in a short timeframe. CCP doesn't need Development Hell here, they need simple, clean, and fast.
IOW: To try to make Valkyrie into a Dust-type connected piece would be insanely idiotic. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Something Random
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2013.09.28 11:50:00 -
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Eve could influence the staging of the games i guess. There have been so many epic fights involving Carriers and Moms that the Lore, Eye Floss and Staging areas have pretty much already built themselves. Granted only Eve players, and then in some cases only some of those, would recognise this perhaps but nice little idea i reckon.
Cant wait to see what comes with it really, i already like the way its came about. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.28 11:52:00 -
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Think of EVE as Simcity and Valkyrie as SimCopter. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 12:06:00 -
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Something Random wrote:Eve could influence the staging of the games i guess. There have been so many epic fights involving Carriers and Moms that the Lore, Eye Floss and Staging areas have pretty much already built themselves. Granted only Eve players, and then in some cases only some of those, would recognise this perhaps but nice little idea i reckon.
Cant wait to see what comes with it really, i already like the way its came about. That's a good idea actually. If they could replicate some of the big player battles and use them as environments...imagine fighting Asakai as a small craft. Blatant alt posting? In my EVE?
It's more likely than you think. |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:14:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Get over it.
First, they use radically different engines, second the time scales are simply incompatible, and lastly (and most importantly) integration is hard. It's takes serious Iskies, and CCP is trying to be fast and agile here - delivering an excellent product in a short timeframe. CCP doesn't need Development Hell here, they need simple, clean, and fast.
IOW: To try to make Valkyrie into a Dust-type connected piece would be insanely idiotic.
/facepalm
All of those are 'choices'.... and as for 'fast and agile' who the @#$@ cares?? The days of stand alone games are obsolete, and if CCP isn't going to charge for it, but still expect any longevity out of it - they are not going to get that out of a 'mitosis' to EVE Online is a missed opportunity on several levels.
And a game I won't waste money on for a 'one trick pony'.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:34:00 -
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I think this is actually a good move by CCP to have a "EVE" centric game that is not tied to the EVE universe like DUST is, something would require both resources and time that I don't think CCP can just can set aside for Valkyrie just like that when DUST still needs a lot of work. Having said that, you never know what will happen in the future. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:05:00 -
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I guess it comes down to whether CCP wants to be the Audi or the Toyota of the gaming industry?
Both create reliable products but one is many degrees of quality higher than the other...
In my opinion, if you ask yourself 'what is it that has made EVE successful?', one of the answers is undoubtedly 'no-compromise'.
So I'm not trying to argue against realities, of this would be difficult or that would be hard, it's a customer perspective on an article that raised the question: Is this true?
If it is, it's very disappointing - and tells me there's absolutely no reason why we don't have WiS yet in EVE Online. And I would truly wonder if the vast majority (not the vocal minority) of players who are ecstatic about EVE Valkyrie wouldn't want to be patient just a bit longer to have something that was integrated and 'meaningful'...
CCP has a brand that they are under utilizing if they make Valkyrie a stand alone game... |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
145
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:49:00 -
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Lol :CCP's answer to compete with Star Citizen: nice joke |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1966
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:55:00 -
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Oh, so it can be played without a VR set...? Interesting.
Posted: 2013.08.20 21:08 :
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:(...)
BTW, anyone wants to bet that Valkyrie will be released for mobile devices? It shrieks of accelerometer-based control.
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:01:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Oh, so it can be played without a VR set...? Interesting. Posted: 2013.08.20 21:08 :Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:(...)
BTW, anyone wants to bet that Valkyrie will be released for mobile devices? It shrieks of accelerometer-based control.
(...)
I sooooooooo hope you're wrong about the mobile devices..... but my gut tells me your probably not far from the mark :( |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
146
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:03:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3513443#post3513443
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
146
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:12:00 -
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Well. at least for people who want to play it on mobile devices and were worried about the Oculus' power consumption, with the option to play without it that concern is out of the way.
Wonder if they'll add the option for a fighter 3rd person view. That'd be tight. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1661
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:16:00 -
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I want to see Valkyrie happen, have been somewhat jealous of not getting to play it at Fanfest, etc
however, it was never presented to players in a game environment containing non-valkyrie players, OP; that's a case of your imagination running away with you, and false expectations you started in your head. and are attempting to spread via mind viruses here. (rejected. **** you)
Granted, it would be cool to have integration but let's... take it one step at a time. Valk's good for 3D and EVE's relevance, DUST is at least -a form- of ambulation, and a proof of concept (of cross-game, cross-PLATFORM integration)... and I'm hoping for things like DUST/EVE coordinated exploration (like some of us have seen in that bootleg Russia-EVE-meet video).
...but you gotta keep your expectations in check. and distinguishing between expectations and reality helps.
in closing, sometimes the value is in the potential for bleedthrough, and things that are beyond those steps (of EVE+DUST+Valkyrie, that would require EVE+DUST+Valkyrie to happen, or that people wouldn't conceive of until they see EVE+DUST+Valkyrie and say "hey what about...") ...basically "one step at a time!"
and let's be grateful that we get to play a refined version of the fanfest minigame, on a higher resolution version of the 3D helmet. It was a stroke of creative genius by a handful of inspired devs "who smoked meth in a basement" (CCP Bettik, EVE Vegas 2012) to get the programming finished, just to see it happen...
Kassasis. the Audi vs Toyota analogy? analogy? really? that's like me not knowing how to make my point using relevant facts, and instead using a weak example because that's all my simple mind can manage, and then expecting you to take me seriously.
raven. I don't care where the $ comes from, why do you. companies look to find the best way to get their product paid for, it's not too difficult. cellular computing is a great idea, especially when they're already capable of pushing the resolution of the next-gen Oculus Rift. it's a huge market and you're trying to make it sound like a problem because you're shortsighted and you're one of the bad EVE player archetypes. Rainf1337 on Twitch |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21324
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:22:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Lol :CCP's answer to compete with Star Citizen: nice joke Indeed... but hey, at least all the EVE games will be in one universe... right?
...aw, who am I kidding. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:26:00 -
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@Rain6637
LOL 'mind virus'??!?! O.o I stopped reading there...
Your a sperge - go back to your troll hole. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
147
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:26:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:raven. I don't care where the $ comes from, why do you. companies look to find the best way to get their product paid for, it's not too difficult. cellular computing is a great idea, especially when they're already capable of pushing the resolution of the next-gen Oculus Rift. it's a huge market and you're trying to make it sound like a problem because you're shortsighted and you're one of the bad EVE player archetypes.
here's my care face and my sad face when CCP sells games to Sony
also, here's my face when I put my money here https://robertsspaceindustries.com/ to help crowdfund a PC & VR space game and my face while I'm playing it instead of EVE games |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
18255
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:28:00 -
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Hmm, no oculus needed. If thats the case I hope they make it compatible with trackIR if its going to be on the PC. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1661
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:33:00 -
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUoh. Hi Commissar Kate Rainf1337 on Twitch |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:00:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Rain6637 wrote:raven. I don't care where the $ comes from, why do you. companies look to find the best way to get their product paid for, it's not too difficult. cellular computing is a great idea, especially when they're already capable of pushing the resolution of the next-gen Oculus Rift. it's a huge market and you're trying to make it sound like a problem because you're shortsighted and you're one of the bad EVE player archetypes. here's my care face and my sad face when CCP sells games to Sony also, here's my face when I put my money here https://robertsspaceindustries.com/ to help crowdfund a PC & VR capable space mmorpg and my face while I'm playing it instead of EVE games
Star Citizen.... got nothing bad to say bout it - in fact I hope it turns out well, as it will force CCP to compete instead of acting like a psuedo-monopoly in the Spaceship/Sci-Fi gaming genre.
THEN... we might finally get waking in stations! |
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Rain6637
Team Evil
1661
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:29:00 -
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im curious if you have the hardware to run a full quality AA CQ as it is, seeing you make such a big point of WiS in the same breath as pseudo monopolies and Star Citizen
posted from my 60" Aquos TV Rainf1337 on Twitch |
NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus
179
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:37:00 -
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Uhm, when i saw the preview back in fanfest, i did not expect it to be tied to tranq like dust, but a stand alone. Which would make sense. I suppose OP isnt much of a gamer, let alone a space flight simulator :-P |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1818
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:23:00 -
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Who says it can't start as single player at first and then EVENTUALLY get also an EVE-integrated version? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T Build your own EVE PC http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1559734 |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:07:00 -
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Well excluding spergey's 60" Aquios....
Neoshocker - No I'm not a flight sim buff, but have been playing this game just as long as you have.
To refocus - the question was the articles assertion without any direct quote. So far the 'impression' is that it's correct and the game will be a stand alone -- but there hasn't been a post stating anything unequivocally.
If the minority is shouted down, and everyone's happy with it being a stand alone /shrug
personally I find it a total waste to put all manner of EVE content copied directly from Tranquillity (planets, systems, NPC carriers, etc.), when it could be made live.
Personally I don't see the 'rush' to get EVE Valkyrie to market as a stand alone - it wasn't even something that was planned but a private Dev project that took off... and I think it could be made into something even more special than a standalone - that's all.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
1663
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:01:00 -
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do you imagine 20 individual, jacked-in players will be available to man your carrier's fighter/bomber slots?
(granted, "pop the fighters" would be the new meta and it would be hilarious, cuz no one would enjoy getting popped by a capsuleer's automated drones, or guns, when they're committed to the fight via helmet/visor)
help me out here, can you elaborate? what do you imagine the integration would look like; how would valkyrie pilots fit in, tactically, on TQ. Rainf1337 on Twitch |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1974
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:13:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Who says it can't start as single player at first and then EVENTUALLY get also an EVE-integrated version?
"Twitch control vs 1 hertz server clock" sounds like a good technical reason... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1819
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:46:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Akita T wrote:Who says it can't start as single player at first and then EVENTUALLY get also an EVE-integrated version? "Twitch control vs 1 hertz server clock" sounds like a good technical reason... That's (at worst) a reason to never integrate, not a reason against starting off as one thing then adding on something else.
However, it's not even that much of a problem, since while in the simulation, the only assets that need a high server refresh rate are those in the same situation, whereas the rest (i.e. player ships and NPC entities) could easily operate on a (hidden by estimations) lag of quite a few seconds... and data flow in the opposite direction is not really much of a problem either. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T Build your own EVE PC http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1559734 |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
869
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:54:00 -
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whilst I think it would be nice to see full integration I also think there are a few barriers to it happening
eve:dust works because, although they are in the same universe, they have separate individual environments with minimal integration.
eve:valkyrie would require massive amounts of integration ... and for 2 separate game types that only have a universe in common, I think it represents a step too far in ambition
pc+occulus or mobile device for Valkyrie is fine .. it's technology that fits the game concept rather well
at the end of the day, if it works well, its a win for CCP which is a win for Eve by extension
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2013.10.06 04:06:00 -
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Commercial Reality: Why the man behind EVE Online is betting on VR while others aren't
"In terms of tying Valkyrie to EVE Online, we haven't really released a lot of information about that. But given how we've done it with EVE Online and Dust 514 -- how a spaceship in EVE Online can shoot a laser down on a planet and it lands in Dust and affects the outcome of combat, and how there's shared economics and social networks across the universe -- it isn't hard to imagine how we could add that level of connectivity across the three games. It could materialize that you're one day flying a fighter that belongs to one of the larger carriers inside EVE. But right now, we're focused on delivering the tightest experience, and we can add the connectivity as the thing progresses."
HAHA! F U H4T3RZ! SUCK IT! |
Grimpak
Duty. The Cursed Few
1165
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:11:00 -
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Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:I guess it comes down to whether CCP wants to be the Audi or the Toyota of the gaming industry?
Both create reliable products but one is many degrees of quality higher than the other...
I prefer the toyboatas to what is basically WV's on posh clothes.
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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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