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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
160
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:41:00 -
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Diplomatic peace had already existed a little over five years ago. Midular was working with the Empire to release slaves and back then the Empire was even giving aid to the Republic. The people who are making this peace so difficult now are individuals such as yourself and Shakor who must threaten everyone with bloody knives.
-Eran
edit : If I have lied, please show me where. Just because my views on slavery differs from your own doesn't make me a liar. I see slavery as acceptable in certain instances. I even have an indentured servant among my retinue, and she's an Amarrian. It's a long story, but I treat her well. |
Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
18
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:51:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Diplomatic peace had already existed a little over five years ago. Midular was working with the Empire to release slaves and back then the Empire was even giving aid to the Republic. The people who are making this peace so difficult now are individuals such as yourself and Shakor who must threaten everyone with bloody knives.
-Eran The question remains ..... why not submit yourself and whatever progeny you might produce to the loving embrace of Amarrian slavery for the next nine generations? Surely you do not think the Matari blood on your hands has made you exempt? You are not man enough to face the verdict you pass on children, you disgusting cowardly turncoat.
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
160
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:55:00 -
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I have no need for enslavement as my family was faithful in God long before I left the Republic.
Continue trying to insult me - it's entertaining when people try their hardest when they really have no idea who someone is or what past they come from.
-Eran |
Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
18
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:16:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:I have no need for enslavement as my family was faithful in God long before I left the Republic.
Continue trying to insult me - it's entertaining when people try their hardest when they really have no idea who someone is or what past they come from.
-Eran Insulting you would be impossible, you have no honor, no integrity. You are not man enough to face the verdict you willfully and enthusiastically see imposed on children, that makes you a coward. You are a self loathing turncoat and a liar. What could be said to such a being that would constitute an insult? The best most vitriolic words for someone like you is "live long" because centuries of you being in your own presence is the best punishment imaginable.
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Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
111
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:19:00 -
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Ray Mitar wrote:The question remains ..... why not submit yourself and whatever progeny you might produce to the loving embrace of Amarrian slavery for the next nine generations? Surely you do not think the Matari blood on your hands has made you exempt? You are not man enough to face the verdict you pass on children, you disgusting cowardly turncoat.
The Matari are a fine group of people to talk about the verdict passed upon children. The stench of hypocrisy is positively nauseating. I may be no saint but I'm at least willing to admit I'm a sinner. You all talk about assassination and justified murder and then wonder why we're loath to commit to any kind of peace process with you? This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
18
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:25:00 -
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Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:The question remains ..... why not submit yourself and whatever progeny you might produce to the loving embrace of Amarrian slavery for the next nine generations? Surely you do not think the Matari blood on your hands has made you exempt? You are not man enough to face the verdict you pass on children, you disgusting cowardly turncoat.
The Matari are a fine group of people to talk about the verdict passed upon children. The stench of hypocrisy is positively nauseating. I may be no saint but I'm at least willing to admit I'm a sinner. You all talk about assassination and justified murder and then wonder why we're loath to commit to any kind of peace process with you? Your admission of being a sinner exalts you, and my confession of sin makes me something to loath? The stench of hypocrisy is coming from you. Try again.
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Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
18
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:34:00 -
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I would like to be done with all of you Amarrians, if a binding enforceable peace was signed tomorrow I'd like nothing better then to never see a one of you again.
Free all my people and I become a non-threat factor for the safety of Amarrian citizens. The stench of you will take decades to wash off, having to commit myself to a life of killing was not a choice, absent your horrific slavery empire, I would have selected for myself. Nonetheless I will use everyday of this long capsuleer life to exact whatever justice I can against any of you until an enforceable peace is signed, as little as that may be in the big scheme of things, it will be relentless. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1837
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:42:00 -
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Ray Mitar wrote:I will grant you the benefit of doubt and state that you are merely wrong. The Republic is up to the challenge. It sounds much like hogwash to me, "They'll all starve" & "Your economy will collapse" are easy to toss out because it maintains the putrid status quo.
Millions of Matari suffer atrocities everyday in Amarr space now, you are content to say any effort to end it by force of arms will make it worst, I say Poppycock! The violence against Amarrians could increase ten thousand fold and they would not match the violence they continue to commit, we ask them for peace but will not sit idly by for another nine generations for them to declare us all criminals and as such still subject to slavery. If this must be solved by the knife mine is sharp and blood soaked already.
If only everyone could be as brave as the undying billionaire who is utterly safe from reprisal.
First of all, I have no vested interest in the status quo. So long as the war stays confined to the CEMWPA warzone we're about as likely to see space-dragons and unicorns as we are to see help coming from the Amarrian militia. As for the bigger picture, it doesn't really bother me whether the Matari automatically bring the Amarrians in on our side in case of Federation agression or beat the Amarrians and render the whole point moot by not needing to be allied against people who have no interest in threatening their people or territory.
No, an effort to end it by force of arms will be doomed to failure. Although the Amarrian navy is obsolete it is bloody enormous. If it came right down to it, they could curb-stomp the Republic Navy and perform a curettement on Pator. Eventually, I'm sure, it would prove counter-productive, but in at least the short term before the guerrilla war began to bite, you can count on unending misery and devastation.
As for the second part of your rebuttal, it would be simplicity itself to multiply the suffering almost infinitely. Simply by addressing the Matari within their own space they have access to a captive population that is bigger than your own. If they directed their attention towards vulnerable groups of Matari within the Federation, that number blossoms. Poison gas attacks. Simple violence. Deprivation. Separation of families.
Is your status as a freedom fighter SO important to you that you'd risk the very people you're supposed to be serving, just to keep your war? |
Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
20
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:00:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:I will grant you the benefit of doubt and state that you are merely wrong. The Republic is up to the challenge. It sounds much like hogwash to me, "They'll all starve" & "Your economy will collapse" are easy to toss out because it maintains the putrid status quo.
Millions of Matari suffer atrocities everyday in Amarr space now, you are content to say any effort to end it by force of arms will make it worst, I say Poppycock! The violence against Amarrians could increase ten thousand fold and they would not match the violence they continue to commit, we ask them for peace but will not sit idly by for another nine generations for them to declare us all criminals and as such still subject to slavery. If this must be solved by the knife mine is sharp and blood soaked already.
If only everyone could be as brave as the undying billionaire who is utterly safe from reprisal. First of all, I have no vested interest in the status quo. So long as the war stays confined to the CEMWPA warzone we're about as likely to see space-dragons and unicorns as we are to see help coming from the Amarrian militia. As for the bigger picture, it doesn't really bother me whether the Matari automatically bring the Amarrians in on our side in case of Federation agression or beat the Amarrians and render the whole point moot by not needing to be allied against people who have no interest in threatening their people or territory. No, an effort to end it by force of arms will be doomed to failure. Although the Amarrian navy is obsolete it is bloody enormous. If it came right down to it, they could curb-stomp the Republic Navy and perform a curettement on Pator. Eventually, I'm sure, it would prove counter-productive, but in at least the short term before the guerrilla war began to bite, you can count on unending misery and devastation. As for the second part of your rebuttal, it would be simplicity itself to multiply the suffering almost infinitely. Simply by addressing the Matari within their own space they have access to a captive population that is bigger than your own. If they directed their attention towards vulnerable groups of Matari within the Federation, that number blossoms. Poison gas attacks. Simple violence. Deprivation. Separation of families. Is your status as a freedom fighter SO important to you that you'd risk the very people you're supposed to be serving, just to keep your war? The simple arrogance of your statements is staggering, do you suppose the Amarrians are the only people who have access to gas and chemical weapons? Our Diaspora guarantees that if the slavers went down that road we would never stop short of killing them all and in kind they would have to invade Caldari and Gallente space to kill all of us, and how would that sit with you as gas billowed across your cities? I do not think anyone wants gas and chemical warfare to start but we are ready to respond if that tactic is employed against Matari people anywhere. Can you imagine the horror even one cloaked ship piloted by a capsuleer could inflict if he or she decided to start cleansing populations from planets? What defense could withstand relentless attacks that could fail a thousand times before needing just one success, per planet?
In this forum only undying billionaires who are utterly safe from reprisals speak so I don't see the value of that statement, it has as much traction as saying "yeah well thats easy to say when you never leave space and walk on the surface of planets" again it applies to everyone who posts here. We capsuleers are a new breed from the old stock of New Eden decidedly different but not wholly disconnected from our baseline origins.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
258
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:08:00 -
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Ray Mitar wrote:I would like to be done with all of you Amarrians, if a binding enforceable peace was signed tomorrow I'd like nothing better then to never see a one of you again.
Free all my people and I become a non-threat factor for the safety of Amarrian citizens. The stench of you will take decades to wash off, having to commit myself to a life of killing was not a choice, absent your horrific slavery empire, I would have selected for myself. Nonetheless I will use everyday of this long capsuleer life to exact whatever justice I can against any of you until an enforceable peace is signed, as little as that may be in the big scheme of things, it will be relentless.
There was peace.
The Republic broke it. |
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Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
22
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:20:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:I would like to be done with all of you Amarrians, if a binding enforceable peace was signed tomorrow I'd like nothing better then to never see a one of you again.
Free all my people and I become a non-threat factor for the safety of Amarrian citizens. The stench of you will take decades to wash off, having to commit myself to a life of killing was not a choice, absent your horrific slavery empire, I would have selected for myself. Nonetheless I will use everyday of this long capsuleer life to exact whatever justice I can against any of you until an enforceable peace is signed, as little as that may be in the big scheme of things, it will be relentless. There was peace. The Republic broke it. There can be no lasting peace while even one Matari is held in slavery, let my people go!
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
259
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:35:00 -
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Ray Mitar wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:I would like to be done with all of you Amarrians, if a binding enforceable peace was signed tomorrow I'd like nothing better then to never see a one of you again.
Free all my people and I become a non-threat factor for the safety of Amarrian citizens. The stench of you will take decades to wash off, having to commit myself to a life of killing was not a choice, absent your horrific slavery empire, I would have selected for myself. Nonetheless I will use everyday of this long capsuleer life to exact whatever justice I can against any of you until an enforceable peace is signed, as little as that may be in the big scheme of things, it will be relentless. There was peace. The Republic broke it. There can be no lasting peace while even one Matari is held in slavery, let my people go!
We aren't your people anymore. We haven't been for hundreds of years. Amarr is our home.
The only ones that you can truly call Matari, are those soldiers that are captured as prisoners of war and enslaved, thanks to a war you started. Rather than freeing your people, you're sending them to their chains. |
Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
22
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:40:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:I would like to be done with all of you Amarrians, if a binding enforceable peace was signed tomorrow I'd like nothing better then to never see a one of you again.
Free all my people and I become a non-threat factor for the safety of Amarrian citizens. The stench of you will take decades to wash off, having to commit myself to a life of killing was not a choice, absent your horrific slavery empire, I would have selected for myself. Nonetheless I will use everyday of this long capsuleer life to exact whatever justice I can against any of you until an enforceable peace is signed, as little as that may be in the big scheme of things, it will be relentless. There was peace. The Republic broke it. There can be no lasting peace while even one Matari is held in slavery, let my people go! We aren't your people anymore. We haven't been for hundreds of years. Amarr is our home. The only ones that you can truly call Matari, are those soldiers that are captured as prisoners of war and enslaved, thanks to a war you started. Rather than freeing your people, you're sending them to their chains. Ah! Yet another turncoat .... let me guess you too are exempt from the loving soothing nurturing status of Amarrian slavery you accept for others, because you're so special right?
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Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
111
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:43:00 -
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How very... Quaint. Bargaining from an absolute position and expecting to be taken seriously. What can you offer in turn is the question? Put simply, that isn't how diplomacy works, bargaining from a flat absolute position meets with minimal success. You need to offer something in turn, quite simply because I would expect the Imperial government to request something in turn, if only so they have something to offer their citizens in reply. I don't care about what my people did to yours a thousand years ago. I did, but I don't anymore. This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3404
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:45:00 -
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No, she's just a fundamentally selfish individual who's looking out for number one. Trust me on this - if there ever came proper war against the Amarr, and there was a moment where the Amarr looked likely to lose it, that moment is when you'd see Samira Kernher turn tail and flee the Empire, and it'd happen so fast they could power entire planets off the spinning heads she left in her wake. Mane 614
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Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
22
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:46:00 -
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Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:How very... Quaint. Bargaining from an absolute position and expecting to be taken seriously. What can you offer in turn is the question. Put simply, that isn't how diplomacy works, bargaining from a flat absolute position meets with minimal success. You need to offer something in turn, quite simply because I would expect the Imperial government to request something in turn, if only so they have something to offer their citizens in reply. I don't care about what my people did to yours a thousand years ago. I did, but I don't anymore. Yawn! Is that really the best you have to post? Try again, harder.
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Shiori Shaishi
Terpalen Trading Corporation
63
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:46:00 -
[107] - Quote
Slaver Filth wrote:Could you tell me the story of how it feels to lose six ships and be podded seven times in one day? [...]
I am a pilot of woefully limited combat experience and I would be fascinated to hear the details [...] There is no doubt in my mind that if you'd bother to undock and attempt to engage other capsuleers, you'd very soon have far more vivid, first-hand account of the matter. |
Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
111
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:50:00 -
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So do you have a serious answer to the question. What can you as a republic offer the Empire for us to consider releasing our slaves to you? What you're doing at the moment, saying 'well we will kill you and your family unless you stop' sort of hardens the issue. For instance, my caring about the slavery issue was limited, indeed I was open to an agreement being reached with the Matari. Then something happened and I changed my mind. This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
259
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:58:00 -
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Ray Mitar wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:I would like to be done with all of you Amarrians, if a binding enforceable peace was signed tomorrow I'd like nothing better then to never see a one of you again.
Free all my people and I become a non-threat factor for the safety of Amarrian citizens. The stench of you will take decades to wash off, having to commit myself to a life of killing was not a choice, absent your horrific slavery empire, I would have selected for myself. Nonetheless I will use everyday of this long capsuleer life to exact whatever justice I can against any of you until an enforceable peace is signed, as little as that may be in the big scheme of things, it will be relentless. There was peace. The Republic broke it. There can be no lasting peace while even one Matari is held in slavery, let my people go! We aren't your people anymore. We haven't been for hundreds of years. Amarr is our home. The only ones that you can truly call Matari, are those soldiers that are captured as prisoners of war and enslaved, thanks to a war you started. Rather than freeing your people, you're sending them to their chains. Ah! Yet another turncoat .... let me guess you too are exempt from the loving soothing nurturing status of Amarrian slavery you accept for others, because you're so special right?
I am not exempt. I was born and raised a slave, as were my parents, and their parents, and their parents. |
Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
22
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:59:00 -
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Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:So do you have a serious answer to the question. What can you as a republic offer the Empire for us to consider releasing our slaves to you? What you're doing at the moment, saying 'well we will kill you and your family unless you stop' sort of hardens the issue. For instance, my caring about the slavery issue was limited, indeed I was open to an agreement being reached with the Matari. Then something happened and I changed my mind. You are the perfect example of why a diplomatic peace is unlikely, something always happens to change your little minds, you are a empire of "refusards", and math challenged followers of your empress who you only follow her orders when it is easy. You have a better deal on the table then your history merits you should grab it and run.
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Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
22
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:05:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote: I am not exempt. I was born and raised a slave, as were my parents, and their parents, and their parents.
So little miss happy slave, your masters sent you to be educated where? Don't look now but your pants are on fire.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
259
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:16:00 -
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They did not send me anywhere. I was released with Her Imperial Majesty's emancipation edict, and my family went to the Republic. I chose to go back home, because I didn't fit there.
The Minmatar in servitude have been living in the Empire their entire lives. Their families have been living in the Empire for generations. They aren't your people, no matter how much you want them to be. If slavery is a problem, then it's a problem for citizens of the Empire, not the Republic. |
Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
111
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:22:00 -
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I do not go into my personal life on the IGS. Suffice it to say that the circumstances were sufficiently compelling for me to reassess my priorities. I would like to hope that you would understand if you knew, but I may be setting my expectations a little high. This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
22
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:36:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:They did not send me anywhere. I was released with Her Imperial Majesty's emancipation edict, and my family went to the Republic. I chose to go back home, because I didn't fit there.
The Minmatar in servitude have been living in the Empire their entire lives. Their families have been living in the Empire for generations. They aren't your people, no matter how much you want them to be. If slavery is a problem, then it's a problem for citizens of the Empire, not the Republic. So I'm a little confused on your timeline here, how long did you attend University in the Republic? Since when did the amarr empire start releasing amarr citizens to the Minmatar Republic? If you left as an emancipated slave how did you get the funds to become a capsuleer? Surely you didn't come to the Minmatar Republic to leech off of it to become a capsuleer because your masters would not pay for it? That would be foul indeed! The happy little slave who runs off to better herself to serve her masters, such an outlandish tale.
Could you elaborate on the timeline a bit for clarity, and those pants are still on fire.
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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
166
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:48:00 -
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Shiori Shaishi wrote:Slaver Filth wrote:Could you tell me the story of how it feels to lose six ships and be podded seven times in one day? [...]
I am a pilot of woefully limited combat experience and I would be fascinated to hear the details [...] There is no doubt in my mind that if you'd bother to undock and attempt to engage other capsuleers, you'd very soon have far more vivid, first-hand account of the matter. Well I'm very busy being an educator and an adjudicator, an Apostle, as well as a constellation holder, however when I do undock from my home in low sec I spend most of my time in wormhole space to feed my insatiable appetite for sleeper loot. If you ever find your way safely to Aridia, or better yet a wormhole connected to it I will be more then happy to give your noob ass a pod express ride home.
Foolish child there is far more to New Eden then just shooting other capsuleers, some of us actually like to make isk, large quantities of isk.
"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
259
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:58:00 -
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Ray Mitar wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:They did not send me anywhere. I was released with Her Imperial Majesty's emancipation edict, and my family went to the Republic. I chose to go back home, because I didn't fit there.
The Minmatar in servitude have been living in the Empire their entire lives. Their families have been living in the Empire for generations. They aren't your people, no matter how much you want them to be. If slavery is a problem, then it's a problem for citizens of the Empire, not the Republic. So I'm a little confused on your timeline here, how long did you attend University in the Republic? Since when did the amarr empire start releasing amarr citizens to the Minmatar Republic? If you left as an emancipated slave how did you get the funds to become a capsuleer? Surely you didn't come to the Minmatar Republic to leech off of it to become a capsuleer because your masters would not pay for it? That would be foul indeed! The happy little slave who runs off to better herself to serve her masters, such an outlandish tale. Could you elaborate on the timeline a bit for clarity, and those pants are still on fire.
I attended for several years. I received student loans on merit of being an immigrant and testing positive for capsule-compatibility, and repaid these loans after graduation. Education placements were provided for many immigrant.
Why is my background is relevant to the discussion? |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1241
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:00:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Ava, you have just asked the Empire to hand you a brimming cup of poison. I understand your anger, Winds know I do, and I sympathise with it, but what you have just asked for will destroy the Matari far more surely than it would destroy the Empire.
Even if all those people could be gotten to Minmatar space, you would bury half of them within a year.
And the alternative? To be patient? To do nothing?
How long do people expect us to wait, exactly? "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1241
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:05:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:I would like to be done with all of you Amarrians, if a binding enforceable peace was signed tomorrow I'd like nothing better then to never see a one of you again.
Free all my people and I become a non-threat factor for the safety of Amarrian citizens. The stench of you will take decades to wash off, having to commit myself to a life of killing was not a choice, absent your horrific slavery empire, I would have selected for myself. Nonetheless I will use everyday of this long capsuleer life to exact whatever justice I can against any of you until an enforceable peace is signed, as little as that may be in the big scheme of things, it will be relentless. There was peace. The Republic broke it.
You people really dont get it do you?
Saying "Oh hey, we're sorry... but we're not doing anything whatsoever to make up for anything that we did, including the ONLY actual genocide in the modern era, and as a matter of fact, we're going to go ahead and keep on doing most of it" wasnt much of an attempt at ensuring peace lasted.
Shakor is a would be dictator who gained power in a coup. No more, no less. However, trying to blame everything that transpired on him alone is a work of arrogance and hubris only the Empire could manage with a straight face. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
111
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:48:00 -
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Other than, you know, taking Matari slaves from outside the Empire is now illegal, plus releasing all our ninth generation slaves... Plus our aid programs for the Matari. Quite a lot of 'not really doing anything' I'd say. Against that, we have to balance terrorist attacks. As said, I stopped caring about what we did to you thousands of years ago for my own reasons. I'm more concerned about what you're doing to us in the here and now. I can pull umpteen threats of violence and death directed towards my countrymen from the pages of this thread alone. Why, therefore, should the Amarrian people give the Matari anything without some kind of assurance at the very least that we're not going to be targeted as a "preemptive strike" in case the Amarrians ever return.
Why should We give you anything when you haven't offered something in return? Other than the 'we perhaps will not kill all your family' line that is. This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
259
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:00:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:I would like to be done with all of you Amarrians, if a binding enforceable peace was signed tomorrow I'd like nothing better then to never see a one of you again.
Free all my people and I become a non-threat factor for the safety of Amarrian citizens. The stench of you will take decades to wash off, having to commit myself to a life of killing was not a choice, absent your horrific slavery empire, I would have selected for myself. Nonetheless I will use everyday of this long capsuleer life to exact whatever justice I can against any of you until an enforceable peace is signed, as little as that may be in the big scheme of things, it will be relentless. There was peace. The Republic broke it. You people really dont get it do you? Saying "Oh hey, we're sorry... but we're not doing anything whatsoever to make up for anything that we did, including the ONLY actual genocide in the modern era, and as a matter of fact, we're going to go ahead and keep on doing most of it" wasnt much of an attempt at ensuring peace lasted. Shakor is a would be dictator who gained power in a coup. No more, no less. However, trying to blame everything that transpired on him alone is a work of arrogance and hubris only the Empire could manage with a straight face.
The Starkmanir issue happened before the Republic existed. Activities that did affect the Republic--such as foreign enslavement--were stopped after peace agreements were made. Slaves were released, some to the Republic.
I cannot think of an action the Empire made against the Republic during peacetime that would justify a breach of peace. |
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