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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:49:00 -
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Mining in space games has always been boring.
If a company actually developed a system which was fun, didn't get old after the first two sessions and was actually rewarding, it would still suck, because such a company would also be able to create a mermerizing combat system for the same game, and mining would be boring in comparison.
The best mining system I remember was from an old title, Colony Wars: Vengeance.
You basically used a "beam lance" to turn asteroids into crystals, which then you proceeded to capture with a hook/cable, and then you towed the ****ing thing to the proper hangar manually.
Good times. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16735
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:57:00 -
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GǪso it's like everything else in X:R GÇö the same as before, but with more visual bling to make up for lost complexity? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MAJESTIC DOPE
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪso it's like everything else in X:R GÇö the same as before, but with more visual bling to make up for lost complexity?
LOL YOU REALLY DONT LIKE X REBIRTH OR SC
AM I RITE? |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
264
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:06:00 -
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Thread moved to OOPE. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4662
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪso it's like everything else in X:R GÇö the same as before, but with more visual bling to make up for lost complexity? I'd like some nice new jumping animations
Also a blingy and somewhat buggy launcher There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16735
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:11:00 -
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MAJESTIC DOPE wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso it's like everything else in X:R GÇö the same as before, but with more visual bling to make up for lost complexity? LOL YOU REALLY DONT LIKE X REBIRTH OR SC AM I RITE? Not having played them, I can't have an opinion either way.
I've enjoyed previous X-series and Chris Roberts games, but I have yet to see anything from X:R that makes it seem a step up. It looks more and more like Doom 3 to Doom 2 GÇö more visuals; less game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:19:00 -
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Ave Kathrina wrote:Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:Ave Kathrina wrote:You mean the bit where you give an order and walk away ?
Hooray for AFK Again, you must not mine, 2 hulks and a orca, your switching screens and dumping every minute. It's actually more work then :"Primary asshat1, secondary asshat2, primarary asshat1 secondary asshat2 " targete F1 repeat *yawn* Logged in right now with an orca, 3 mack and 2 retties.... If you think an orca and 2 hulks is busy.. well then you should go and count to potato
ISBoxing is just as bad as Botting, m'kay ??? Peter Marshall: In "Alice in Wonderland", who kept crying "I'm late, I'm late?"-á Paul Lynde: Alice, and her mother is sick about it. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
50955
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:21:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:I read the thread all the way to "intelligent miner". I deserve a prize. Only in the USA where they have the "no child left behind" policy under which even the illiterate students get reading awards. Even illiterate kids don't like mining.
You are just a terribad poaster. Peter Marshall: In "Alice in Wonderland", who kept crying "I'm late, I'm late?"-á Paul Lynde: Alice, and her mother is sick about it. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
50955
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:23:00 -
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Riyal wrote:Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:You must not be a miner. Try playing 2 Hulks and a Orca, That will keep you too busy to be bored I would say that using multiple accounts to stave off boredom whilst mining is a good indicator that it isn't very interesting.
I thought the point of EVE was player created dynamics. Seems to be working just fine as intended actually. Peter Marshall: In "Alice in Wonderland", who kept crying "I'm late, I'm late?"-á Paul Lynde: Alice, and her mother is sick about it. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
50955
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:23:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:So miners are not entertained? Here is a wonderful solution: with mining laser break asteroid to hundreds small scattering pieces that you have to catch with mouse clicks. Sounds fun.
It would probably make mining a lot faster if you think about it. Peter Marshall: In "Alice in Wonderland", who kept crying "I'm late, I'm late?"-á Paul Lynde: Alice, and her mother is sick about it. |
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
2214
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:05:00 -
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Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:Ave Kathrina wrote:You mean the bit where you give an order and walk away ?
Hooray for AFK Again, you must not mine, 2 hulks and a orca, your switching screens and dumping every minute. It's actually more work then :"Primary asshat1, secondary asshat2, primarary asshat1 secondary asshat2 " targete F1 repeat *yawn*
Dear god, you're switching screens and moving an icon from one bay to another every 60 seconds? How do you not lose it under all that pressure mon! Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1000
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:29:00 -
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Regarding OP-¦s video
Totally mind blown, I have loved the X-Series for quite a while, confessing the first time I bought anything in STEAM was X3 and for a full whopping 60$ several years ago. Hours upon hours of fun.
Have been out of touch of gaming lately due to RL but X-Rebirth looks simply too great!
I need more! MUCH MORE of IT! I know EVE has almost ZERO npc traffic in space for lag issues, but what I love about the X-Series is how space near stations and gates looks so alive EVERYWHERE. In EVE unless you close to a trading hub is a desert.
I usually pick secluded areas for play , but I wish stations spawned more than just a small transport ship train that gets destroyed sometimes by a random pirate frig. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16739
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:52:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:I know EVE has almost ZERO npc traffic in space for lag issues, but what I love about the X-Series is how space near stations and gates looks so alive EVERYWHERE. In EVE unless you close to a trading hub is a desert. A lot of that has to do with how ridiculously compressed space in the X-series has always been.
I mean, look at the standard grid in X3. The amount of stations and ship and random space junk asteroids that for some reason hovers just about planetary orbitGǪ
It looks good, but it doesn't make much sense if you remember how empty space is, and how much distance there is even between GÇ£closeGÇ¥ locations. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
874
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:29:00 -
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freelancer & I-war were the same as scenery it helps with the immersion, but I guess there are aspects to SP economies that don't scale into mmo turf very well
at least in eve we're not the chosen who alone can save the universe from destruction |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
66003
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:20:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:at least in eve we're not the chosen who alone can save the universe from destruction
You we're not???
The way people act in GD youd think they were the second coming or something who alone have knowledge to save eve from destruction. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
53
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:57:00 -
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Nothing big changes after x years in EvE minining visual aspecst, still the same simple things ( lazor bzzz bzzz bzzzzzz)
Why ? Well new games are based on new grafic engines etc, espetialy single player games... EvE is 10 year old SF mmo. As we all know online games like EvE are designed for masses this mean, low grafic and less arcade-interactivr things, much less as single player games etc.
Its all depend game engine, devs ideas - goals - devs and player needs - serwer efficienty etc. If it bleed we can kill it. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2048
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:10:00 -
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Oxylan wrote:Nothing big changes after x years in EvE minining visual aspecst, still the same simple things ( lazor bzzz bzzz bzzzzzz)
Why ? Well new games are based on new grafic engines etc, espetialy single player games... EvE is 10 year old SF mmo. As we all know online games like EvE are designed for masses this mean, low grafic and less arcade-interactivr things, much less as single player games etc.
Its all depend game engine, devs ideas - goals - devs and player needs - serwer efficienty etc.
Well, the X series is 15 years old, and Rebirth uses DirectX 9.0.
And yes, you read that correctly. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
915
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:00:00 -
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Mining in low sec can be fun if you roll solo or truly small group it.
Mara Rinn wrote:Two things that X does differently in mining, if you look at just the process rather than the mechanics:
- Asteroid fields are huge
- Asteroid fields are full of junk
The asteroid fields in X Rebirth are huge: the guy says that you will save time picking out just the most valuable rocks. In EVE, a typical asteroid field in hisec will fill an Orca or two. This represents about an hour of effort for a small mining fleet, and the effort of picking out just the most valuable rocks is not worth the return over simply vacuuming up the entire belt. There is also a lot of junk in X Rebirth, as opposed to EVE. The asteroids in EVE will tend towards being equal in value in terms of ISK/hr since many miners will be mining only the ore that is most valuable per unit volume. To balance this out, CCP could remove the asteroid type from the overview, and add lots of junk. So rather than seeing "Asteroid (Veldspar)" you would simply see "Asteroid". Some of the asteroids will be "Gneiss" while others will be "Flawed Gneiss" (a Gneiss-type asteroid whose ore refines to nothing, or is un-refinable). So by making asteroid belts huge and adding lots of "junk" asteroids, the intelligent miner who surveys the field first and then picks the most valuable asteroids to mine will be rewarded for paying attention. The "Hoover fleets" will become less profitable because they will be vacuuming up lots of junk. Ideally belts would respawn randomly, rather than having the same asteroid reappearing in the same spot. This would prevent people bookmarking points from where to cherry-pick the very best rocks in a belt immediately after each downtime. We don't need first-person-shooter style mining in EVE, but X Rebirth does have some great ideas on how to make interactive mining more rewarding, and especially rewarding for fleets who have a mixture of surveyors and miners.
Definitely worth quoting.
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Remiel Pollard
A Powerful Lowsec Corporation
1970
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Posted - 2013.11.26 13:11:00 -
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HAHAHAHA!!!
X-Rebirth = total fail You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2579
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Posted - 2013.11.26 13:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:HAHAHAHA!!!
X-Rebirth = total fail
Give them 6 months. Egosoft and the modding community always deliver. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
1369
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:26:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:I need more! MUCH MORE of IT! I know EVE has almost ZERO npc traffic in space for lag issues, but what I love about the X-Series is how space near stations and gates looks so alive EVERYWHERE. In EVE unless you close to a trading hub is a desert. "Business" NPC traffic is amazing. I hope to see something like that in persistent universes in Star Citizen and Elite (Rebirth is a bit disappointing to play atm) |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
232
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:53:00 -
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Can't be bothered to do more than skim through the OP and a few posts. Just wanted to weigh in here. I've had X Rebirth for around 2 weeks now. It's nearly unplayable. It's a damn shame. This game had such potential. That's all. |
Matokin Lemant
3138
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Posted - 2013.12.15 01:02:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Isnt that game like um.... single player anyway Yes it is. I t also is innovative despite the franchise being 15 years old, it's daring and ambitious despite it's made by a studio 1/10th the size of CCP, it aims to offer a full experience in a compelling SF universe, and it can easily eat hundreds of hours in comfortable slices between RL chore #1 and RL chore #2 without punishing you for it. All the above, quite unlike EVEr The Same.
Exactly a different type of game with a different style/type of game play.
X Rebirth is not EvE and EvE is not X Rebirth |
Qaidan Alenko
Eezo-Lution Inc.
12754
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Posted - 2013.12.15 05:06:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Greenmachine Sale wrote:
also inb4 like whores
You......rang ? Hush you... hooker. Go ahead... Get your-áWham on!!! |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2760
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Posted - 2013.12.15 08:32:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Can't be bothered to do more than skim through the OP and a few posts. Just wanted to weigh in here. I've had X Rebirth for around 2 weeks now. It's nearly unplayable. It's a damn shame. This game had such potential. That's all.
Keep updating it, or just wait a few months until there is a clear judgement of what can be fixed through modding and what is hardcode-broken. The spirits still are high, as all in all the X series as a cult game make EVE look mainstream, because bearing with Egosoft's trainwreck launches takes a lot of faith.
Honestly, I expected a much worse community status than it actually is, and many talented modders are working hard to dig out the magnificent game that is hidden behind what Egosoft was able to deliver.
There's only so much you can ask from a company smaller than CCP's WoD team.
BTW, anyone interested, here is the official progression thread: http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=352790
Patch 1.19 was released successfully and 1.20 is looking good although a expected feature has been delayed due to unforeseen issues. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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