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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.30 06:26:00 -
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Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:Malrikk wrote:As I'm sure you're all aware, come Rubicon they're adding a new heavy assault launcher for battleship class ships. (Battleship like DPS in a fast heavy launcher, to fight small to medium ships, but not quite cruise missile DPS in their words.)
How do you feel this will effect the Tengu in missions and PvP? Will the Raven completely eclipse it? Let's see ... the Raven is a big, slow battleship. The Tengu is a cruiser with the ability to fit subsystems that enable it to zip around with relative ease in areas where a mission-fit Raven would last three seconds. So, no. Even after all these nerfs that Baltec is dying for, strategic cruisers will be useful for something.
Raven aligns faster than a drake, just saying.
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
338
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Posted - 2013.09.30 06:44:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Caldari battleships are getting a buff (confirmed), and Tengus are all but getting a nerf (hinted). I'd say game, set and match. It's not just tengus, I surmise that all t3 are going to be hit with the nerf bat, as certain configurations can be well op.
3 will as Legions are already ****. |
Tsunamicom
KnightWolf Corporation
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:09:00 -
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Looking forward to seeing how they turn out... |
brutalbutneutral
Prepare To Meet Thy Doom
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:32:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Malrikk wrote:As I'm sure you're all aware, come Rubicon they're adding a new heavy assault launcher for battleship class ships. (Battleship like DPS in a fast heavy launcher, to fight small to medium ships, but not quite cruise missile DPS in their words.)
How do you feel this will effect the Tengu in missions and PvP? Will the Raven completely eclipse it? The Raven already applies more effective DPS than the Tengu. Nothing about the Raven is changing that will alter the balance between Raven and Tengu for mission-running: it's still a slow, clumsy steamroller. Now it will likely have better survivability against smaller targets, but it will no doubt lose some DPS in the bargain.
These are good arguments. If the DPS stays the same with the new launcher it's way overpowered and nothing will beat it except 1600 goons in megathrons blaping. |
Mike Whiite
Cupid Stunts. The Wolfpack Nexus
223
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:40:00 -
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I like to see that Raven passing gates in low and 0.0 sec.
not to mention with that Space yurt that they anounched you'll be able to refit your tengu in deep space an able to adjust to close to any situation.
Rapid heavy missile laucher might give the missile BS the brea to be usefull in small gang pvp.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
527
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:12:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Malrikk wrote:As I'm sure you're all aware, come Rubicon they're adding a new heavy assault launcher for battleship class ships. (Battleship like DPS in a fast heavy launcher, to fight small to medium ships, but not quite cruise missile DPS in their words.)
How do you feel this will effect the Tengu in missions and PvP? Will the Raven completely eclipse it? The Raven already applies more effective DPS than the Tengu. Nothing about the Raven is changing that will alter the balance between Raven and Tengu for mission-running: it's still a slow, clumsy steamroller. Now it will likely have better survivability against smaller targets, but it will no doubt lose some DPS in the bargain. These are good arguments. If the DPS stays the same with the new launcher it's way overpowered and nothing will beat it except 1600 goons in megathrons blaping.
Lol what?
A raven without range.....OP? Are you serious? Have you ever flown this hull?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4659
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:18:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Malrikk wrote:As I'm sure you're all aware, come Rubicon they're adding a new heavy assault launcher for battleship class ships. (Battleship like DPS in a fast heavy launcher, to fight small to medium ships, but not quite cruise missile DPS in their words.)
How do you feel this will effect the Tengu in missions and PvP? Will the Raven completely eclipse it? The Raven already applies more effective DPS than the Tengu. Nothing about the Raven is changing that will alter the balance between Raven and Tengu for mission-running: it's still a slow, clumsy steamroller. Now it will likely have better survivability against smaller targets, but it will no doubt lose some DPS in the bargain. These are good arguments. If the DPS stays the same with the new launcher it's way overpowered and nothing will beat it except 1600 goons in megathrons blaping. Why wouldn't you have 1600 goons using the overpowered ship? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
baltec1
Bat Country
8112
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:24:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:brutalbutneutral wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Malrikk wrote:As I'm sure you're all aware, come Rubicon they're adding a new heavy assault launcher for battleship class ships. (Battleship like DPS in a fast heavy launcher, to fight small to medium ships, but not quite cruise missile DPS in their words.)
How do you feel this will effect the Tengu in missions and PvP? Will the Raven completely eclipse it? The Raven already applies more effective DPS than the Tengu. Nothing about the Raven is changing that will alter the balance between Raven and Tengu for mission-running: it's still a slow, clumsy steamroller. Now it will likely have better survivability against smaller targets, but it will no doubt lose some DPS in the bargain. These are good arguments. If the DPS stays the same with the new launcher it's way overpowered and nothing will beat it except 1600 goons in megathrons blaping. Why wouldn't you have 1600 goons using the overpowered ship?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11902
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:47:00 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:It's about time really. Battleships should do more damage than cruisers. It's 2 ship sizes up. It's also about time these Tech 3 FoTM people start looking at other ships.
Don't worry though, your beloved Tengu isn't being touched. There are many other ships that already do more damage than Tengus in PvE content anyway, I don't really see the problem.
Er, the Raven easily outdamages a Tengu.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11902
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:48:00 -
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unidenify wrote:it is my opinion that pure DPS race for sub-capital ships should have in following 1st Marauder 2nd BS 3rd HAC 4th T3
Cruiser that is specialization for dps should outdps Cruiser that is designed to be jack of all trade
Where do battlecruisers fit into these schema?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11908
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Posted - 2013.09.30 08:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It won't affect the Tengu in the slightest since it's a battleship module.
Ok, maybe a bit in PvP, where it'll be a weapon that can hit the Tengu with at least some precision, but mehGǪ
PvP Tengus die pretty well to several weapon systems already.
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Liafcipe9000
Frankenmouse Inc Frankenmouse
10710
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:24:00 -
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hardly, the Raven can't have as much buffer and as good of a resist map as the tengu. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:13:00 -
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unidenify wrote:it is my opinion that pure DPS race for sub-capital ships should have in following 1st Marauder 2nd BS 3rd HAC 4th T3 Cruiser that is specialization for dps should outdps Cruiser that is designed to be jack of all trade I can get behind this. There is no reason a T3 should outdamage a HAC. Personally, I would like to see battlecruisers between HAC and T3 cruisers. I think all in all, T3 cruisers in general are just a little too strong.
Malcanis wrote:Er, the Raven easily outdamages a Tengu. That's not accurate at all. That depends largely on what you're shooting. The raw dps numbers are in favor of the Tengu, applied DPS the cruise missiles would do better on large targets, while the Tengu would be considerably faster on smaller ships.
I wouldn't say the Raven 'easily' outdamages the Tengu. If we take a large selection of different sized ships and see who can chew through those the fastest, I would say it'll be very much equal. If you say the Raven 'easily' outdamages the Tengu, my question to you is, where are those numbers??
running some fits through Pyfa and EFT, it would appear that the Raven only starts pulling ahead when the signature radius exceeds 280m. Basically meaning that the only time a Raven would do more applied damage, is when shooting a select few BC,s and all BS.
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Spurty
982
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:37:00 -
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
869
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:39:00 -
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If it is, why is that a problem ?
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Clue 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:42:00 -
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Malrikk wrote:As I'm sure you're all aware, come Rubicon they're adding a new heavy assault launcher for battleship class ships. (Battleship like DPS in a fast heavy launcher, to fight small to medium ships, but not quite cruise missile DPS in their words.)
How do you feel this will effect the Tengu in missions and PvP? Will the Raven completely eclipse it? What there are more ships in this game than the Tengu and the Raven?! *gasp* Who would of thought of that having more than 2 ships in a "spaceship game" I'm only on this because my main, Tron 3K, is banned till 9/30/2013! Don't give me any likes! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16719
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tippia wrote:It won't affect the Tengu in the slightest since it's a battleship module.
Ok, maybe a bit in PvP, where it'll be a weapon that can hit the Tengu with at least some precision, but mehGǪ PvP Tengus die pretty well to several weapon systems already. Hence GǣmehGǥ.
Aivo Dresden wrote:That's not accurate at all. That depends largely on what you're shooting. The raw dps numbers are in favor of the Tengu, applied DPS-wise the cruise missiles would do better on large targets, while the Tengu would be considerably faster on smaller ships. That doesn't make sense. If the Tengu has more DPS, then it will be better applied against larger targets too, since there is no damage reduction when you up in target sizes.
What you mean is that the raw DPS numbers are in favour of the Raven, which means the cruises provide better applied damage against larger targets. In other words, the Raven easily outdamages the Tengu, as your own numbers show. Funnily enough, the Raven can often be better against smaller targets too, since medium missiles aren't all that good against frigates, whereas the Raven has drones to deal with thoseGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
821
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:35:00 -
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Literally the only thing a Raven and a Tengu have in common is that they are both Caldari...
Twist and turn it anyway you like, how can a Battleship *outclass* a shiptype that was made to have a broad array of options to its disposal? BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1239
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:03:00 -
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Malrikk wrote:As I'm sure you're all aware, come Rubicon they're adding a new heavy assault launcher for battleship class ships. (Battleship like DPS in a fast heavy launcher, to fight small to medium ships, but not quite cruise missile DPS in their words.)
How do you feel this will effect the Tengu in missions and PvP? Will the Raven completely eclipse it?
A battleship doing battleship DPS?? -really?
This is good. And if Tengu it stays like it is now (which I strongly doubt because of so much bullies hate) it will still be a fantastic tool to achieve many things you can't do or requires more effort to with a battleship.
Battleship = moneymaker (bounties+LP)
Tengu = blitzer = LPs (as Machs also but it's another thread)
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:What you mean is that the raw DPS numbers are in favour of the Raven, which means the cruises provide better applied damage against larger targets. In other words, the Raven easily outdamages the Tengu, as your own numbers show. Funnily enough, the Raven can often be better against smaller targets too, since medium missiles aren't all that good against frigates, whereas the Raven has drones to deal with thoseGǪ
I worded that wrong yes. I also didn't consider drone damage. I look forward to the changes though. I think these launchers are a great addition. |
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Ryhss
Dry Atomic Fusion Gatekeepers Universe
108
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:03:00 -
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Clue 3K wrote:Malrikk wrote:As I'm sure you're all aware, come Rubicon they're adding a new heavy assault launcher for battleship class ships. (Battleship like DPS in a fast heavy launcher, to fight small to medium ships, but not quite cruise missile DPS in their words.)
How do you feel this will effect the Tengu in missions and PvP? Will the Raven completely eclipse it? What there are more ships in this game than the Tengu and the Raven?! *gasp* Who would of thought of that having more than 2 ships in a "spaceship game" I love my Caldari Shuttle.... I have been known to spam trade windows with spammers of Jita. It is quite satisfying when they convo you screaming about reporting me for it. It normally provokes me to open another trade window with them. |
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