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Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.09.29 14:33:00 -
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Hello everyone,
My name is Vixen. I'm the owner of a small web development company. I have a vision for eve online that I'd like to bring to life. I'll spare you guys the long essay, and show pictures instead.
http://i.imgur.com/mprVyuF.png
http://i.imgur.com/wUpppIO.png
http://i.imgur.com/rZKy4u7.png
http://i.imgur.com/HZKulhR.png
http://i.imgur.com/PZKNBtH.png
If any alliance CEO's are interested in this venture, you can respond here or email me at [email protected]. I can also provide a portfolio of my companies past work, and demonstrate competence with the EVE api.
I may still create this if noone is interested, and sell it on monthly payments. Eve online is all about organizing people and getting things done. This system will make it so efficient, that users of this system will be at a great advantage, and CEO's will find management of their alliance much less time consuming.
Thanks,
Vixen SoulCreative
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9177
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:03:00 -
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Every alliance that can afford to pay you 100bn already has their own solution that does exactly that. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2075
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:38:00 -
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Hah, I was about to say... this looks familiar. |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:40:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Hah, I was about to say... this looks familiar.
Don't bother posting. Offer removed. SoulCreative
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2075
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:42:00 -
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I'm not trying to discourage you, but you really have recreated an interface that a lot of the larger coalitions already use. Snip out the coalition section, lower the price and sell it to the smaller alliances who's IT infrastructure consists of whatever free guild pages they can get. |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:48:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:I'm not trying to discourage you, but you really have recreated an interface that a lot of the larger coalitions already use. Snip out the coalition section, lower the price and sell it to the smaller alliances who's IT infrastructure consists of whatever free guild pages they can get.
This is much different. Can you tell me of a coalition management system that you know of that calculates player contribution to their corp, alliance, and coalition, and ranks top contributing players by order? This will encourage players to contribute. They will get recognition for their contribution to the corp./alliance/coalition regarless of how quiet or shy they are. This will motivate people.
Also, what about the democracy? The contribution rating allows players who contribute more to have more say in the direction of the corp/alliance/coalition. I don't know of this system existing already.
I'm sure an event system, and a fitting management system already exists though. I plan to make it anyway, though. SoulCreative
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:05:00 -
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Sorry but this made me laugh a bit.
Please elaborate how you want to messerize how much someone contributes to the alliance. |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:45:00 -
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You can have a look when I finish :P SoulCreative
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:57:00 -
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Well if you do this only to earn isk with it and not just for the fun creating such a system (and wouldn't care when nobody wants it) you should try to get in touch with people that actually manage large alliances/coalitions and try to get some information out of them.
Because it would be a shame if this ended as a system that works in way how the eve-o forums thinks the alliances work, wouldn't it? |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:16:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Well if you do this only to earn isk with it and not just for the fun creating such a system (and wouldn't care when nobody wants it) you should try to get in touch with people that actually manage large alliances/coalitions and try to get some information out of them. Because it would be a shame if this ended as a system that works in way how the eve-o forums thinks the alliances work, wouldn't it?
You're right. What I need is a single alliance that will work with me through the development process. If you find one let me know. Someone is letting me use their Corp API right now, but I have yet to find an active alliance who trust me. The problem is that I'm not a big player of this game. I have 20m SP but I really just enjoy playing with the API and perhaps the little sandbox society is nice too.
Until I find an alliance who will work with me, all I can do go with what my idea of a successful alliance would want. I have ran a corp before actually. It had 40 members, and we were miners. Also, I've been leader of some of the biggest linkshells/guilds in several mmorpgs when I was younger and enjoyed burning away my hours making no progress in life. :P So from that I do have some experience in how these things work. The reason my linkshell in FFXIV was so successful is becsaue we developed a website with an event system.
The thing about Humans is that they are stupid. They don't realize it, but we really are. And so that go about their daily lives, and if that includes EVE online, then they will login, and ask themselves "what am I going to do?", and if something is going on, they will do it. If it's boring, then they might go do something else, and you will find they lose interest, and stop playing.
I don't want to go into too much philosophy, but I believe in a higher consciousness. We are all that higher consciousness. We are simply seperated by our different perspectives in the 4 dimensions. Obviously we're mosting in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd lol. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that as living beings, we are all brothers and sisters who exist in this point of time and we seem to enjoy each other's company. I think it's becsaue we evolved into a clan based society. Society has basicly blown up technolgoicaly since than in such a way that we simply haven't had time to adapt.
So we want to play together. We want excuses to build relationships with each other. We want to be a part of something in the consciousness of Humanity because that consciousness is us.
Our event system will allow leaders and officers to create events. They will be able to make requests for certain builds for the event, and a certain number of members, and even RSVP certain slots in the event for key players. This event will then be posted, and all members will have an opportunity to RSVP. What this is means is that your players now have a purpose. A reason to be excited because at 8pm tomorrow, they know they are going to get to participate in an event which in the past has proved very enjoyable.
Now I realize an event system is nothing new. People have it in their forums I think, perhaps there is an app on enjin or whatever free web builder they have for this. But, I haven't seen anything that I don't think can be heavily improved on. Both in user convenience, ease of interface, and the sophistication of the tool.
Earlier I spoke about the event system and the ability for an officer or leader to set up an event. What I didn't mention is that the officer doesn't need to say right away which roles will be used. Instead, the officer can wait until the user RSVP's, and then look through the user's list of fittings, and the locations of his ship and his self. You will be able to select the ship and fitting you would like the member to bring. You will also have a hint at which ship the user prefers.
So not only will this system be easy to use and convenient and quick, but by making the system mainstream and a requirement of all members, it will provide a true framework that can structure the coalition. It will facilitate communication. It will reward and recognize commitment. And most importantly it will unite people, and that's really what we all want I think :P
I could go on all day about the features, but I'm actually in the process of programming the authentication system right now, so I can talk or I can work. :P I guess I should get to work lol SoulCreative
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:38:00 -
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Finding an alliance that will work with you to acomplish this will be hard to impossible I guess.
Maybe the best aproach for you would be to try to join a big alliance (with an alt if you don't want to use your main) and see how stuff works there as a simple member. This could give you some new insights to help you design your software.
But to say some more words on the topic I originaly interjected with. Its really hard to messure the contribution of people automatically. Because people can contribute on a lot of diffrent ways to your group. This could be kills or fleet participation which both are easy to track, or spending time managing your towers, or scouting, or even just by motivating others, being active in your community and creating an atmosphere where everyone has fun. In the end it all depends on what the allaince wants and thinks is important for them. |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:45:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Finding an alliance that will work with you to acomplish this will be hard to impossible I guess.
Maybe the best aproach for you would be to try to join a big alliance (with an alt if you don't want to use your main) and see how stuff works there as a simple member. This could give you some new insights to help you design your software.
But to say some more words on the topic I original interjected with. Its really hard to measure the contribution of people automatically. Because people can contribute on a lot of different ways to your group. This could be kills or fleet participation which both are easy to track, or spending time managing your towers, or scouting, or even just by motivating others, being active in your community and creating an atmosphere where everyone has fun. In the end it all depends on what the alliance wants and thinks is important for them.
Well, we can certainly measure a user's financial contribution, and we can certainly measure how many hours they are dedicating online. We also have event records to know participation rates. We can see kills for the user as well. There are lots of way to see that a user is contributing. It might not be perfect, but it will give a pretty good general idea. There is also the market tracker that will reward market pilots with contribution for fulfilling coalition buy order requests. Fully automated btw. There will be a ratting system as well that tracks what rats you've killed, bounties, contribution to the corp (from taxes). I plan to use this data to the full extent of it's ability. Going to give it a super futuristic theme too. hehe
My goal for this tool is to be more than simply a system. Users will leave it open in their browser. They will chat with their mates from work. They will plan their SP. This is a tool to unite a coalition both in and out of the game. And user interface will be our number one priority. It will be fast, easy to use, you won't ever need to press refresh. It's going to be the sum of everything I've learned in web development thus far. SoulCreative
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helios aplha
Impact Theory WHY so Seri0Us
1
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:37:00 -
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iv got a question why did you open multipal threads? |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:40:00 -
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helios aplha wrote:iv got a question why did you open multipal threads?
Not many people view this section of the forum. SoulCreative
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
340
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:52:00 -
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I've got a question.
Why didn't you post it where more people read it then ? |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:05:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote: I've got a question.
Why didn't you post it where more people read it then ?
I did. I posted it in both threads. Do you even care about this project, or are you just bored, and so you feel the need to police the forum looking for injustices? SoulCreative
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helios aplha
Impact Theory WHY so Seri0Us
1
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:08:00 -
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well have you spoken to ccp yet as they weren't too happy about your wording on things, and they tend to ban when there not happy about things, especially when you mention your company and anything that sounded like RMT as its a serious nono
i do wish you luck though, especially as im in the process of making something similar, although specifically for whyso and what we need
il will throw this out there, if you had made intial foundation like i said before aswell as those drawings you'd have a steady income by now
- another thing i read that you tried this before a year ago, the fact you tried that and still have nothing to show apart from pictures which take 30mins tops to do is also why no one took a bite, pitty really as id have helped |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2078
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:01:00 -
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Vixen Soul wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:I'm not trying to discourage you, but you really have recreated an interface that a lot of the larger coalitions already use. Snip out the coalition section, lower the price and sell it to the smaller alliances who's IT infrastructure consists of whatever free guild pages they can get. This is much different. Can you tell me of a coalition management system that you know of that calculates player contribution to their corp, alliance, and coalition, and ranks top contributing players by order? This will encourage players to contribute. They will get recognition for their contribution to the corp./alliance/coalition regarless of how quiet or shy they are. This will motivate people. Also, what about the democracy? The contribution rating allows players who contribute more to have more say in the direction of the corp/alliance/coalition. I don't know of this system existing already. I'm sure an event system, and a fitting management system already exists though. I plan to make it anyway, though.
Yes, ours does that. We aren't interested in ISK metrics but we measure instead fleet participation metrics down to the player level. The FC posts a link in the fleet, fleet members click it and our service memorizes that they were there and participating and then graphs it out for the leadership to review later. It goes much deeper than that, but that's a quick synopsis. In the long run if I'm out and about lighting Cyno's for cap fleet... that contribution is known and marked by automated systems.
Democracy has largely failed in Eve online, the system that seems to fair the best in the long run is autocracy. By weighting votes to a system that measures contribution you could easily allow idiots like Gevlon Goblin to basically run your alliance simply because they understand how to game market systems. We succeed because we put the person who is best at delegation and organization in charge. Not the guy who has the deepest pockets. It's different skillsets really. |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:09:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Vixen Soul wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:I'm not trying to discourage you, but you really have recreated an interface that a lot of the larger coalitions already use. Snip out the coalition section, lower the price and sell it to the smaller alliances who's IT infrastructure consists of whatever free guild pages they can get. This is much different. Can you tell me of a coalition management system that you know of that calculates player contribution to their corp, alliance, and coalition, and ranks top contributing players by order? This will encourage players to contribute. They will get recognition for their contribution to the corp./alliance/coalition regarless of how quiet or shy they are. This will motivate people. Also, what about the democracy? The contribution rating allows players who contribute more to have more say in the direction of the corp/alliance/coalition. I don't know of this system existing already. I'm sure an event system, and a fitting management system already exists though. I plan to make it anyway, though. Yes, ours does that. We aren't interested in ISK metrics but we measure instead fleet participation metrics down to the player level. The FC posts a link in the fleet, fleet members click it and our service memorizes that they were there and participating and then graphs it out for the leadership to review later. It goes much deeper than that, but that's a quick synopsis. In the long run if I'm out and about lighting Cyno's for cap fleet... that contribution is known and marked by automated systems. Democracy has largely failed in Eve online, the system that seems to fair the best in the long run is autocracy. By weighting votes to a system that measures contribution you could easily allow idiots like Gevlon Goblin to basically run your alliance simply because they understand how to game market systems. We succeed because we put the person who is best at delegation and organization in charge. Not the guy who has the deepest pockets. It's different skillsets really.
Who says contribution has to be linked to someone's rank? Contribution is a way for people to feel like they get some sort of recognition for their contribution. It's so that the quiet people can feel some sort of recognition.
That's good it sounds like GoonSwarm has a good system. In a couple months, all corps will have that sort of system available to them.
SoulCreative
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2078
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:13:00 -
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That's why I was suggesting you aim lower. Most of the big alliances/coalitions have something similar to what we have already. I think it honestly sometimes comes as a shock to many highsec players just how much in services is required to keep a coalition alive.
We have an entire IT team. We have our own software development group (Garpa). We have more servers than many medium sized businesses. We have a really ****** killboard despite all of this.
I know for a fact TEST alliance has a really slick group that does similar work, and I'd be absolutely shocked if N3 didn't as well. |
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Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:21:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:That's why I was suggesting you aim lower. Most of the big alliances/coalitions have something similar to what we have already. I think it honestly sometimes comes as a shock to many highsec players just how much in services is required to keep a coalition alive.
We have an entire IT team. We have our own software development group (Garpa). We have more servers than many medium sized businesses. We have a really ****** killboard despite all of this.
I know for a fact TEST alliance has a really slick group that does similar work, and I'd be absolutely shocked if N3 didn't as well.
The thing is, I'm not part of some big alliance. So I choose to make the system, and make it public for everyone. Why should only the richest alliances get the logistical benefits of an alliance & coalition management system? Competition is good. It will be good for the game. I believe by allowing corps to use a system of this level of sophistication and ability to facilitate organization and relationships, corps will find themselves much more capable of competing in this game, and they will have more fun in the doing so.
All GoonSwarm is- is a successful alliance in recruiting the faceless masses. There are alliances out there who have history together, but don't want to be sell-outs and go join the big alliances. Why should they be at a disadvantage? Eve is a game for everyone. SoulCreative
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Johnathan Severasse
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:03:00 -
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http://eve-corp-management.org/ |
Vixen Soul
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
190
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:19:00 -
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Johnathan Severasse wrote:http://eve-corp-management.org/
This is nowhere near at the same level of sophistication I have planned. Let's just wait until I have a prototype to continue this discussion. SoulCreative
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
859
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Posted - 2013.10.04 12:23:00 -
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Do post it here. Eventhough CVA doesnt need anything, Im just curious as to see what you end up making. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
61
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:35:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:That's why I was suggesting you aim lower. Most of the big alliances/coalitions have something similar to what we have already. I think it honestly sometimes comes as a shock to many highsec players just how much in services is required to keep a coalition alive.
We have an entire IT team. We have our own software development group (Garpa). We have more servers than many medium sized businesses. We have a really ****** killboard despite all of this.
I know for a fact TEST alliance has a really slick group that does similar work, and I'd be absolutely shocked if N3 didn't as well. This.
Most people would be shocked when they see how much IT infrastructure and custom software tools are build in the diffrent huge alliances in eve. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4685
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:47:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:We have an entire IT team. We have our own software development group (Garpa). We have more servers than many medium sized businesses. We have a really ****** killboard despite all of this. The killboard is there to punish you for... dying? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
1560
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:25:00 -
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I might be willing to help the OP if she renounces her bot aspirant ways and embraces James 315 as the true saviour of highsec. Although, I am currently shopping around for alliances as the one I recently left mysteriously imploded after others in leadership decided to go up against some friends of the CFC. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1531
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:46:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Do post it here. Eventhough CVA doesnt need anything, Im just curious as to see what you end up making.
Seeing he tried to sell the same things last year without having anything actually to sell be sure to have a lot of patience .. you'll have to wait a few years before you even see anything resembling a prototype.
Also i find it funny OP how you mock the tools currently available yet those tools HAVE been produced.So far over the course of years all you produced was air , and you where trying to sell it off for WAY more then those tools you like to talk down on .... what an achievement .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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