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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:44:00 -
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Smart people learn from observing the mistakes of others - and don't repeat them...
Just an informational message that I hope CCP devs listen to: The Devs at Diablo III have decided that the auction houses (fake gold and Real Money) are ruining the core game and have slated both versions of the auction houses to be shut off in about 6 months. Link.
Now, you have to realize that Blizzard gets 15% of all real money transactions - which you would think is a powerful incentive to keep those "features" intact. But the Dev team essentially stated that the auction houses have turned into a Pay2Win mechanism that is ruining the game, so much so that are willing to give up that 15% hard cash flow in lieu of a more player driven economy. This is the way it has been traditionally done. Like in Diablo II when the players stopped using gold and started using Stones of Jordan as currency - the players changed the in-game currency !!!
As CCP re-engineers the game with various expansions, I hope they learn from the lesson that Blizzard has learned the hard way. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
824
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:51:00 -
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YEAH CCP! This new Incarna expansion is really pissing everyone off! BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Schmata Bastanold
The brothers inc WHYS0 Expendable
1002
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:55:00 -
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And how it is relevant to anything in current Eve? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
972
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:56:00 -
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diablo 3 was an online game...? This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Jessica Aubari
South West Trading
1
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:57:00 -
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OH MY GOD my time travel machine works, i actually traveled back in time, HOLY **** |
Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
17
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:31:00 -
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I agree, lets hope CCP gets rid of PLEXes. I am tired of all you dirty freeloaders playing this game!!! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6037
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:02:00 -
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Yeah CCP ! See what you did to Diablo III?!?!??! You totally ruined that game you have nothing to do with!
For shame!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
56
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:14:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:diablo 3 was an online game...?
Yes.
Not in a massively-online way or in a persistent-world way... but an internet connection is required, you have to log in through your battle.net account, and then you have the option of playing solo, playing multi-player with a couple of friends, or finding 1-3 random strangers to play with. And, obviously, the gold and cash auction houses were shared online features.
It is also linked to Blizzard's other games (Starcraft and WoW) for chat functionality.
The joys of having a teenager in the house with a short game attention span... all that research to set up an account that he uses for a whole month. |
Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
86
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:33:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:diablo 3 was an online game...?
Considering you could not play it unless you were connected to the Innerwebs....
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5816
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:44:00 -
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Artimis Scout wrote:I agree, lets hope CCP gets rid of PLEXes. I am tired of all you dirty freeloaders playing this game!!! Are you joking? Please tell me you're joking. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
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Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
17
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Artimis Scout wrote:I agree, lets hope CCP gets rid of PLEXes. I am tired of all you dirty freeloaders playing this game!!! Are you joking? Please tell me you're joking.
I've been reading these forums for to long, I can't even tell anymore. |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
806
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:45:00 -
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Well you can try path ox exile if d3 suck, and now serious nothing bad happens to EvE dont worry. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4660
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:48:00 -
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Artimis Scout wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Artimis Scout wrote:I agree, lets hope CCP gets rid of PLEXes. I am tired of all you dirty freeloaders playing this game!!! Are you joking? Please tell me you're joking. I've been reading these forums for to long, I can't even tell anymore. It's a confusing world out there There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1214
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:41:00 -
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PLEX = approved method for CCP to RMT on the back of players who have lots of time (pretty cool when you think about it)
P2W not yet in EVE but it's been threatening to appear for a while
Pay to create content. This is the, 'vanity is ok' argument. As far as I am concerned, vanity is content. Content should be created by players in the sandbox. If someone has time and the necessary effort then players should be able to, for example, create monocles that give bonuses then sell them for isk.
Hopefully the OP's evidence may help CCP down the path of fixing their game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16722
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:43:00 -
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Ah. What a wonderful mixture of old news and misunderstanding of business models and the mechanics of the EVE economy this is. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2288
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:22:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote: CCP is smart
Lol - two words: Incarna & Dust You know... morons. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2997
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Posted - 2013.10.01 00:54:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote: But the Dev team essentially stated that the auction houses have turned into a Pay2Win mechanism that is ruining the game, so much so that are willing to give up that 15% hard cash flow in lieu of a more player driven economy. This is the way it has been traditionally done.
Yeah nice spin they put on that.
The reality is that they are a corporation looking to sell a product. (The new expansion)
Their big bucks lawyers and consultants told them if they want to make money, they lose the auction houses. It has nothing whatsoever to do with players. It has everything to do with keeping a board of directors and a bunch of people holding voting stock placated.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4660
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:29:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Urgg Boolean wrote: But the Dev team essentially stated that the auction houses have turned into a Pay2Win mechanism that is ruining the game, so much so that are willing to give up that 15% hard cash flow in lieu of a more player driven economy. This is the way it has been traditionally done. Yeah nice spin they put on that. The reality is that they are a corporation looking to sell a product. (The new expansion) Their big bucks lawyers and consultants told them if they want to make money, they lose the auction houses. It has nothing whatsoever to do with players. It has everything to do with keeping a board of directors and a bunch of people holding voting stock placated. Very nice, right. Now they can sound like heros. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ivan Krividus
Straightedge and Compass Industrial
15
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:35:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Smart people learn from observing the mistakes of others - and don't repeat them... Just an informational message that I hope CCP devs listen to: The Devs at Diablo III have decided that the auction houses (fake gold and Real Money) are ruining the core game and have slated both versions of the auction houses to be shut off in about 6 months. Link.Now, you have to realize that Blizzard gets 15% of all real money transactions - which you would think is a powerful incentive to keep those "features" intact. But the Dev team essentially stated that the auction houses have turned into a Pay2Win mechanism that is ruining the game, so much so that are willing to give up that 15% hard cash flow in lieu of a more player driven economy. This is the way it has been traditionally done. Like in Diablo II when the players stopped using gold and started using Stones of Jordan as currency - the players changed the in-game currency !!! As CCP re-engineers the game with various expansions, I hope they learn from the lesson that Blizzard has learned the hard way. Well blizzard took a looooooooong time to learn their lesson, where so far it takes CCP about 24-72 hrs to oisten to their community which is why I have faith in them. I sometimes theorize that events such as the gold magnate crap are CCP deliberately trolling us.
Remember, EVE is a game about griefing, trolling, and most importantly, the harvesting of tears. When CCP does outlandish things like P2W or gold magnate debacle what they get in return is loads and loads of whining, qqing, and crying, which hypocritical whiners actually enjoy making fun of in-game.
So is CCP really going to make EVE p2w? Or is this them trolling and laughing at us while drinking gallons and gallons of our tears. In a way, a big part of EVE is griefing/scamming/trolling. Making P2W or imbalances is basically just griefing us all: an ultimate tear-extraction master-plan, if you will. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4141
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:50:00 -
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Why would removing the AH be necessary for the new expansion? Surely this would give them another opportunity to milk customers wallets as they have to buy new sets of legendary/unique items so they can get through the expansion in two hours and $300? Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3000
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:59:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Why would removing the AH be necessary for the new expansion? Surely this would give them another opportunity to milk customers wallets as they have to buy new sets of legendary/unique items so they can get through the expansion in two hours and $300?
In a nutshell:
-11,000,000 copies sold. -10,000,000 people stop playing because the AH is the cause of the poor drop rates. (Just trust me on this, because it's not worth the 50K word essay to explain why.) -AH gone at the same time the expansion comes out along with proper drop rates and itemization. -A good percentage of those 10,000,000 players come back and while they're there, they grab the expansion pack.
Or so the theory goes.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
56
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Posted - 2013.10.01 03:05:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Why would removing the AH be necessary for the new expansion? Surely this would give them another opportunity to milk customers wallets as they have to buy new sets of legendary/unique items so they can get through the expansion in two hours and $300?
Because they have lost massive amounts of players from D3 - they are hoping the release on the PS3 (now) and the new expansion (March 2014) will revive the franchise. But they had a horrible, horrible launch followed by a really negative reaction to the influence the AHs (real money AH in particular) had on the game - everything from the loot mechanics to account security had multiple flamefests.
As noted above - they stand to make more money by selling an expansion and getting new/returning players into D3 than they do by selling an expansion just to the existing playerbase and trying to milk RMAH fees out of them.
Edit - yeah, what MrEpeen said! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4142
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Posted - 2013.10.01 03:35:00 -
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I played D3 all the way through without buying stuff from the AH what pissed me off was the need to have a reliable Internet connection to play the game. Lag on my Internet connection meant I couldn't get far in hardcore.
So I guess the coming expansion will be a test of whether people will forgive and forget?
The only way I would come back to D3 is if I could play it without any network connection. I don't care about their silly AH. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
750
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Posted - 2013.10.01 06:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Artimis Scout wrote:I agree, lets hope CCP gets rid of PLEXes. I am tired of all you dirty freeloaders playing this game!!! Are you joking? Please tell me you're joking.
No, I think he's serious.....
Actually, I think it would be a great thing for the game, but it's unlikely to happen.
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Samoth Egnoled
Infinitech Catastrophic Uprising
24405
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Posted - 2013.10.01 06:49:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Smart people learn from observing the mistakes of others - and don't repeat them... Just an informational message that I hope CCP devs listen to: The Devs at Diablo III have decided that the auction houses (fake gold and Real Money) are ruining the core game and have slated both versions of the auction houses to be shut off in about 6 months. Link.Now, you have to realize that Blizzard gets 15% of all real money transactions - which you would think is a powerful incentive to keep those "features" intact. But the Dev team essentially stated that the auction houses have turned into a Pay2Win mechanism that is ruining the game, so much so that are willing to give up that 15% hard cash flow in lieu of a more player driven economy. This is the way it has been traditionally done. Like in Diablo II when the players stopped using gold and started using Stones of Jordan as currency - the players changed the in-game currency !!! As CCP re-engineers the game with various expansions, I hope they learn from the lesson that Blizzard has learned the hard way.
Tbh, we told blizzard that the RMT auction house was a bad idea, they didnt listen during the beta. But i am glad they have made the decision to shut it down. Now they need to make D3 like the pre beta dev vids and i will be happy. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
524
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:11:00 -
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I think that many people ITT miss the point with D3. Blizzard has learned from D2 and D3 experience that people playing D3 don't give rat's ass about anything resembling gameplay of an action game. Most people out there see the game as glorified slot machine. "Abilities? Mechanics? Who cares, give me my drops!" is all you can hear from "hardcore Diablo fans".
Of cource it kind of takes away from slot machine game if you can exchange 1000 garbage roll results for a single triple bar. That's why D3 AH is going away.
Meanwhile EVE's equivalent of RMAH which is PLEX system is working as intended... |
Kalishka Askulf
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
45
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:55:00 -
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Noddy Comet wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:diablo 3 was an online game...? Considering you could not play it unless you were connected to the Innerwebs....
Same with Spore, doesn't make it an online game |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:01:00 -
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TL;DR:
Players should ignore ISK and figure out their own currency. |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:12:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Why would removing the AH be necessary for the new expansion? Surely this would give them another opportunity to milk customers wallets as they have to buy new sets of legendary/unique items so they can get through the expansion in two hours and $300? In a nutshell: -11,000,000 copies sold. -10,000,000 people stop playing because the AH is the cause of the poor drop rates. (Just trust me on this, because it's not worth the 50K word essay to explain why.) -AH gone at the same time the expansion comes out along with proper drop rates and itemization. -A good percentage of those 10,000,000 players come back and while they're there, they grab the expansion pack. Or so the theory goes. Mr Epeen
It's not a theory, although the way Mr Epeen here explains it makes it sound as if he's in the know on some big secret and he's here to share it with the world with a cheeky grin and a wink.
Basically, some beancounter or committee of beancounters higher up at Blizzard at some point made the decision to force the D3 design team to change the loot acquisition system from one of kill monsters ---> get cool loot to upgrade your character ----> be able to move on to kill more monsters (which is how ARPG games are supposed to work), to kill some low level monsters ----> get just enough loot to move on ----> monsters get more and more difficult but good loot becomes more scarce while bad loot piles up ----> new feature, gold auction house and RMAH start looking very tempting.
There's no tinfoil hattery on this. By introducing what they call "Loot 2.0" which will be coming out at some point in a patch before the new expansion drops and the auction houses close, the development team (and Blizzard as a whole) has admitted that this is how it went down. Not only that, but that the beancounters' little experiment with tinkering with the core ARPG loot reward gameplay mechanic was a ridiculously awful failure from just about every angle you could think to view it. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4142
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:37:00 -
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Kalishka Askulf wrote:Noddy Comet wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:diablo 3 was an online game...? Considering you could not play it unless you were connected to the Innerwebs.... Same with Spore, doesn't make it an online game
The game runs on their server, your local client is just a pretty interface. Try it when you have a very poor internet connection sometime, you get lag, rubber banding, unexpected death. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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