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Throxton
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:13:00 -
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1) In hisec, is the goal to be able to get away, or to tank long enough for Concord to arrive?
2) Do gankers normally throw a warp jammer on the target to keep the barge in place, and is there anything that can be done about it? It seems recommended tanks don't include stabilizers , AB's or MWD's.
3) How are drones used to protect the barge? By distracting the ganker, or trying to blow them up before Concord arrives? Any particular drone that is considered best at defending the barge?
4) Is the ganker always destroyed by Concord, or can they escape to a station if they are quick enough?
p.s. thanks for the earlier thread that included this: how to gank with Concord
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
958
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:19:00 -
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1) Barges are slow. You are never, ever going to get away from anything once pointed. That said, if you see something as it's arriving into the belt you could probably get away. However, in general, tanking up and waiting for CONCORD is a better idea.
2) Barges are slow as **** regardless, so an AB/MWD isn't going to help you. You could theoretically use stabs, but you'd need to eat up all your low slots for it and you'd probably be dead by the time you got into warp anyway. Just fit a tank.
3) Drones are primarily for killing rats and such. If you don't need them for that, though, then your best bet would be a set of ECM drones. If you're lucky, you can jam out an attacker, but don't count on it.
4) Always. It is in fact considered an exploit to trigger CONCORD and evade them. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
626
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:19:00 -
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1) and 2) To put things in perspective, my barge's align time is 14 seconds. Concord responds in about 30 seconds in a 0.5 and faster in higher sec levels. The chance of you getting away is pretty slim. Tank to survive or pay attention and plan to be gone before the attacker gets in range.
4) Always destroyed. You cannot escape Concord. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
871
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:41:00 -
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Your tanking options are fairly limited in barges
If your in a Retriever you have access to 1 midslot, 3 lowslots & 3 rigslots To keep mining at decent rate you will most likely have 1-2 Mining Laser Upgrades fitted
so for tanking your best option is something like -->
[mids] 1 small ancillary shield booster [cap booster 25's] [lows] 1 damage control system [riggings] 3x Core Defence Field Extender
5 light drones will be plenty to deal with belt rats, just launch them & leave them in 'aggressive + focussed fire' mode they will in no way be sufficient to deal with a typical ganker in time however. if your very, very lucky you may be able to ninja the kill from Concord with them |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
958
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:50:00 -
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Quote:[mids] 1 small ancillary shield booster [cap booster 25's] [lows] 1 damage control system [riggings] 3x Core Defence Field Extender
This is awful
First off, a suicide gank will involve killing you very, very quickly. Any tank that involves active rep (even burst-rep) like an ASB won't do a damn thing for you.
Furthermore, CDFEs give you a percentage of your current shield HP. If you don't have a lot of shield HP to start with (e.g. you didn't fit any +shield HP mods...) then they aren't going to do anything for you.
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1607
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:57:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Your tanking options are fairly limited in barges
If your in a Retriever you have access to 1 midslot, 3 lowslots & 3 rigslots To keep mining at decent rate you will most likely have 1-2 Mining Laser Upgrades fitted
so for tanking your best option is something like -->
[mids] 1 small ancillary shield booster [cap booster 25's] [lows] 1 damage control system [riggings] 3x Core Defence Field Extender
5 light drones will be plenty to deal with belt rats, just launch them & leave them in 'aggressive + focussed fire' mode they will in no way be sufficient to deal with a typical ganker in time however. if your very, very lucky you may be able to ninja the kill from Concord with them
actually, this fit (as given) has only about 16-17k of EHP (depending on what they're shooting you with).
Here's a slightly tankier fit:
[Retriever, Retriever fit]
Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
18-19k EHP, depending on what you're getting shot with
Although it requires the use of a 5% PG implant.
Swapping down the Shield extender to a small, and the ACR for another CDFE gets you 17-17.5k or so, and lets you get away with no implants.
All fittings/stats used are with an "all 5" pilot. Fitting may not work/perform as expected if you don't have these skills.
For comparison, a catalyst fully fit with T2 stuff (excl rigs) is putting out about 600 DPS (although, in reality people won't be likely to use this fit to gank, because it's a guaranteed loss). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Eli Kzanti
Remanaquie Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:11:00 -
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Ahahaha those fits... those barges... oh man you people crack me up. This is the only barge worth flying:
[Procurer, Overtanked] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Sits around ~90k EHP at my skills, costs about the same as an unfitted retriever... if you dont wanna get ganked, you fly one of those ^ If you fly any retriever, people can pretty much just gank you whenever with a couple of catalysts. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
632
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:17:00 -
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HI. Here's the secret to avoiding a gank.
Situational awareness.
We gankers must go through a set of steps to pull of a gank. They can be really obvious if you are paying attention. Once a gank squad is on grid sitting next to you, it's likely too late to save yourself. Yes, this means sitting there and watching the screen, ATK.
Easiest way to prevent a gank, is to be watching local at all times. When you see a group of red blinky outlaws pop up, stop what you are doing, align, and get docked up. Can't kill what isn't in space, see. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1607
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:19:00 -
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Eli Kzanti wrote:Ahahaha those fits... those barges... oh man you people crack me up. This is the only barge worth flying:
[Procurer, Overtanked] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Sits around ~90k EHP at my skills, costs about the same as an unfitted retriever... if you dont wanna get ganked, you fly one of those ^ If you fly any retriever, people can pretty much just gank you whenever with a couple of catalysts.
Funny, with all L5 skills, (no implants) you max out 79.8k EHP, against antimatter. Other incoming damage (e.g. Multifreq or Phased Plasma) knocks you down to 70-75.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:26:00 -
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Eli Kzanti wrote:If you fly any retriever, people can pretty much just gank you whenever with a couple of catalysts. This.
You don't tank a Retriever, you save the ISK gained by less trips to the station and buy replacements when you get ganked. If you want a tank capable of surviving a gank, get a Procurer. Even a Procurer fitted for yield will still have a better tank than a Retriever "fitted for tank". |
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Eli Kzanti
Remanaquie Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:30:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Eli Kzanti wrote:Ahahaha those fits... those barges... oh man you people crack me up. This is the only barge worth flying:
[Procurer, Overtanked] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Sits around ~90k EHP at my skills, costs about the same as an unfitted retriever... if you dont wanna get ganked, you fly one of those ^ If you fly any retriever, people can pretty much just gank you whenever with a couple of catalysts. Funny, with all L5 skills, (no implants) you max out 79.8k EHP, against antimatter. Other incoming damage (e.g. Multifreq or Phased Plasma) knocks you down to 70-75.
Funny, my EFT reads 93k EHP vs antimatter... dunno what you're doing wrong <_< or what that has to do with the fact that any retriever is gank bait >_> umad cuz my fit better? <_< |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:03:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:HI. Here's the secret to avoiding a gank.
Situational awareness.
We gankers must go through a set of steps to pull of a gank. They can be really obvious if you are paying attention. Once a gank squad is on grid sitting next to you, it's likely too late to save yourself. Yes, this means sitting there and watching the screen, ATK.
Easiest way to prevent a gank, is to be watching local at all times. When you see a group of red blinky outlaws pop up, stop what you are doing, align, and get docked up. Can't kill what isn't in space, see.
^This is the only advice you need out of this thread, if you have made yourself a target one way or another, situational awareness is all that can stop a gank 99% of the time. A tank helps, but the true way of surviving a gank is to not be there in the first place.
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Raiz Nhell
Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded
291
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:13:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:HI. Here's the secret to avoiding a gank.
Situational awareness.
One Thousand times this...
Watch local... Mine in a Skiff or Procurer... Mine with a Retriever in the belt with you, gankers will hit the softer target...
Once the antimatter starts to arrive, there is nothing you can do... better you not be there when the gankers arrive...
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
871
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:41:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:[mids] 1 small ancillary shield booster [cap booster 25's] [lows] 1 damage control system [riggings] 3x Core Defence Field Extender
This is awful First off, a suicide gank will involve killing you very, very quickly. Any tank that involves active rep (even burst-rep) like an ASB won't do a damn thing for you. Furthermore, CDFEs give you a percentage of your current shield HP. If you don't have a lot of shield HP to start with (e.g. you didn't fit any +shield HP mods...) then they aren't going to do anything for you.
not every ganker is a pro ganker some of them are noobs at it, and they think a destroyer is all they need for instant 'kb wins'
a retriever basically has no tank however you fit it the best you can do is mitigate some of the damage and hope you survive just long enough for Concord to arrive (the other alternative is to not be there when they arrive in belt, but that level of paranoia will seriously hurt an income level)
also a 100m implant is not exactly 'newbie' friendly so any fit that is at 101+% cpu is a bad fit from a newbie perspective |
Selina Dyle
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:47:00 -
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well now that you seem to know things about the new order i suggest to just buy a permit and follow the code on that site you linked yourself. that will reduce you beeing ganked drastically and if you get ganked accidently by a new order knight, while having a permit, you will even get reimbursed.
thats how i would "avoid" ganks. so you can fly whatever you like.
be a gallant not goofus. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:55:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote: also a 100m implant is not exactly 'newbie' friendly so any fit that is at 101+% cpu is a bad fit from a newbie perspective
What is this supposed to mean? I did not see him talking about any implants. Please elaborate.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
346
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Posted - 2013.10.01 00:38:00 -
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Laughing at the thought of an all level 5 char flying a tanked retriever mining. Then laughing at the thought of a tanked retriever. Also, my gank cat puts out 730ish dps. If you are going to presuppose a L5 miner, you should also figure in an L5 ganker. The New Order are easily the most prolific miner gankers in hisec and I can assure you they have no regard for isk efficiency and will happily throw X T2 cats at your ship where X is the number of cats required if an equal number of pilots are available.
If mining in hisec in sec level less than .8, mine in a procurer or skiff if risk averse: you will eventually loose your retreiver. If you put almost any sort of tanky rigs and mids in, you can fit the rest for yield and only some bro (and several of his friends) that hates you personally will gank your proc/skiff. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Eli Kzanti
Remanaquie Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:10:00 -
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Also, this 'situational awareness' crap is absolute BS - the people who say these things are plainly never in the miners shoes, and dont fully understand the mechanics involved beyond pressing F1 and waiting for concord. For starters, the only way you have of finding out if someone in local has low sec status is if they are on-grid with you or if you keep checking their info page... they only start blinking when they have a criminal flag, after they hit somebody. If that first somebody is you, the only warning you'll have is when they land on you and you explode.
Then there is the argument that the only way to avoid being ganked is this mythical 'situational awareness'. This is nonsense. These people tend to only want to try to gank 'soft' targets, i.e. the retrievers, covetors, mackinaws and hulks. If you tank a procurer then the likelihood of anybody even trying to gank you... well.. its pretty damn low, as Malcolm Shinhwa said. You are just too hard to gank and worth too little ISK. They wont bother.
Also, they DO have to go through a lot of steps. You will just never see them doing it regardless of what you do. They can be really obvious? Really? Any decent ganker will hit you and you'll never see it coming, unless you have every ganker in EVE on your watchlist and they arent using a new alt for it. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
308
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Posted - 2013.10.01 09:10:00 -
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I recommend against buying any "permits". Several reasons:
1) They put you on their list as a potential target. 2) The people demanding the money don't provide any protection from anybody but themselves, and they don't represent all - or even the majority - of gankers in hisec. 3) Before going into business with extortionists, look up "Danegeld". "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1611
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:22:00 -
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Eli Kzanti wrote:Funny, my EFT reads 93k EHP vs antimatter... dunno what you're doing wrong <_< or what that has to do with the fact that any retriever is gank bait >_> umad cuz my fit better? <_<
Edit: looks like somebody forgot the damage control, and it certainly wasnt me \o/
nope ... turns out the update for pyfa didn't take the first time around. right version puts that fit at 92.9k EHP against antimatter ("all 5" preset).
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Laughing at the thought of an all level 5 char flying a tanked retriever mining. Then laughing at the thought of a tanked retriever. Also, my gank cat puts out 730ish dps. If you are going to presuppose a L5 miner, you should also figure in an L5 ganker. The New Order are easily the most prolific miner gankers in hisec and I can assure you they have no regard for isk efficiency and will happily throw X T2 cats at your ship where X is the number of cats required if an equal number of pilots are available.
While true that an "all 5" character probably won't be mining, saying something arbitrary like "it's possible to get 90k EHP on a Procurer" is just as useful as saying "yeah sure, you can PLEX your account with 2 hours of work a week". That is, they're both definitely possible, but if you're not giving general skill levels to attain that amount of EHP or admitting that your 2 hours of work is (re)setting 5bn ISK worth of buy/sell orders, it's not exactly helpful to the rookies (we are in New Character Q&A afterall).
Eli Kzanti wrote:Also, this 'situational awareness' crap is absolute BS - the people who say these things are plainly never in the miners shoes, and dont fully understand the mechanics involved beyond pressing F1 and waiting for concord. For starters, the only way you have of finding out if someone in local has low sec status is if they are on-grid with you or if you keep checking their info page... they only start blinking when they have a criminal flag, after they hit somebody. If that first somebody is you, the only warning you'll have is when they land on you and you explode.
Then there is the argument that the only way to avoid being ganked is this mythical 'situational awareness'. This is nonsense. These people tend to only want to try to gank 'soft' targets, i.e. the retrievers, covetors, mackinaws and hulks. If you tank a procurer then the likelihood of anybody even trying to gank you... well.. its pretty damn low, as Malcolm Shinhwa said. You are just too hard to gank and worth too little ISK. They wont bother.
Also, they DO have to go through a lot of steps. You will just never see them doing it regardless of what you do. They can be really obvious? Really? Any decent ganker will hit you and you'll never see it coming, unless you have every ganker in EVE on your watchlist and they arent using a new alt for it.
Actually, it's not that hard.
Situational Awareness 101:
- Know the locals -- simple as "pay attention to who is here a lot" (that is -- Marc Callan, Velicitia, and those other two people are generally runnning PI. Lady Fappington is generally flying around with those three ganking people, Eli and those five are mining)
- If the system is "busy", then corp/alliance affiliation may be a better marker (that is -- Rifterlings will get into wars with people, CODE. will bump/gank us, Emergent Avionics just runs a POS, Remanaquie Federation ninja salvage) -- set standings accordingly
- Obviously, there will be unknowns (NPC Corp characters) that you'll always have to be wary of, but meh
- Watch D-scan for incoming ships. 1.5-2 AU is generally sufficient to give a barge GTFO time, especially if you're continually staying aligned.
(All characters/corps/alliances used in the above primer are illustrative only, and do not imply that they actually do those things)
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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Eli Kzanti
Remanaquie Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:38:00 -
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Its funny cuz I've been ninja salvaging lately >_>
And aye - but then you get the results of that 'situational awareness'. Some random guy flies past in a catalyst, what do you do? Bail? Then you're losing the only advantage a retriever really has over a procurer - its ability to mine a bit more ore. You have to waste time avoiding people when you could just sit there basically oblivious to the world in an 70-80k EHP (since thats roughly what most will have) mining barge... mining continuously and happily... and the worst they might try to do is bump you. If they try that, well, you are faster and more agile than the other barges anyway so dodging is a simple matter =P
I mean, we are in New Character Q&A after all - they are likely trying to mine in those horribly crowded areas where newbies live, with new names and faces in local day after day and destroyers zipping around on d-scan all over the place... |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1612
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:26:00 -
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there's a difference between "flies past" and "lands on grid", which is why your d-scan should be set pretty close (1-2 AU) so you can more or less filter out people "just flying by" in favor of people "coming this way". If you're aligned to a "GTFO safe" all the time, you can pretty much wait for them to show up on grid.
Now, "aligned" means "pointing in the right direction, and moving at least 75% of your max speed". For mining, it pretty much means you do this.
- Set up two safe spots a minimum of 150 km from the farthest legs of the belt your traversing
- Warp to belt, align to safe spot 1, and set speed to 60m/sec (IIRC barges top out at 80).
- Start mining, switching targets as range changes
- When you get to the end of the belt, align to safe 2 (i.e. turn around)
- Lather, Rinse, Repeat til your cargohold is full
the whole time, you're watching d-scan for incoming bad guys. If someone is incoming, then you just hit "warp to safe" and bounce out to +150km from the belt, which gives you time to align/warp off to station or a POS. ALternative is to have the station/POS as one of the legs of the "safespot pinball" you'll be playing.
I agree that newbie miners will likely be in terribly over-crowded areas, and TBH, my feeling is that barges shouldn't even be in the rookie systems. You're wasting a lot of the barge's potential by mining in those over-crowded areas (small rocks + barge cycle time + whatever else I'm forgetting) One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Anthony Blunt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:28:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:
Watch D-scan for incoming ships. 1.5-2 AU is generally sufficient to give a barge GTFO time, especially if you're continually staying aligned.
Propagating the myth of passive alignment.
If you are not moving you are not aligned. I am not my main, just a blunt instrument. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
627
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:35:00 -
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Anthony Blunt wrote:Velicitia wrote:
Watch D-scan for incoming ships. 1.5-2 AU is generally sufficient to give a barge GTFO time, especially if you're continually staying aligned.
Propagating the myth of passive alignment. If you are not moving you are not aligned.
I take it you didn't bother to read her second paragraph, which reads
Quote:Now, "aligned" means "pointing in the right direction, and moving at least 75% of your max speed". ? |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1612
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:40:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Anthony Blunt wrote:Velicitia wrote:
Watch D-scan for incoming ships. 1.5-2 AU is generally sufficient to give a barge GTFO time, especially if you're continually staying aligned.
Propagating the myth of passive alignment. If you are not moving you are not aligned. I take it you didn't bother to read her post right above yours where she states Quote:Now, "aligned" means "pointing in the right direction, and moving at least 75% of your max speed". ?
beat me to telling him off One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
141
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:00:00 -
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About the "all skills at V" thingie in EFT and such... No one has all skills at V. But it's the only way we have to compare fits between players. (or we could compare with all skills at 0, but i think that it would not be very useful |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
5
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:07:00 -
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Throxton wrote:1) In hisec, is the goal to be able to get away, or to tank long enough for Concord to arrive? 2) Do gankers normally throw a warp jammer on the target to keep the barge in place, and is there anything that can be done about it? It seems recommended tanks don't include stabilizers , AB's or MWD's. 3) How are drones used to protect the barge? By distracting the ganker, or trying to blow them up before Concord arrives? Any particular drone that is considered best at defending the barge? 4) Is the ganker always destroyed by Concord, or can they escape to a station if they are quick enough? p.s. thanks for the earlier thread that included this: how to gank with Concord
2) Gankers will warp jam you 99% of the time. Nothing can really be done to stop this. You should not be fitting inertia stabilizers, AB, or MWD or shield boosters on a mining vessel. You should be fitting shield resistence mods, and a combination of DC II and MLU's with tank related rigs.
Oops. 1) Presuming you have left it that late to not be there tanking long enough for Concord to arrive is the obvious choice.
3) Some people will say drones can be used to protect your barge. I personally would say it is unlikely to work. Occasionally you will see barges with shield repair drones constantly fixing them. This is usually a sign that the miner is AFK. AFK mining is not a good idea anywhere. Being AFK is nearly as bad as flying using autopilot.
4) There used to be a trick involving an Orca but I'm not sure it ever worked. Yes as a general rule Concord will always turn the gankers ship into scrap metal.
a) Gankers who are organised will generally send a non-ganking pilot into the system to scan mining vessels for those lacking a tank. You will NOT know you have been scanned. If you are a good target they will bookmark a rock near you. If you do not have local intel and contacts set up the next thing to happen will be you losing your ship.
b) It is best not to mine in system/s patrolled byThe Code ala 'James 315' and his supporters. It is up to you if you choose to buy a mining permit from them. This supposedly saves you from their attacks but as others have pointed out they are the most vocal gankers but there are many others doing it too. A mining permit will not save you from them. The Code are not everywhere - use killboards to determine where they are not operating.
c) To protect yourself from ganking you should do the following:
c1) If possible fit enough tank to give your mining vessel a little over 24,000 EHP with high thermic & kinetic resistances. If you can't reach that figure or it will make your yield pathetic make sure your thermic & kinetic resistances are higher than your explosive & EM resistances. 24k EHP will save you from opportune and/or inexperienced gankers. Consider this to be your last of defense and not something you will wish to call upon.
c2) Your primary defence against gankers is not being AFK. Your other primary defence is local channel, local intel, and your contacts list. You will probably mine in the same system or a small number of systems near to NPC stations where you have 'perfect refining'. Gankers will generally target an area or number of systems where they can find targets easily and will log on at the same time of day roughly.
Setting up intel: Google 'EVE Kill' (A popular killboard.) select the first entry which should take you to the killboard. Select the 'search' tab then select 'system' and type the name/s of the system/s you want to mine in. Add any pilots or corporations involved in ganking mining vessels there to your contacts list as -10. If you have knowledge of other killboard/s you could check those too and do the same. While you are mining not AFK keep an eye on the local channel for those '-10' to come up. If they do it's probably time to either dock up or switch to mining another system. Also check pilots details in 'local' channel while you are mining. You will be looking for pilots with negative sec status. Also for pilots with 'Bios' or corp/alliance descriptions which suggest they are pirates or mercenaries. Keep an eye out for those. If you see more than one pilot with negative sec status from the same corporation/alliance in-system this is a sign you should dock-up or move to another system. Multiple catalysts can take down even the most heavily defended mining ship.
As this is the new citizens Q&A area you are unlikely to be flying an Orca. If you are you should NOT be fitting cargo expanding modules in your low slots. A DC II and a module to increase your structure should be in those slots. Resistance modules in your mid slots and seriously consider a combination of tanking and cargo rigs for your rig slots. It takes approximately twenty Catalysts to take down an Orca - maybe more if it is heavily defended. So in most cases an Orca is fairly safe. Touchwood.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:16:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:beat me to telling him off
I'm guilty of jumping on someone I thought was promoting passive alignment (they weren't), so this is my penance.
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:21:00 -
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Others above are mentioning being aligned to safe spots or stations/ stargates. They also mentioning using 'd-scan' to check for gankers while mining.
It is probable that 'newbie' miners will be mining in high sec systems rather than low or nul sec. To be honest it really isn't worth mining in low sec especially as you can get Pyroxeres in high sec depending where you mine. You can also find Hedbergite, Hemorphite, & Jaspet in grav sites in high sec. If Kernite floats your boat, although its so heavy your boat may sink, you can find that in high sec space and high sec grav sites too.
Regarding mining in nul sec it is also unlikely newbie miners will be operating there unless they have good contacts and can mine in 'deep blue' alliance systems. Some will say mining in nullsec is safer than high sec - when they spout this rhetoric it means they are mining deep in alliance sov territory. Opportune mining in nul sec will likely get you a fast trip back to high sec in your pod - or worse!!
Being aligned and using d-scan are primarily tactics for use in nullsec or for those brave/foolhardy enough to try mining in low sec. If you follow the information in my previous reply and decide to mine in high sec those guidelines will likely keep you safe. No guarantees given but they are the best tactics. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:44:00 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Others above are mentioning being aligned to safe spots or stations/ stargates. They also mentioning using 'd-scan' to check for gankers while mining.
It is probable that 'newbie' miners will be mining in high sec systems rather than low or nul sec. To be honest it really isn't worth mining in low sec especially as you can get Pyroxeres in high sec depending where you mine. You can also find Hedbergite, Hemorphite, & Jaspet in grav sites in high sec. If Kernite floats your boat, although its so heavy your boat may sink, you can find that in high sec space and high sec grav sites too.
Regarding mining in nul sec it is also unlikely newbie miners will be operating there unless they have good contacts and can mine in 'deep blue' alliance systems. Some will say mining in nullsec is safer than high sec - when they spout this rhetoric it means they are mining deep in alliance sov territory. Opportune mining in nul sec will likely get you a fast trip back to high sec in your pod - or worse!!
Being aligned and using d-scan are primarily tactics for use in nullsec or for those brave/foolhardy enough to try mining in low sec. If you follow the information in my previous reply and decide to mine in high sec those guidelines will likely keep you safe. No guarantees given but they are the best tactics.
I don't really follow this post. I mean, in your previous post, you even say that
Quote:Oops. 1) Presuming you have left it that late to not be there tanking long enough for Concord to arrive is the obvious choice.
D-scan/alignment/etc are all meant to facilitate the "not being there" part... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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