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CCP Falcon
4142
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:48:00 -
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Good afternoon Capsuleers!
There are many things in which you can put your stuff. Some of these things are owned by players, and some are owned by CONCORD.
One of these many things are Customs Offices. In the past, those located in highsec have been NPC owned. However, with EVE Online: Rubicon this will be changing.
To explain the changes in more detail, CCP SoniClover is here with a new Dev Blog!
Enjoy! CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á Live Events Organizer
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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CCP Paradox
953
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:52:00 -
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Woo! Feedback time :) CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Koban Agalder
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
5
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:52:00 -
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FIRST!
(ok, "technicly" first) :P James Arget for CSM 8!-áhttp://csm.fcftw.org-á |
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CCP Legion
77
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:52:00 -
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Quite looking forward to seeing what this brings along with it CCP Legion | Product Owner, Team Super Friends | Twitter: @CCP_Legion |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
2637
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:55:00 -
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We've been talking about this feature since we initially introduced the player owned POCOs. I'm so happy it's finally going out. Enjoy guys <3 |
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
734
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:58:00 -
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Interesting, so how much does a war against Goonswarm cost now again? Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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im mrmessy
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:58:00 -
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Are nullsec POCOs affected by the wardec ownership transfer lockout? |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
1590
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:03:00 -
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I hope this works in game like the devs have planned in there heads. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
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CCP Paradox
953
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:04:00 -
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im mrmessy wrote:Are nullsec POCOs affected by the wardec ownership transfer lockout?
Right now, yes. You can transfer between corporations in the same Alliance, but I have expressed to SoniClover the instances of system handovers or alliance-to-alliance transfers. CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
580
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:05:00 -
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The only flaw I see to this wonderful idea is the fact that wardec costs and range (being attacked at the other side of high sec when you wardecced only for a POCO) are not matching this new mechanic. G££ <= Me |
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1094
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:05:00 -
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CCP just introduced a reason to go to war in Highsec
a weak one though, but it's a start :) We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
931
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:05:00 -
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Well this is perfect.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
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CCP SoniClover
C C P C C P Alliance
372
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:06:00 -
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im mrmessy wrote:Are nullsec POCOs affected by the wardec ownership transfer lockout?
Right now there are no extra rules in, so the transfer would affect all POCOs. We have discussed putting in extra rules based on security bands or timers, but haven't decided if to implement any of them. |
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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions Free 2 Play
150
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:09:00 -
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there is one thing that bothers me:
if the poco can't be transfered during war, that kinda means i can't have a war-loser transfer his poco (or all his pocos) to me as a reparation payment. (otherwise i have to drop war first which kinda would allow him to sell 'em to someone else take 'em down or whatever)
so if you really implement this limitation it would be nice if there was at least a "transfer to war oponnent" button or something like that. 3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1219
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:12:00 -
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Does attacking Interbus owned custom office give suspect flag(doing so in low sec gives one if im not mistaken) ? |
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CCP SoniClover
C C P C C P Alliance
372
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:12:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:there is one thing that bothers me:
if the poco can't be transfered during war, that kinda means i can't have a war-loser transfer his poco (or all his pocos) to me as a reparation payment. (otherwise i have to drop war first which kinda would allow him to sell 'em to someone else take 'em down or whatever)
so if you really implement this limitation it would be nice if there was at least a "transfer to war oponnent" button or something like that.
That wouldn't really work. A POCO owner could then have an alt corp be at war with the corp that owns the POCO and then transfer it to the alt corp when the POCO comes under threat. |
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NoxiousPluK
Interstellar Trade and Banking Services Unicorn Collective
48
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:13:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:there is one thing that bothers me:
if the poco can't be transfered during war, that kinda means i can't have a war-loser transfer his poco (or all his pocos) to me as a reparation payment. (otherwise i have to drop war first which kinda would allow him to sell 'em to someone else take 'em down or whatever)
so if you really implement this limitation it would be nice if there was at least a "transfer to war oponnent" button or something like that. I totally agree with this.
This was my only question, I love more reasons to go to war. |
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:14:00 -
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So... You're keeping the NPC tax rates on the pocos, even if they're owned by a player?
There doesn't seem to be any incentive to do PI in highsec then since you can probably just find a nice C1, have no tax, and actually just mine the resources yourself.
If you want to remove NPC pocos, remove the NPC tax on pocos as well. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1214
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:16:00 -
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Please also remove the SOV requirement in nullsec to place command centers. This would allow us to open it up based on standings and share planets with people. We can lockout hostiles with 100% tax rates if so desired. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5096
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:22:00 -
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render onto ccp what is ccp's, and render onto goonswarm what is goonswarm's |
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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions Free 2 Play
153
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:26:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote: That wouldn't really work. A POCO owner could then have an alt corp be at war with the corp that owns the POCO and then transfer it to the alt corp when the POCO comes under threat.
EDIT: removed first idea since the second is so much better
I can see that this would be a way to exploit that behavior, however there must be a solution...
Just juggling a few thoughts arround,
Another idea would be to make pocos carry their wars with 'em meaning you can transfer them to anyone else, but who ever takes them (needs to be something he agrees to) will INSTANTLY have the same wars like the owner of the POCO Advantages: Transfer is possible Paying off War to wardeccer is possible (needs to think about what hes doing though, because he could get more wars through it) Transfer to an own corp wont save it Disadvantages if implemented weirdly it might cause huge war cascades
thinking of it, i really like the second idea. what do you think? 3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications |
Callic Veratar
455
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:26:00 -
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Guess I might as well delete my PI now... |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
2195
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:27:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:Peter Powers wrote:there is one thing that bothers me:
if the poco can't be transfered during war, that kinda means i can't have a war-loser transfer his poco (or all his pocos) to me as a reparation payment. (otherwise i have to drop war first which kinda would allow him to sell 'em to someone else take 'em down or whatever)
so if you really implement this limitation it would be nice if there was at least a "transfer to war oponnent" button or something like that. That wouldn't really work. A POCO owner could then have an alt corp be at war with the corp that owns the POCO and then transfer it to the alt corp when the POCO comes under threat. Yes they could. But that would not end the war vs the real agressor. If transferring a POCO was part of surrender terms, it would end the war. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
580
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:30:00 -
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What if, to perform a transfer to a war opponent, the poco has to be shot for a fraction of its HP at a precise time, a notification informing every opponent.
This way the most important PvP force (involved in the war) present at this moment would be the one winning the POCO. Which would allow for both extraction and take over of POCOs during wars. It could also make sure that fights actually happens at POCOs, not at the undock of stations...
The possibility to transfer to war opponent would be in the send surrender offer. So that you can offer money AND POCOs to end a war. If you choose to also give a POCO, the offender needs to win the match at the POCO (meaning being able to deal like 10% of its HP to it), otherwise the offer is cancelled.
If there are multiple POCOs, there are successive timers, with something like 1 hour between each.
To prevent the defender for spamming surrender to its alt corp hoping that it would work one time, there would be a collateral not returned if the surrender offer is invalid. G££ <= Me |
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
340
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:30:00 -
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So does this mean that in order to take down any current HS POCO's, we'll be tanking our standing with Interbus? http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -á-á < Unified Inventory is NOT ready... |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
2195
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:31:00 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:So... You're keeping the NPC tax rates on the pocos, even if they're owned by a player?
There doesn't seem to be any incentive to do PI in highsec then since you can probably just find a nice C1, have no tax, and actually just mine the resources yourself.
If you want to remove NPC pocos, remove the NPC tax on pocos as well. There is alot to be said for this. Low sec planets are already better than high sec ones due to the better resources. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Batelle
RisingSuns
167
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:31:00 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:So... You're keeping the NPC tax rates on the pocos, even if they're owned by a player?
There doesn't seem to be any incentive to do PI in highsec then since you can probably just find a nice C1, have no tax, and actually just mine the resources yourself.
If you want to remove NPC pocos, remove the NPC tax on pocos as well.
They're lowering the tax to 5% via skillbook. I shouldn't have to lay out all the ways doing PI in a c1 is different than doing it in hisec. Fighting is Magic |
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CCP Paradox
953
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:34:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:So does this mean that in order to take down any current HS POCO's, we'll be tanking our standing with Interbus?
No standing/security or suspect flag hit will happen. CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Luc Chastot
Daktaklakpak.
535
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:35:00 -
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So people will just stop using Customs Offices in hs. Ok. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
2195
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:38:00 -
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One interesting side effect of this is it supplies an income stream to high sec PvP corps. Consider: A high sec industrial corp can easily shoot down an interbus CO and put up their own. But then they open themselves up to war decs. Generally, nothing that industrialist players do is compatible with war. Better to have friends in a PvP corp give you a low tax rate on POCOs they own and defend.
Result: Most all POCOs will be owned by PvP oriented corps or alliances. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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