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Jethro Man
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Posted - 2006.01.20 21:06:00 -
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Currently I am flying a cruiser but am hoping to get to assualt ships then go for heavy assualt ships. I mostly play for pvp/pirating, and am using a stabber now. I really like amarr ships and would like to use those or minimatar, so out of those two races, which has the best assualt frigs? Also which has the best heavy assualt ships?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.20 21:10:00 -
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depends actually.
I like my ishkur.
That green tri-horned demon and his 5 super-fast minions (T2 warriors) are sure to scare the hell out of any frigate
...but that's me ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.01.20 21:15:00 -
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It depends what you like to do. Up close 'n' personal, enyo or retribution. Long range, Harpy Drone them to death after sucking their cap dry, Ishkur Just sheer pwn, Most interceptors
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Harum Skarum
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Posted - 2006.01.20 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Harum Skarum on 20/01/2006 21:48:58 There is no T2 frig that you cant kill in an Ishkur, any properly set up cruiser will kill you easily tho. The Vengeance and Jaguar simply suck, Retribution is nice as a dmg dealer in gangs but no viable choice for solo pvp. The Wolf is decent but is limited by its 2 med slots.
IMO a cruiser is better for solo piracy, plated AC ruptures with 2 med nos are downright scary and you will be able to take on a much larger variety of ships in it than in a AF.
EDIT: Actually the Ishkur sucks and youre better off buying an Enyo, it is an awesome AF and pretty too!
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.01.20 21:48:00 -
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i think ishkur for just solo forking around.
with a gatecamp w/ buds, a wolf with sensor booster and gank setup is nice for stealing the killmails on the small stuff from your friends in bigger ships ><
Gisti harpy might be a contenda with changes to invul fields. tech 2 em hardener plus faction invuln might yield some appealing resists.
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Celador Nane
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Posted - 2006.01.20 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Celador Nane on 20/01/2006 21:52:30 Hmm, i would advise to clear away from Amarr AF's, the vengeance just doesnt cut it, and the retribution only having one mid slot makes it pretty much useless for anything.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.01.20 23:28:00 -
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Amarr tend have the worst frigs. I'd reccomend training a different race if you are serious about afs.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.01.20 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Demangel on 20/01/2006 23:33:39 I always snort when I see a "Whats the best <insert class/tech/whatever here> for <PVP/PVE/Both here>" threads, but I still like talkin in em, even though asside from a few lame ducks or the occasional I win button of a ship, the best answer is always: What style of fighting do you prefer? if X go with y ship and so on. But it's still fun to debate, kinda like who would win a fight, Super man, or mighty mouse...
Ishkur is the only one I've used so far, but so far I'm loving it. The other night I faced an inty and a harpy (2v1), and it was one of the best fights I've ever had in eve, amazingly I was winning the fight, but it was taking too long (about 4-5 minutes of very tactical and interesting combat) to really score a kill, and I feared they had backup in the vicinity, so I broke away from them. The ranis was around 50% armor, and the harpy had had it's sheilds nocked down/low more than once.
It was a really great fight though, I changed my focus of targets more than once or twice initialy thinking the harpy would be the real threat. The inty however while it couldn't bust my tank and live (even with the harpy present) had the tackle, and had to go down first I realized. But due to some errors on my part, good thinking on thiers, and overal situational details, I couldn't get the ranis locked down with scramble more than once and it was at about 12KM at the time and just zipped away and warped off once past 20 every time after (though each time it suffered a bit more armor loss).
It was my first time flying the ishkur in PVP, so I must say I was impressed that it wasn't ganked as such a pair should have (numerically) been superior than just little ole me...
TBH I never dreamed the ishkur would do so well. That was with a pretty hefty tank and vamp setup, next time I might try a slightly weaker tank with bigger damage dealing :)
PS against a cruiser with nos, an AF has lots of trouble unless it hangs out of nos range.
I would say AF and cruiser are about equal in terms of versitility, and capability in PVP for obviously different reasons... but for expense the cruiser wins every time as you can lose those a dime a dozen compared to AF's.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Harum Skarum
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Posted - 2006.01.21 00:33:00 -
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Stop hyping the Ishkur, its a ship for people with more SP in drones than sense.
Real men fly Enyo!
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Savion
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Posted - 2006.01.21 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Savion on 21/01/2006 00:41:17 Ishkur is overrated... a lot of their damage comes from drones but you can easily kill them, especially if it's AF vs AF.
I've been using a Retribution for awhile, it seems pretty good, does a nice amount of damage actually, I've been wanting to try out a Wolf, but don't think it'd work as well.
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Bren Kasir
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Posted - 2006.01.21 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Bren Kasir on 21/01/2006 00:39:48 edit: grrr, stupid double-posting.... ---
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Bren Kasir
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Posted - 2006.01.21 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Harum Skarum Stop hyping the Ishkur, its a ship for people with more SP in drones than sense.
Real men fly Enyo!
perfect for gallente then...
Bren Kasir ---
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2006.01.21 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: El Yatta on 21/01/2006 00:41:45 An Enyo is an easy kill for a good ishkur pilot, because you can deal explosive. The only AF an ishkur needs fear is a wolf with AC's with EMP or Fusion. Ishkur is simply lethal. Most AF's cant kill the drones as they fit Rails, DLB's or Arties. ---:::---
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Savion
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Posted - 2006.01.21 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta Edited by: El Yatta on 21/01/2006 00:41:45 Most AF's cant kill the drones as they fit Rails, DLB's or Arties.
Yeah, a wolf would have a ton of trouble with an ishkur, I think an enyo would as well, personally I use pulse weapons and not beam on my retribution though.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta Ishkur is simply lethal. Most AF's cant kill the drones as they fit Rails, DLB's or Arties.
Alot of Ishkur users like using med drones, but anyone who launches those drones against a rail AF with a web is going to watch them get popped pretty damn fast imo.
Lights could be another story just because you'd have more of them to deal with, but if you're facing someone with a webber, those drones are toast pretty fast I'd think.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Lord Storm
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Posted - 2006.01.21 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta Edited by: El Yatta on 21/01/2006 00:41:45 An Enyo is an easy kill for a good ishkur pilot, because you can deal explosive. The only AF an ishkur needs fear is a wolf with AC's with EMP or Fusion. Ishkur is simply lethal. Most AF's cant kill the drones as they fit Rails, DLB's or Arties.
I fear much more a retrib than a wolf. gank retrib with a web kill non matar af really fast..
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:07:00 -
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dudes, fit an ishkur with l33t guns! 3x neutron t2's and an mwd + 5 t2 light drones = omgwtf
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:20:00 -
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I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
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Chackle
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Chackle on 21/01/2006 11:24:55 I disagree with the "stay clear of amarr AF". I currently fly a Retribution and it's one of the best ships I have flown. You get DPS, one med slot is all you need imo, enough low slots to hold a t2 armour rep, standard resistance plating and a dmg mod and a tracking enhancer. You can truely set these up for being mean, badass machines. You can fit a ab/mwd in med slot with pulses in high, or fit beams and gof or a sniping setup. Only disadvantage I can see about the Amarr AFs is thelack of med slots, 1 is enough to do most jobs but 2 would be nice, and no drone space. All AF's are good, but at different jobs. Amarr being the best imo for all out close damage while keeping cap, a tank and some more mods.
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
if you have 3 neutron t2 guns and 5 drones a retri can't beat an ishkur
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Lord Storm
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
the retri pilot wont even bother to kill your drone, he will pop you in less than 15sec if he is fitted for gank and if he can track you. If he dont got web your only hope is to orbit at 500m the hard part is to come close to him before dieing.
If he got web => warp out or you will be toasted.
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Lord Storm
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Asurix
if you have 3 neutron t2 guns and 5 drones a retri can't beat an ishkur
First dont fit neut but ion and a mag stab till if you fit neut you will have to put a mapc (assming you use mwd)and then you will deal less dmg than with a ion+mag stab set-up. Secondly your range with neut/ion is like 3-4km from him, his range with pulse is more like 0-15km.
Now it will depend on what kind of drone you got, but generally you use warrior/valky for tracking and spd issue.
So to conclude, can't beat ishkur is %%%%, retri hit hard and he will deal way more dmg to your armur than your repair can heal.
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Storm
Originally by: Asurix
if you have 3 neutron t2 guns and 5 drones a retri can't beat an ishkur
First dont fit neut but ion and a mag stab till if you fit neut you will have to put a mapc (assming you use mwd)and then you will deal less dmg than with a ion+mag stab set-up. Secondly your range with neut/ion is like 3-4km from him, his range with pulse is more like 0-15km.
Now it will depend on what kind of drone you got, but generally you use warrior/valky for tracking and spd issue.
So to conclude, can't beat ishkur is %%%%, retri hit hard and he will deal way more dmg to your armur than your repair can heal.
the 1 slot just ufcks him if he has webber warp out if he has scrambler orbit at 500m i've never lost to an ishkur small lasers suck imo
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Asurix
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
if you have 3 neutron t2 guns and 5 drones a retri can't beat an ishkur
I'm asking a very specific question, and it's not "can a Retri beat an Ishkur?"
Originally by: Lord Storm
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
the retri pilot wont even bother to kill your drone, he will pop you in less than 15sec if he is fitted for gank and if he can track you. If he dont got web your only hope is to orbit at 500m the hard part is to come close to him before dieing.
If he got web => warp out or you will be toasted.
I fly Retris in combat regularly :P
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Asurix
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
if you have 3 neutron t2 guns and 5 drones a retri can't beat an ishkur
I'm asking a very specific question, and it's not "can a Retri beat an Ishkur?"
Originally by: Lord Storm
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
the retri pilot wont even bother to kill your drone, he will pop you in less than 15sec if he is fitted for gank and if he can track you. If he dont got web your only hope is to orbit at 500m the hard part is to come close to him before dieing.
If he got web => warp out or you will be toasted.
I fly Retris in combat regularly :P
I think an Ishkur would kill a Retri 1v1
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Asurix
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Asurix
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
if you have 3 neutron t2 guns and 5 drones a retri can't beat an ishkur
I'm asking a very specific question, and it's not "can a Retri beat an Ishkur?"
Originally by: Lord Storm
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
the retri pilot wont even bother to kill your drone, he will pop you in less than 15sec if he is fitted for gank and if he can track you. If he dont got web your only hope is to orbit at 500m the hard part is to come close to him before dieing.
If he got web => warp out or you will be toasted.
I fly Retris in combat regularly :P
I think an Ishkur would kill a Retri 1v1
depends actually.
if you go vampire with the ishkur you might get a chance, but that would mean being at 5km.
maybe a plate might help here aswell.
as someone said earlier, it's all about setups and the pilot. ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Asurix
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Asurix
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
if you have 3 neutron t2 guns and 5 drones a retri can't beat an ishkur
I'm asking a very specific question, and it's not "can a Retri beat an Ishkur?"
Originally by: Lord Storm
Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd be interested to know whether an Ishkur could pop a Retri before the Retri vaporised all its drones, actually. It'd still be able to run off, but the strong tank plus high-damage high-tracking guns might be able to strip it of most of its offensive capability.
the retri pilot wont even bother to kill your drone, he will pop you in less than 15sec if he is fitted for gank and if he can track you. If he dont got web your only hope is to orbit at 500m the hard part is to come close to him before dieing.
If he got web => warp out or you will be toasted.
I fly Retris in combat regularly :P
I think an Ishkur would kill a Retri 1v1
Then your wrong..
A good Retribution pilot with a good setup would *****an iskhur.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Asurix I think an Ishkur would kill a Retri 1v1
I'm asking a very specific question, and it's not "can a Retri beat an Ishkur?"
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:44:00 -
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If it had 2 mids, the Retri would be absolutley brutal, as it is now I'd rather take an Enyo.
Originally by: Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2006.01.21 19:37:00 -
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I like Ishkurs... drones are great... can pin the target down... all around great ship.
Oh, btw, WTS Ishkurs
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