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Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.01.22 00:47:00 -
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I await with great interest the revelations of these scriptures. While the suspension of the Order of Tetrimon has been allowed temporary return to Amarrian space only when all scriptures have been revealed and Amarr has a new Emperor will the ultimate fate of the Order be decided.
As a servant of God and Amarr I follow the path laid out in scriptures as directed by our Emperor. With the passing of Doriam II our future is temporarily uncertain. Rest assured though this uncertainty will not taint nor weaken the will of Gods followers.
As the validity of the Tetrimon scriptures are revealed and proven or disproved the future of our glourious Empire will be revealed. Still without the guidance of an Emperor to speak as Gods chosen I must view any and all attempts at major change with a cautious eye.
I have waited ages for the Tetrimon scriptures to be authenticated or disproven. This announcement does nothing to verify their truth and thus the position of the Tetrimon is still "unproven" in the eyes of Gods followers.
Only with a new Emperor will Amarr be whole. Only then will the ultimate judgement of these scriptures be made. It was an Emperor who banned the Order of Tetrimon from Amarrian space and only an Emperor can totally remove the ban. This temporary reprieve is just that, temporary, and those faithful to God and Empire must remember there are those who would seek to undo our greatness and sabotage our futures. What better way then with false words and hopes?
I welcome the Order of Tetrimon back to Amarr. But I do so with a cautious eye and will watch with great interest the developments ahead. Only when our Emperor speaks will we have the final word on the matter. Until then nothing has changed and the Tetrimon scriptures are yet to be proven factual. Only when the Theology Council reveals their secrets and our Emperor confirms they are the words representative of Gods will will our path become clear.
Hail Amarr. Amarr Victor!
Archbishop
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Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.22 01:25:00 -
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Quote: Only when our Emperor speaks will we have the final word on the matter.
And if the Emperor goes against the will of God?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mikha'il Pelegius
Quote: Only when our Emperor speaks will we have the final word on the matter.
And if the Emperor goes against the will of God?
A manu dei e tet rimon.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:43:00 -
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Having personally served Grand Master Elata Ardo, I look forward to working closely with the Order of St. Tetrimon again and furthering the readoption of the true Scriptures, should they be proven so. _______________
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:57:00 -
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It is with some reservation that I watch your return Grandmaster.
Your order has the ability to be a great force for the word of God in the Amarran Empire, yet I worry at times that it is so caught in the past that it would attempt to repeat the mistakes of Heideran's reign without learning anything from them.
I believe, as did Heideran by the end of his reign, that the defeat at the hands of the Jovians was a clear cut sign from God that the time for an Amarran Peace had replaced the time for conquest. For our God blessed Empire to best accomplish the will of God, said Empire must survive intact.
Thousands of years ago God punished an Emperor for not acting when the time for war had arrived, and for thousands more years our people followed the course of warfare. Yet, what is the battle agaisnt the Jovians but a punishment for not acting when the correct time for peace had arrived? Would it not then be sacrelidge for us to ignore such a clear cut sign, one that even the emperor Heideran recognised as existing, and instead act as if nothing had changed?
If the Order of Tetrimon is willing to work to preserve the Amarran people, if it is willing to save as many Amarran lives as is humanely possible... then I welcome them with open arms into the Amarran fold. If it wishes to create a circumstance that would endanger amarran lives needlessly, then I must oppose them.
I sincerly hope that it is the first of these that the order will concern itself with, and if it is the case or if they wish any clarification of the above then I cordially invite them to contact myself to discuss how best our two organisations can work together.
Admiral Gaven Lok'ri CEO PIE inc.
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Krethis Marl
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Posted - 2006.01.22 05:02:00 -
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Grand Master Horm, it is a blessing to see the Order return to the empire. We have prayed for what seems like an eternity to be reunited with you. Manu Dei stands by your side.
May God light your path
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Kular
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Posted - 2006.01.22 07:53:00 -
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As a devoted follower of House Sarum I await the return of Tetrimon and what they have to say. I hope the theology council can continue their work on verifying the rest of the Tetrimon scriptures, as like all Amarrians I am very interested in what they have to say.
Tetrimon has my support and the support of my brothers and sisters as well! For God, Empire, and Sarum! |
Corrinus Amarras
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Thousands of years ago God punished an Emperor for not acting when the time for war had arrived, and for thousands more years our people followed the course of warfare. Yet, what is the battle agaisnt the Jovians but a punishment for not acting when the correct time for peace had arrived? Would it not then be sacrelidge for us to ignore such a clear cut sign, one that even the emperor Heideran recognised as existing, and instead act as if nothing had changed?
The time for peace is over, my friend! I feel a great tension in our galaxy, the Gallente/Minmatar alliance has become a real threat to us, and the Caldari are not to be trusted. A time of war will come, and thats why Doriam had to go. As someone else already pointed out, the assassination of Doriam was a clear sign that he was not choosen by god. He was weak and foolish. He will be replaced by a strong leader who knows how to lead his people through the harsh times that will come!
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Grand Master Horm
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:08:00 -
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Grand Master Elata Ardo once said that ôEvidence is all around you, the Empire is weakö. This is even more true today compared to one and a half years ago.
The Moral Reforms, and later the creation of Khanid Kingdom, are only the first events that lead to where we are today. We are no longer a united people and only when walking together can the reclaiming be accomplished. God told the Amarrian people to bring all into the light of his Glory.
We all have to reconsider the foundation our Empire stands upon today. I can understand PIE and their caution; you have always been loyal to the Emperor and his words û even when you have been in doubt. With time you shall understand the transgressions Emperor Doriam II made and that his downfall was inevitable. If he had been guided by the hand of God he would not have give tribute to the ignoble. A man led by God will never consider others equals unless they prove themselves deserving.
Many have asked for proof and to see the scriptures. You should know that we will only show those who show true faith. Such is the knowledge in them it has to be carefully handed to those worthy wielding it. The Manu Dei are worthy, you have always had our trust. With time more of you will see the truth and you will not need to ask for confirmation except in your faith
The Theology Council will never reveal what passages in the scriptures that have been authenticated. They fear what is to come.
We are the guardians of the true word - ensuring that the word of God is spoken truly.
Grand Master Groven Horm Order of St. Tetrimon
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grand Master Horm The Theology Council will never reveal what passages in the scriptures that have been authenticated. They fear what is to come.
With all due respect, Grand Master Horm, if the Theology Council were so afraid of the Tetrimon manuscripts, why would they urge the privy Council to temporarily revoke your exile?
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Grand Master Horm
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:26:00 -
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I am certain that the Theology Council tried to stop the Privy Council as much as they could in this matter. The Privy Council understands that they canÆt hide the truth and that past wrongdoings have to be rectified.
In the light of recent event we can only hope that the Privy Council are no longer puppets to the Theology Council, since they would rather see us perish then let us reclaim our position in the Empire once more.
Grand Master Groven Horm Order of St. Tetrimon
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Arderich
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:47:00 -
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Grand Master Horm, your words give us new hope.
The dark amarrian Bruderschaft supported Tetrimon in the past for our own political goals. This three goals still are: bring back conservative values to the Empire to enable a reunification with the Empire to gain the strength for the reclaiming. In this particular order.
With a stronger position of Tetrimon in the Empire we are getting closer to our second goal. But this is not up to us to decide. We know our place in the Khanid Kingdom and our loyality towards King Khanid II remains unquestionable. He always guided us safely through this testing times. He never gave us a reason to question his authority. We will continue to follow his wisdom.
Without knowledge about your scriptures and without knowledge about what happened in the past during the Moral Reform and during the split of Khanid from the Empire, I do not have facts to justify to make my own decisions. My feeling tells me it would be right to follow you. I am an Amarr but not an animal which follows its instincts so I must ignore my feelings.
I can understand the position of PIE. The Bruderschaft is in a similar situation. We will wait to hear what others have to say. We will wait for more facts.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:52:00 -
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Grand Master Horm, you've begun to gain support even among those who once hunted your order within the Empire. Do not throw away the goodwill you are being shown now. Your comments sound as if you are not even giving the Theology Council a chance, nor are you giving the Privy Council its due respect for lifting your exile. You also sound slightly happy at the death of Doriam II, which could lead to you or your Order being suspect in his assassination.
While I didn't particularly care for Doriam's methods, he did begin to turn around at the end, declaring war on and expelling the Blood Raider Covenant from Imperial borders. The latest events have set us in motion in a positive direction. Don't disrupt in until and unless it starts to turn against you. Let the Theology Council do its work, however painfully slow. Let the Privy Council keep its current course of re-evaluating recent past practices. Wait until something actually goes wrong to cry foul, or your words will be dismissed by those we need to reach most. _______________
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grand Master Horm I am certain that the Theology Council tried to stop the Privy Council as much as they could in this matter. The Privy Council understands that they canÆt hide the truth and that past wrongdoings have to be rectified.
In the light of recent event we can only hope that the Privy Council are no longer puppets to the Theology Council, since they would rather see us perish then let us reclaim our position in the Empire once more.
*The Cosmopolite chuckles...*
However things may have been in the past, the idea that the five Royal Houses have recently been or are now the puppets of the Theology Council is a sick joke.
Moreover, why should you place any faith in the Privy Council? They are a creation of the Moral Reforms that you decry as the beginning of the disintegration of the Empire. What wrongdoings do you imagine the Privy Council - which is to say the Heirs of House Ardishapur, House Kador, House Kor-Azor, House Tash-Murkon and the Chamberlain of House Sarum - are willing to rectify? I hardly think they will be overly keen to restore the Apostles Council and thereby lose a great part of the power they presently wield.
Now, the act of the Privy Council in suspending the edict of outlawry on the Order may have had the support of a majority on that body but I doubt the voices will have been unanimous.
All Amarrians must realise that these events represent a great struggle between progressive and conservative elements within the feudal society that is the Amarrian Empire. Let no-one imagine that piety is a great motivator here. Power is the currency that all parties to these events desire: the power that the Theologico-Imperial system concentrates and maintains in the hands of a few corrupt priests, the Royals Houses and the Imperial Court.
That power is now the subject of a great conflict and anyone who believes that the Empire will gain stability as a result of this titanic struggle is optimistic beyond even the peradventure of blind faith.
The Cosmopolite
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:03:00 -
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For once I must reluctantly agree with parts of the Heretic Cosmopolite's statement.
Quote: However things may have been in the past, the idea that the five Royal Houses have recently been or are now the puppets of the Theology Council is a sick joke.
Moreover, why should you place any faith in the Privy Council? They are a creation of the Moral Reforms that you decry as the beginning of the disintegration of the Empire.
What wrongdoings do you imagine the Privy Council - which is to say the Heirs of House Ardishapur, House Kador, House Kor-Azor, House Tash-Murkon and the Chamberlain of House Sarum - are willing to rectify? I hardly think they will be overly keen to restore the Apostles Council and thereby lose a great part of the power they presently wield.
Is a quite accurate statement that I find myself asking as well, even if the rest of the heretics speech just shows how little he understands those who have faith.
The interpretation of Gods will is what is at stake here, and that is a more powerful and potent issue than any mere matter of secular power.
Still I must state that the recent statement by Grand Master Horm has not exactly encouraged me to greet this return with open arms. I would suggest that perhaps the Tetrimon need to evolve and work with the TC and Privy Council to create a better Empire, rather than takeing a route of subversive malice that will accomplish nothing good for anyone.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri I would suggest that perhaps the Tetrimon need to evolve and work with the TC and Privy Council to create a better Empire, rather than takeing a route of subversive malice that will accomplish nothing good for anyone.
Agreed. Guide them Grand Master, don't fight them. An all or nothing attitude will always lead to destruction. _______________
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Tsual
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:14:00 -
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Smiles Thus this loop ends. ******************
Tsual - Highly ore adddicted. |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2006.01.23 06:34:00 -
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It will be interesting to see which way this sways
I will be watching with great interest
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.24 02:46:00 -
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Quote: I find it saddly ironic that a Caldari finds nobility in a society based on subjugation.
You shouldn't, because it is not ironic at all. The whole foundation of Caldari society is voluntary subjugation. Of course they would idealize it and find it noble.
As for these scriptures, I forsee nothing but good for the Amarr once the two interpretations become public and lines are drawn across their core worlds seperating the believers from the heretics. More blood than even the Inquisition could lap up will be spilt then.
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Jax Altarin
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Posted - 2006.01.24 03:09:00 -
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I will await with much interest the results of all this.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:36:00 -
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All society is voluntary subjugation, Gallente, even yours.
Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Blackheart All society is voluntary subjugation, Gallente, even yours.
When it comes to the Caldari and the Amarr, the 'voluntary' part is not always there.
Let's not confuse the situation of pod pilots with that of the people born with their entire lives pledged to one master or another.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:49:00 -
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One still has the choice between honorable and dishonorable, Shemar. Pod-pilots not withstanding.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:51:00 -
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Are you implying that not wishing to live the life that has been predetermined for you and wanting to make your own choices is somehow dishonorable?
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2006.01.24 23:13:00 -
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Your trust honours Manu Dei Grand Master.
I'd like to inform all that screen shoots from our Elata Ardo cerimony in Thakala sistem last saturday will be publicly released. The porpose was to thank late Grand Master Ardo for the returning of the scriptures. It has been done.
a Manu Dei e Tet Rimon Once a Manudeist allways a Manudeist
God protect us and guide us.
Khan Rodak Manu Dei Religious Order Congregatio Executorium Officiarius
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.25 11:51:00 -
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Quote: All society is voluntary subjugation, Gallente, even yours.
If you actually took a peek out from behind the megacorporate skirt and tasted some real freedom, you'd know how wrong you are.
I don't blame you for the mind-gelding that the corporations have done to you in the past. I do blame you for not being able to see past their brainwashing to become your own person.
Hint: "I" is not spelled "Corporate"
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Arderich
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Posted - 2006.02.06 00:16:00 -
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After I have read the reports from sister Wheya about statements Grand Master Holm and Helmut Orren have made today, my feeling that Tetrimon is on the right path has been invigorated.
Without a doubt Tetrimon gains more and more power among the faithful. To my surprise the officials in the Khanid Kingdom and in the Amarr Empire still prefer to stay silent.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.02.06 03:13:00 -
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I eagerly still await these marvelous revelations as have been implied by the return of Grand Master Horm. While a servant of the Empire and Emperor myself I do realize the truth of the holy scriptures is the ultimate authority. Were something to shine new light on the scriptures and were this to be verified by the Theology Council I would of course as a holy man be bound to observe and obey.
I like all Amarrians want what is best for our Empire. God has decreed we are His chosen. Yet we wait still for an Emperor after the murder of Doriam II. We endure the attacks of terrorists at our borders and fight with veracity and courage but without the leadership of an Emperor.
I pray daily that God grants us a holy and honorable heir to ascend the throne and take His place as the rightful Emperor of Amarr.
Archbishop
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Arderich
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Posted - 2006.02.06 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
I eagerly still await these marvelous revelations as have been implied by the return of Grand Master Horm. While a servant of the Empire and Emperor myself I do realize the truth of the holy scriptures is the ultimate authority.
Wise words, Archbishop. Please allow me to use your statement in a slightly modified version so it can be used not only by citizens of the Amarr Empire but also by citizens of the Khanid Kingdom. I hope you agree this is in the best interest of both of us.
I eagerly still await these marvelous revelations as have been implied by the return of Grand Master Horm. As a servant of God I do realize the truth of the holy scriptures is the ultimate authority.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.02.06 16:13:00 -
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Quote: If you actually took a peek out from behind the megacorporate skirt and tasted some real freedom, you'd know how wrong you are.
If you understand the machinations of mankind you would realize how right I am. The entire point of society is voluntary subjugation. You commit yourself to rules made by others so that you may peaceably coexist with your neighbors. That is how society works.
It is short-sighted and closed-minded to denounce my statement simply because I am Caldari. The fact that your subjectivity does not allow for an Objective viewpoint coming from a Caldari is evidence of that.
You are giving up portions of your free will, whatever that may be, voluntarily so that you might coexist with the remainder of Gallente. If that wasn't the case, there would be no purpose for laws or government. It would be Anarchy. Anyone, anywhere can do anything they want at any time they so choose, but that is not the case, is it? There are laws, binding contracts, things that must be accepted whether you like it or not, are they not?
Certainly, you can lobby in your Federation to have those laws changed, but what does that do beyond forcing another to voluntarily subjugate themselves to your beliefs?
Your lack of understanding of politics and societal purpose is glowing strongly.
Quote: Are you implying that not wishing to live the life that has been predetermined for you and wanting to make your own choices is somehow dishonorable?
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. That is too situationally based of a question to be able to answer with a simple yes or no, Shemar.
((Woo. Didn't realize people replied to me until this got bumped to the top. :| I need to pay more attention. . .))
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