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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:15:00 -
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Unless I missed something, Rubicon will do nothing at all to make Eve and Dust more interconnected. Did I miss something? I hope I missed something.
I speak to Dust players on a fairly regular basis that have no idea what Eve is. Is that the vision that CCP has for Dust?
I also notice a lack of Dev posts in this forum. I understand the Devs that are working on Dust are posting on the Dust forums, but this is the Dust info portal on the Eve forums. Surely this forum should have some kind of comment from Eve or Dust Devs. |
Cadus Anzomi
Carolus Rex Corporation
14
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:47:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Unless I missed something, Rubicon will do nothing at all to make Eve and Dust more interconnected. Did I miss something? I hope I missed something.
I speak to Dust players on a fairly regular basis that have no idea what Eve is. Is that the vision that CCP has for Dust?
I also notice a lack of Dev posts in this forum. I understand the Devs that are working on Dust are posting on the Dust forums, but this is the Dust info portal on the Eve forums. Surely this forum should have some kind of comment from Eve or Dust Devs.
Be patient. Give CCP some time to work on it. "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
328
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:10:00 -
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I would love to see ANYTHING that helps bolster support between the two games. I have a very large contigent of Dust players in my Alliance that actively chat it up with my EVE guys. There is definitely animosity between the ranks, along the lines of "what have you done to help ME?"
And, in all fairness, it's not either players' fault. CCP needs to interconnect the two on a much more deep scale than we currently have. Want Dust514 district ownership to matter? Want to nuke someone's PI from orbit? Read here:
http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2013/09/dust514-and-future-of-planetary.html |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
363
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:15:00 -
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Agreed.
I've pretty much given up on DUST at this point; I think it will stumble along (since its FTP, technically), and generally not be much of anything in EVE.
Given CCP's track record, you can expect major improvements maybe in 2019 or so.
Maybe. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
188
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:32:00 -
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Currently I play Dust about once every other week for around an hour at a time. That gives me time to accrue enough SP passively to maybe upgrade a skill. About 30 minutes is spent looking at skills and the market and making fits, the other half is spent in 2 to 4 matches.
And speaking of matches! About once a match (on ambush/domination) I get spawned into a group of reds. Every other match I join, my MCC is at less than half armor (structure?) I fight valiantly and try to turn the tide of defeat, but haven't succeeded so far. I love spending 2 minutes to load a match to spend 2 minutes in a match before my MCC gets shot down. |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
124
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:10:00 -
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I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites
@CCP_Logibro |
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Luc Chastot
Daktaklakpak.
541
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:41:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums. Very, very intelligent way to handle things. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2062
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:24:00 -
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there are a few things about the dust link which are just explainable to me.
Just to pick an example: FW dust matches influence eve FW sov, but you can play them without any eve interaction. Even orbital bombardment can be done via NPCs, eve players are not required. Also nobody controls who is joining those battles, some corps just join both sides and do a little corp match and don't really care that it influences eve. Its just a random factor on the system sov right now which is a bit sad.
Fun fact: the safest way to take a FW system is to let the opposing faction conquer all districts and make it vulnerable afterwards. This removes the random factor and the system can't drop out of vulnerable (caused through a random dust match without eve-dust player interaction) while your fleet is shooting an ihub.
there should have been some form of kill reports for OBs since the early stages. Killmails have always been a big deal for eve, not only because you can share them, its also some form of keeping track what you did in past. Its eve's only system which keeps track of pvp activity.
OBs used to be the main marketing bullet points for dust - i don't get it. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Aralez
Army Of Penguins
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 01:15:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums.
I wouldn't. dust was fail, mediocre at best, and that's coming right out of a game informer magazine. Just open up stations and give us high rez textures in eve, and let dust burn. |
Alim Omaristos
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
5
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:29:00 -
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Aralez wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums. I wouldn't. dust was fail, mediocre at best, and that's coming right out of a game informer magazine. Just open up stations and give us high rez textures in eve, and let dust burn. What's your dust characters name/how long have you been playing. Because the last few updates to dust have been pretty great.
Oh and game informer is one of the worst gaming pubs. Of course they would hate on Dust gamestop isn't making money off dust sales. |
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Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
66
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:11:00 -
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i like Dust , GO TO HELL ! |
Aralez
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
2
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:53:00 -
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Alim Omaristos wrote:Aralez wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums. I wouldn't. dust was fail, mediocre at best, and that's coming right out of a game informer magazine. Just open up stations and give us high rez textures in eve, and let dust burn. What's your dust characters name/how long have you been playing. Because the last few updates to dust have been pretty great. Oh and game informer is one of the worst gaming pubs. Of course they would hate on Dust gamestop isn't making money off dust sales.
Ive tried it since release and was unimpressed and tried again recently. They fixed the skill layout so managing the character is much better, but the actual game play in combat is still just horrible. aka, terrain detail and movement is just poor. for the number of players that are on they should re-size the maps as well.
and toon shoot, i'm never on cause it sucks... but i'm think its bigblzhangin |
Jarem Sothra
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:55:00 -
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Lately, been getting the hang of DUST, but after the latest patch, the game freezes every time I check my skills or change dropsuit fittings.
About five minutes ago, I just bought and was fitting a heavy Amarr dropsuit, when the game froze.
It's not my PS3 as I can still go into the main menu of the PS3 selections and even quit the game. There is something wrong with DUST.
Please, work it out.
Sincerely,
Jarem Sothra - EVE pilot JnJ917 - DUST Merc.
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Callduron
Corporate Scum Northern Associates.
530
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Posted - 2013.10.14 09:04:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums.
Well that's understandable because after all they are completely separate games... oh wait.
I think at this stage Eve players feel let down by DUST. Frankly it seems to us that DUST is so borked and losing players so quickly that you couldn't do something like make the PI economy depend on DUST if you even wanted to. (And this was what was promised back in 2010).
You're not integrating DUST with Eve because Eve is CCP's cash cow and DUST is a failed experiment: a mediocre, dated shooter with a dwindling player base. CAOD: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
Nosum Hseebnrido
Beyond Hypothetical Box
4
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:47:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Unless I missed something, Rubicon will do nothing at all to make Eve and Dust more interconnected. Did I miss something? I hope I missed something.
I speak to Dust players on a fairly regular basis that have no idea what Eve is. Is that the vision that CCP has for Dust?
I also notice a lack of Dev posts in this forum. I understand the Devs that are working on Dust are posting on the Dust forums, but this is the Dust info portal on the Eve forums. Surely this forum should have some kind of comment from Eve or Dust Devs. That would be cool to get some new Dust/Eve content, but Dust is now on course of fixing core gameplay, and I more likely would like to see rebalanced Vehicles rather than new size of Orbital Support . |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
328
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Posted - 2013.10.15 19:28:00 -
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Nosum Hseebnrido wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:Unless I missed something, Rubicon will do nothing at all to make Eve and Dust more interconnected. Did I miss something? I hope I missed something.
I speak to Dust players on a fairly regular basis that have no idea what Eve is. Is that the vision that CCP has for Dust?
I also notice a lack of Dev posts in this forum. I understand the Devs that are working on Dust are posting on the Dust forums, but this is the Dust info portal on the Eve forums. Surely this forum should have some kind of comment from Eve or Dust Devs. That would be cool to get some new Dust/Eve content, but Dust is now on course of fixing core gameplay, and I more likely would like to see rebalanced Vehicles rather than new size of Orbital Support .
I think the Dust players very much like the balance and it has drastically improved the game. That being said, Dust, as a shooter, is going to lose traction in the FPS realm because CCP's decision to keep it on the PS3. They need to stop worrying about making it look and perform like Battlefield 4 and work on the the thing those games don't have: connection to one of the longest running (and growing) MMO's in the market.
The connections don't need to be bigger bombardments, they could be shared markets, manufacturing, shared local chats (that the Dust characters can choose, of course), and the oft-mentioned "contracting" that is mentioned in many trailers. (see my sig for a simple concept on PI disruption). Want Dust514 district ownership to matter? Want to nuke someone's PI from orbit? Read here:
http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2013/09/dust514-and-future-of-planetary.html |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
193
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:49:00 -
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I have some posts on the Dust forums under that toon's name. It's Kigurosaka Laaksonen if you want to look them up. I'll keep it short and sweet in this post, though.
Nosum and Burseg talking about vehicle balancing and players liking the balance, I'll respond with this. Balance in Dust right now is a waste of time. Dust is missing basic content that makes the vehicle rebalance (for example) effort gone down the drain. What happens to the vehicles rebalance when Minmatar and Amarr vehicles are introduced? When MAVs are introduced? What happens to the interaction between vehicle and anti-vehicle?
Right now CCP is trying to balance based on only half a picture. CCP's first priority should be to follow the pattern established by Eve and finish then release all racial variants of basic dropsuit frames and vehicles, including MAVs. Balance before that is wasted.
Following the pattern set by Eve is crucial. Dust doesn't exist as some new game in a vacuum. It exists in the setting of New Eden, made by the same company. There are expectations and CCP isn't delivering.
I want this game to be awesome. I want people to get the hands on Dust and say "Wow, that was cool! But what was it you said about spaceships?" I want people to really get sucked into New Eden. Right now I don't see CCP on the right course to make that happen.
As a side note, the monthly patch schedule was too much to promise. Even if CCP had the resources to deliver, once a month patching is unnecessary any way. CCP is literally taking a quantity over quality approach. |
Dark Eulogy
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.18 09:30:00 -
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i love dust |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
104
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Posted - 2013.10.28 09:47:00 -
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Aralez wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums. I wouldn't. dust was fail, mediocre at best, and that's coming right out of a game informer magazine. Just open up stations and give us high rez textures in eve, and let dust burn. What's the game informer magazine's take on EVE?
Just curious. |
Ayures
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
65
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:26:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Aralez wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums. I wouldn't. dust was fail, mediocre at best, and that's coming right out of a game informer magazine. Just open up stations and give us high rez textures in eve, and let dust burn. What's the game informer magazine's take on EVE? Just curious.
...Does it matter? It's made by GameStop. They generally give everything at least an 8/10 so you'll buy the games from them. They're not reviews; They're ads. DUST is an exception because they don't get any money from it. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
540
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Posted - 2013.10.29 20:00:00 -
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Our release schedule does not have to line up with EVE expansions, and this includes changes for EVE itself.
We have some pretty big plans in motion to improve the EVE / DUST interaction too, some of which was discussed recently at EVE Vegas (starting at around 15 minutes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zjfBk5vEE
TTH wrote a brief summary of this presentation as well:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/dust514/what-does-the-future-hold CCP Nullarbor | Exotic Dancer |
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Thead Enco
III Legion
7
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Posted - 2013.10.29 20:27:00 -
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soonGäó right? Come Nov 15th those of us will either trade in out PS3's or box them up for good to never look back, Your 60 million units quote that you like to shine on about just got a little small. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
689
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Posted - 2013.10.29 20:46:00 -
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Thead Enco wrote:soonGäó right? Come Nov 15th those of us will either trade in out PS3's or box them up for good to never look back, Your 60 million units quote that you like to shine on about just got a little small. So second hand PS3's will become very cheap, I think I'll grab one as the kids are flogging them off to stay ahead. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Nomistrav
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
209
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Posted - 2013.10.29 21:11:00 -
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Meh, no good games coming out for the PS4 that I'm interested in. The only time I think I'll ever invest in it is when it's holding a Quantic Dream game hostage.
Planetside 2 is ballsy, way too monotonous and doesn't have any meta/politics/etc. Warframe is good if you like repetitious grinding for gear or paying outrageous prices for stuff you have to grind up anyway.
Destiny just looks like a really long and boring version of Borderlands, complete with the traditional World of Warcraft leveling system where all of your friends want you to get to the level cap so they can make new characters and not play together anyway. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
201
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:26:00 -
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Fair point, I understand completely that your Eve and Dust release schedules don't have to match up. Eve's release schedule is tried and true. Dust's current once monthly release schedule has produced rushed, buggy, forgettable patches. Could once a month be too resource intensive to be productive? Once a month updates for the sake of once a month updates is literally a quantity over quality approach. But that's neither here nor there.
The point is that Dust has no meaningful connection to Eve.
As a side note, I would say the only priority before a meaningful Eve-Dust relation is to solidify Dust's game play foundation by adding all four racial variants of basic light, medium, and heavy dropsuit frames and vehicles. Putting this basic content into the game will ensure that Dust has a complete foundation upon which to build a meaning Eve-Dust relation. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.11.03 16:32:00 -
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Aralez wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I keep an eye on here from time to time, but for the most part I spend my time on the DUST forums. I wouldn't. dust was fail, mediocre at best, and that's coming right out of a game informer magazine. Just open up stations and give us high rez textures in eve, and let dust burn.
******* good concept screwed over by nerds who think they know everything, its a serious issue with todays gaming industry. **** sure twats who know or can contribute **** all.
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fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.11.03 16:45:00 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Meh, no good games coming out for the PS4 that I'm interested in. The only time I think I'll ever invest in it is when it's holding a Quantic Dream game hostage.
Planetside 2 is ballsy, way too monotonous and doesn't have any meta/politics/etc. Warframe is good if you like repetitious grinding for gear or paying outrageous prices for stuff you have to grind up anyway.
Destiny just looks like a really long and boring version of Borderlands, complete with the traditional World of Warcraft leveling system where all of your friends want you to get to the level cap so they can make new characters and not play together anyway.
i didnt see you mention titan.
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eatsbabies cienfuegos
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:14:00 -
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they've been fairly tight-lipped about the interconnection coming with the rubicon update. but I believe that's because they don't want to say very much about the dust update that will come about 2 weeks after.
I guess i'm hoping that the rubicon update eve side is laying the foundation for complete market unification. |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
336
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:18:00 -
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Cadus Anzomi wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:Unless I missed something, Rubicon will do nothing at all to make Eve and Dust more interconnected. Did I miss something? I hope I missed something.
I speak to Dust players on a fairly regular basis that have no idea what Eve is. Is that the vision that CCP has for Dust?
I also notice a lack of Dev posts in this forum. I understand the Devs that are working on Dust are posting on the Dust forums, but this is the Dust info portal on the Eve forums. Surely this forum should have some kind of comment from Eve or Dust Devs. Be patient. Give CCP some time to work on it.
Are you serious give them more time to work it out......maybe they should have run the Alpha or beta alittle longer before throwing this crap game to the wolfs. How many years do you think it will take for them to fix this nightmare.
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eatsbabies cienfuegos
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:59:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Cadus Anzomi wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:Unless I missed something, Rubicon will do nothing at all to make Eve and Dust more interconnected. Did I miss something? I hope I missed something.
I speak to Dust players on a fairly regular basis that have no idea what Eve is. Is that the vision that CCP has for Dust?
I also notice a lack of Dev posts in this forum. I understand the Devs that are working on Dust are posting on the Dust forums, but this is the Dust info portal on the Eve forums. Surely this forum should have some kind of comment from Eve or Dust Devs. Be patient. Give CCP some time to work on it. Are you serious give them more time to work it out......maybe they should have run the Alpha or beta alittle longer before throwing this crap game to the wolfs. How many years do you think it will take for them to fix this nightmare.
I think it's doing fine. I think you probably got your ass handed to you in dust and came to these forums to qq about it.
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