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Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
84
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:25:00 -
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As everyone else has already said, drop the lazer bonuse. Either give it a better drone bonus or a more specialised bonuse e.g. Can fit 1 bomb launcher. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
311
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:29:00 -
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Dehval wrote:Since I have nothing better to do than make psuedo fits for this ship since I don't have an EFT file for it. Have an Armor fit. Results of the tank were used via simulation off a Maller hull, which has the same bonuses but 100 less base armor. So roughly the same. We went with lasers since people were bitching at how "impractical" blasters are on a CLOAKY SHIP THAT CAN DICTATE INITIAL ENGAGEMENT RANGE.
[SoE Cruiser Armor] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN Microwarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I 10mn Afterburner II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x5
1177/1184.5 PG (3% implant needed) 498/500 CPU
Note - I dual propped it because it is possible and some people are into that sort of thing. You can drop the AB and no longer need a 3% PG implant or throw on a 1600mm II (which is about 2k more ehp). You will need a CPU implant for most other mid slot EWAR effects that go above 27 cpu. Another Balmer TD will require a 1% CPU for example.
Highlights. DPS with the following: Overheats in () Conflag - 862(886), 6.8+3.8km Imp. Navy - 845(867), 6.8+3.8km Scorch - 816(833), 20+3.8km
EHP (Maller Base) 40,508. Likely about 42k with that extra 100 base. For added fun use Slaves and get 99k EHP (102k with T2 plate). Since this will likely see most of its use in low-sec I don't see why not to use slaves.
Speed - I am again just ballparking, it has less mass than a Nomen, but rather poor base speed. So probably, 1600m/s MWD speed give or take, 400-450m/s AB. Doubtful its cap stable with everything running, but with a Scram and a Web you can shut off the MWD when you get close and not give a damn.
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I really have nothing better to do than sit here and make stupid fits for a stupid ship that really should not go live in its current state. Yay! I've always wanted a tracking disruptor, dual prop, full tackle, cloaky cruiser with 800+ dps at 20km. And it comes with ecm drones and the works. And it has 40k ehp, how nice.
Boy oh boy, this is gonna be a fun ship. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
583
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:31:00 -
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Why not giving them another bonus than a armor tanking bonus ? So that we can shield tank them and feel optimized. G££ <= Me |
LakeEnd
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
49
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:42:00 -
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I know its kinda big chance, but I think the cruiser could do with one more low slow and one less mid slot. Anyway looks cool enough and the models with white paintjob are quite refreshingly different. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4152
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:48:00 -
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So what hull do we have to surrender to get the Astero and Stratios? Imicus and Vexor? Crucifier and Arbitrator?
Not that I'm planning on stockpiling these hulls at all. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:03:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:So what hull do we have to surrender to get the Astero and Stratios? Imicus and Vexor? Crucifier and Arbitrator?
Not that I'm planning on stockpiling these hulls at all. You don't surrender any hull. It's not a Navy Ship.. it's a "Pirate" ship. So stockup on either lots of minerals and a little LP, or just lots of LP :p
Also people stop trying to take away Mids. The reason I love drone boats is they actually have mid slots, allowing them to, you know, DO STUFF. It's also why I loth Amarr ships, cause they never have enough mids to anything special. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
84
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:20:00 -
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^ the cruiser would be better with 4 mids and 6 lows. You could get a prop mod, point and a couple drone tracking mods if you wanted. The extra low slot would enable you to use the ship as intended (armour tank) by allowing you to fit a good tank and damage mods. |
Inggroth
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
30
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:35:00 -
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Couple of days after Rubicon hits:
3-4 Stratios, cloaky Sabre, Falcon and 1-2 tacklers on EVERY frequented gate in eve.
:sigh: Rise, Fozzie i thought you guys knew better... |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
54
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:44:00 -
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have they given it a covert cyno yet |
GREYBOBSASS
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:02:00 -
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6 HI 5 TURRETS OR GTFO |
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
583
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:07:00 -
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After running some calculations...
They are CLEARLY over powered. BRACE YOURSELVES ! WOW POWER CREEP IS COMING TO EVE.
Edit : And it's tiring to see armor only drone boats. G££ <= Me |
Yolo
Yolo Corp xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
47
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:09:00 -
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I would have expected the cruiser to have reduction to cov-ops cpu usage, without it, there is no way in the world it will be able to fit the cloak.
Also I would have expected a 2nd bonus towards drones for both frigate and cruiser, much in line with Gallente ships. However, if tracking and speed is concidering to overpowered.
Maybe they could get survivability such as 5% reduction is drone signature and increased speed. - since 2003, bitches |
XvXTeacherVxV
S.E.N.T.I.N.E.L.
27
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:09:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:
What we're shooting for is ships that are themed around exploration and therefor make good platforms for a range of activities including probing, hacking, exploration combat sites, anoms, killing anom runners, spying on people, looking super sexy and generally being kind of awesome.
If the frigate should be able to probe, salvage and cloak without refitting, it needs 3 high slots.
Also, that cruiser is overpowered. Should only have a bandwidth of 75, 100 tops. |
ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors Insidious Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:11:00 -
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So much damn stupid in this thread. |
Laner Irondoll
Breathe.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:12:00 -
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Good ships but IMO there is no valid reasons to fit lasers on them and if you envision them armor tanked more low and less mid slots would be better. |
Urkhan Law
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
16
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:16:00 -
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XvXTeacherVxV wrote: If the frigate should be able to probe, salvage and cloak without refitting, it needs 3 high slots.
Salvage drones?
Different design, they look good, but they also look very very overpowered, usually ships able to fit cov ps cloak never had that kind of tank/gank for a reason. Maybe the uncloaked mobility will cripple them but since the ship can dictate range right from the star I doubt it.
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Naomi Anthar
128
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:19:00 -
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Altrue wrote:After running some calculations...
They are CLEARLY over powered. BRACE YOURSELVES ! WOW POWER CREEP IS COMING TO EVE.
Edit : And it's tiring to see armor only drone boats.
You clearly miss part where you can shield tank tristan, vexor, algos, vexor navy issue, dominix - hell even myrmidon.
Oh you also miss worm, gila and rattlesnake... |
Pellit1
Vitai Lampada Sicarius Draconis
1
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:20:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Let's be honest: Remove the lousy 'Capuse Bonus' and give it 100% reduced locking delay after decloaking
ALL OF THIS!
Seriously though, they look amazing, although I do agree that I feel the Frigate should be able to use both turret hardpoints or even a salvager along with the probe launcher and covops cloak
Altrue wrote:After running some calculations...
They are CLEARLY over powered. BRACE YOURSELVES ! WOW POWER CREEP IS COMING TO EVE.
Overreation much |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
84
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:37:00 -
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Malcolm Malicious wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Liafcipe9000 wrote:due to earlier posts about the Astero high slot problem, I suggest giving it a drone damage bonus. it doesn't make sense not enabling it to use turrets when doing its job AND not giving it a drone damage bonus of at least 15% per level.
and a utility high on both the frig and cruiser. why enable 4 turrets when you can only use 3?! The frigate already gets a big drone damage bonuse, It doesn't need guns. The cruiser has 4 turret slots because you don't have to fit a probe launcher. You could fit a cloak and 4 guns. 20% per level to drone durability, not damage.
Oh... I that case is don't like that frigate anymore :(
It should have a bonuse to drone hit points AND damage! |
Silenciel
French Kiss Singularity Astromechanica Federatis
5
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:39:00 -
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Any idea of how LP we need to get them ? |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
535
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:44:00 -
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Alghara wrote:interesting but ...
Do you believe somebody put laser on this ship. Can you explain why because they are not bonus on damage or something (only use capacitor on energy turret).
BECAUSE WIthout damage bonus Pulses OUTDAMAGE AC at point blank and in real engagement ranges they do more than 2 TIEMS the dps of AC. On those same ranges they do about 30% more damage than unbonused blasters.
That is why SMART people would fit lasers in the proposed configuration (specially for huntign shansha as he states). |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
535
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:45:00 -
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Maya VonNeumann wrote:Please don't skimp on CPU, Power and or Capacitors. I hate wasting good slots on augments. If it's going to be a multi role ship it should have decent stats in those areas.
But that is the whoel balance point. THey know that if they make too easy to fit, those ships will be overpowered. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
535
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:47:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Has anyone noticed it's the same 3 or 4 people reposting and saying the ship is OP?
The ship is fine, as I said before. No one will realistically shield gank fit this. It's too expensive. It's like fitting a hull-tanked Cynabal or single-LSE Vigilant and then calling it overpowered. And if cost isn't an issue, it has too little HP.
It sounds like some people here want the ship to be good at NOTHING, because it gives solo and small gangs some guerrilla power over big blob alliances. It also prevents them from getting easy kills in low/null sites.
Nope those peopel have a poitn> The ship is BORDERLINE OP. Specially since we know the current standard for pirate ships is goign to be nerfed. This ship must have the same power level as the vigilant, and Cynabal, not more. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
535
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:50:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: REduce drone bay to 200 meters and the problem is solved
The drone bay is fine as is. Given the role of extended deployment/exploration a large drone bay is necessary. If you can't replace lost drones while deployed deep in nullsec then the ship is useless. That's why the drone bay and cargo are so large, its a necessity of the role.
200 is already enough to have a healthy replacement.
If you cannto avoid loosing 375m of drones every time you go explore.. then you are the useless. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
535
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:52:00 -
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Dehval wrote:Ravasta Helugo wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Dehval wrote:That fact that you can choose your targets is what makes the 1.1k dps so extreme. No other ship with that kind of damage output has that ability.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I think the problem is not that huge dps is that it can field the ogres whiel having PLENETY space for backup drones. REduce drone bay to 200 meters and the problem is solved I think the drone bay makes sense, actually. They just combined the two drone-weapon races for the first time. The drone bay should be incredible. Honestly? If I had my way I would lower the drone damage bonus to 5% per level, but give it a 5% Laser damage bonus per Amarr cruiser level as well. Switch the cap usage to 100% bonus damage, drop down to 2 (maybe 3) hardpoints. It is now more focused towards lasers (the original intent) and the Blaster Gank fit is no longer viable. The overall dps of the ship suffers a little now that you can't just stack DDAs to get over 900, but at least it isn't in Hyperion/Talos levels of bullshit damage for a covert class cruiser.
That is reasonable.
Makes harder to min max the ship. It would be a strong combat vessel, but would not be a vigilant... with cloak :/ |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
525
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:01:00 -
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i do like the large dronebay makes you wonder why drone boats in general don't get bigger dronebays... Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1459
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:04:00 -
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Altrue wrote:After running some calculations...
They are CLEARLY over powered. BRACE YOURSELVES ! WOW POWER CREEP IS COMING TO EVE.
Edit : And it's tiring to see armor only drone boats.
Worm, Gila, Rattler. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Bloody2k
DER AUFSTAND
9
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:07:00 -
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I support a concept, which wont support generally scan strenght.
SOE Frigate: + combat scanner probe strenght SOE Cruiser: + core scanner probe strenght
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1222
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:23:00 -
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Silenciel wrote:Any idea of how LP we need to get them ?
Frigate 80,000 LP same as other "pirate" factions + ISK or whatever it takes Cruiser 240,000 LP same as other "pirate" factions + ISK or whatever it takes
But that is my gues only |
Trax Chasmwalker
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:42:00 -
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What about virus strenght? Covert Ops frigates have +10 and it's ok if you have all 5 hacking skills (in 0 space). Maybe +5 role bonus is too small? |
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