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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:53:00 -
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I still maintain that these are very, very bad changes.
After some time to reflect I see the obvious problem is the Myrmidon; a hull which deserves more use. It is the only combat battlecruiser hull without any variants, for whatever reason. It needs a variant, of course. The opportunity that was spurned with the introduction of Navy battlecruisers now comes back to haunt. Why Navy Canes, Bingers & Drakes (previous tier 2 hulls) were released alongside the Navy Brutix (previous tier 1), an already overused hull is beyond mortal comprehension. The Navy battlecruiser should have been the Myrm and the decision to do otherwise was very poor.
What we have here is an apparently lazy, hamfisted attempt to fix the problem; sh*tting over the remaining hulls in the process. Stupid. You're essentially replacing the Myrmidon at the underused table with the Ferox, Cyclone and Prophecy.
I reiterate from my previous post. Loldrake, another Cane? Do not want. |
Fel'ina Twilight
Tesseract Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:09:00 -
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On second thought,
yeah, changing the Hurricane is a bad idea. just give the Hurricane skin to the Claymore.
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Tal'aaq
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:28:00 -
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it's a shame the sleipnir will lose its striking visual correlation to its namesake: the 8-panel array of the Cyclone hull. the Hurricane has the 8 flippers, but they're mismatched and small |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7769
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:39:00 -
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Hey everyone, I'm back from vacation and now fully caught up on this thread. Thanks for the feedback so far.
The proposed models will be working on Sisi when it updates later today so you guys can see them ingame for yourselves.
Quick point that I saw come up a few times, this change does not affect the names of the ships, they'll still be called the Absolution, Sleipnir, Eos and Nighthawk.
Weaselior wrote:This owns, thanks.
Are there any manufacturing changes besides just swapping the BPC you need to use to invent and the base ship needed? Nope, those are the only two changes to the manufacturing process for these ships we have planned.
I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Kane Fenris
NWP
91
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:19:00 -
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when i read fozzie's post i come to the conclusion the chance that any changes are made is the one of hell freezing over in summer |
Alyssia Benar
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
21
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:28:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models. But why are you guys planning to change it if there is no need to do so? Nobody was ever complaining about the CS models (atleast i had never noticed).
I'm already missing my Sleipnir cause the Cyclone model feels so fitting. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1339
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:47:00 -
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Alyssia Benar wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models. But why are you guys planning to change it if there is no need to do so? Nobody was ever complaining about the CS models (atleast i had never noticed). I'm already missing my Sleipnir cause the Cyclone model feels so fitting.
how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?
cuss i sure do... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Alyssia Benar
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
21
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:52:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?
cuss i sure do... Like i said i had never noticed anyone complaining about the command ship models. Now as they intreduced the changes alot of ppl find them very nice looking but there wasn't a massive shitstorm about ppl crying for new command ship models before. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1339
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:55:00 -
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Alyssia Benar wrote:MeBiatch wrote:how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?
cuss i sure do... Like i said i had never noticed anyone complaining about the command ship models. Now as they intreduced the changes alot of ppl find them very nice looking but there wasn't a massive shitstorm about ppl crying for new command ship models before.
true enough but there were some like me who did raise the idea over the years.
its like when they changed the covert ops model.... back in the day both EAS and covert ops had the same model... then they changed it and now the old covert ops is now the EAS.
i am still lobying for the ishkur to look like a tech II tristan... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Hanna Cyrus
Paranocxium Brotherhood Of Silent Space
24
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:10:00 -
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I'm sorry to say, it:s not a good idea. I like the hulls that are used now. I don't want to see 3 times the same hull (normal, navy and planned the t2).
It makes no sense for me, there are other things, that need really love, but this is working as it should be. (2 times the hulls and not 3 vs 1). |
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TFK Killermaster
The Flying Killers Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:13:00 -
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who has since, crap again thought of that? you give the ships a new design, for what? you just exchanged the cases known ships ships known to others! what is it now, now be so great? you go about the ideas, for new ship designs from? or why are you doing the crap, because you have no buck, finally attack the right subjects, are already long on the list?? I am totally disappointed by YOU CCP. This crap anyway you can save you, or if you have it then makes at least, really, with all new hulls!!
TFK |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
11
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:41:00 -
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TFK Killermaster wrote:who has since, crap again thought of that? you give the ships a new design, for what? you just exchanged the cases known ships ships known to others! what is it now, now be so great? you go about the ideas, for new ship designs from? or why are you doing the crap, because you have no buck, finally attack the right subjects, are already long on the list?? I am totally disappointed by YOU CCP. This crap anyway you can save you, or if you have it then makes at least, really, with all new hulls!!
TFK
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Invictor
Brutal Retribution
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:11:00 -
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Dev time spent on changes that are not needed.
AGAIN.
A big backlog of stuff that has been broken for years. The only thing that needs changing is your approach to your customers
CCP - you are a joke |
NFain
Industry for Tomorrow Incorporated
13
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:12:00 -
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NOOOOOOOOOO I love the ships the way they are. I think the ships have their own unique character with the tier 1 models. It gives them a unique style and class that only comes with command ships.
If anything please make their own models if you want to move away from the tier one models. I think the tier 2 models look horrible for a t2 version. They're so overused, i don't want a black and red drake, i don't want a drake period honestly. Keep the uniqueness of these ships away from the overused battle-cruisers. Please keep these ships rarity and uniqueness alive. |
Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:16:00 -
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What is wrong with you guys. Its a freaking database ID swap. What TIME are you guys whining about?
Using the same ship model for the command ships is redundant and boring. Go through with the changes Fozzie.
such nerdism itt |
Slykar
Weltenschmiede
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:32:00 -
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Harbinger new Abso???? ugly UGLY!!!
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NFain
Industry for Tomorrow Incorporated
14
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:40:00 -
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I also find it funny that Everyone who actively flies these ships, doesn't want the change. And everyone who doesn't, does.
People who fly it > People who don't. |
Slykar
Weltenschmiede
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:49:00 -
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why CCP dont add both design to the game and we can build both types ? everyone will be happy
Rule 1: dont touch a running system ! empty |
Madnews
Gangbang-Gang Alpha Volley Union
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:00:00 -
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Pleas do not Changes the Models. I love my Absolution Please Please let desing as it is. |
Daggaroth
Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate Waffle Batter Trade Consortium
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:45:00 -
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I had to logon from work to say:
Please do not change the looks of the current command ships.
The Nighthawk is currently using the Ferox hull. In my opinion one of the most deadly and down right iconic looking hulls in the game. Missiles coming off the nighthawk look incredible and if switched to the drake hull, you would just have a reskinned drake that shoots more powerful missiles and not something new when upgrading from Drake to Nighthawk.
The Absolution, kinda looks like a bloated eagle, and quite honestly I wouldn't mind the skin changing but if I am going to defend one I should probably defend them all.
The Sleipnir is so darn warrior like compared to the hurricane, it looks like you could physically click it up and club someone over the head. If switched to the hurricane, that big deadly space train / space club would disappear into
The Eos, I have never flown so I can't really defend it, but I think the big brutix nose suits a command ship look and presence a bit more then the Myrm.
If I had to defend just one, it would be the Sleipnir, and if I had to defend just two it would be the Sleipnir and the Nighthawk. I am rather conflicted as I think the Absolution and Eos might be improvements but the Sleipnir and Nighthawk would be great detractions from what make those ships look so darn iconic and part of why they are fun to fly.
Anyway this is my feedback and I hope you will read it and take it into consideration when moving forward.
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Irac Ranon
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:46:00 -
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I really don't like the model change for the Absolution... It's the ship that got me playing EVE. I love the Prophecy, especially in red and gold. It's like a bad joke that you are changing it into an ugly Harbinger just before I'm able to fly it. Isn't there a possibility to keep the old Absolution model? |
jwingender
Tar Valon Research and Development
5
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:51:00 -
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NFain wrote:I also find it funny that Everyone who actively flies these ships, doesn't want the change. And everyone who doesn't, does.
People who fly it > People who don't.
I fly the Sleipnir and Eos and wholeheartedly support these changes. Blanket statements about other people's opinions are bad m'kay. Try speaking just for yourself in the future.
This change makes complete sense. T2 ships should be based on their T1 hull. I.e. Eos getting the myrmidon hull, etc. Having a drone ship with a Brutix hull is dumb. Missile spewing ship with a Ferox hull, ********.
I just wonder how many nice things we wouldn't have if CCP actually listened to all the "HELL NO!!11!2" doom-and-gloomers. |
Fasturian Icildentirf
T.N.T ORE Industry
14
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:59:00 -
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This change is logical even if some of the hulls are a little ugly. If it matters I fly the Sleipnir and love the ship, and definitely won't mind it no longer being a space train. I also fly the Absolution and am not thrilled about the change to the Harbinger hull, but the command ships actually matching the hulls of the most similar Tech 1 battlecruisers is something I have been wanting before CCP even said anything.
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Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
41
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:18:00 -
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Just got back from the Sisi. The Absolution looks like a giant dildo right now. I want my chicken back. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1220
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:31:00 -
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On Sisi - warming to the sleipnir as a cane but would prefer a fresh model - camo actually looks great! |
NFain
Industry for Tomorrow Incorporated
16
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:55:00 -
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jwingender wrote:NFain wrote:I also find it funny that Everyone who actively flies these ships, doesn't want the change. And everyone who doesn't, does.
People who fly it > People who don't. I fly the Sleipnir and Eos and wholeheartedly support these changes. Blanket statements about other people's opinions are bad m'kay. Try speaking just for yourself in the future. This change makes complete sense. T2 ships should be based on their T1 hull. I.e. Eos getting the myrmidon hull, etc. Having a drone ship with a Brutix hull is dumb. Missile spewing ship with a Ferox hull, ********. I just wonder how many nice things we wouldn't have if CCP actually listened to all the "HELL NO!!11!2" doom-and-gloomers.
Why would you want to change some of the most iconic ships in eve to overused hulls we see each and every day? Please keep in mind the character of your ships that the hulls themselves give them. Why do you want another Hurricane fleet issue? The Brutix honestly is such an Iconic hull for the Eos. My fondest memory in eve that made me forever fall in love with Commands was an pre-nerf Green and grey Eos approaching my caracal, blasters blazing and it's ogre II's ripping me apart. It's just not the same with a myrmidon.
Seriously think about the character you're giving these ships. All tier two battle cruisers do is die in a fire each and everyday, they feel and look flimsy. They're overused for each and every task, and they just have this cheap feeling attached to them.
The less used tier 1 battle-cruisers are so much better suited to these ships. Tier 1 Battle-cruisers look and feel tough, even though they aren't, their character is get in there, get the job done, and get out. The hulls tell a story for these ships that the tier 2s just don't. |
Delhaven
Arkhon Industries Solarmark Coalition
18
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:06:00 -
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I never did like the way the Brutix looked. On the other hand, the Myrmidon is one of my favourite ships. So to me, it's a no brainer to switch the Eos. |
TFK Killermaster
The Flying Killers Gatekeepers Universe
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:35:00 -
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Post 1/2
CCP Fozzie wrote: I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
German
Was soll das ? Bei jedem Patch werden irgendwelche Schiffsh++llen ver+ñndert oder bestehende H++llen, anderen Schiffen zugeordnet. Das ist eine emense Verschwendung von Entwicklungszeit und ISK, die sagt mir mein Gef++hl. Was soll daran positiv sein das ich mich viele Jahre an ein Schiffsdesign gew+¦hnt habe und ihr total lustlos einfach mal die H++llen tauscht. Sorry das h+¦rt sich f++r mich nach 0815 Redesign an und nicht nach Neuentwicklung. Warum werden nicht endlich mal die Sachen angegangen die uns Spielern schon so lange auf den Magen schl+ñgt. Wof++r wurde damals der Schiffsdesignwettbewerb ins Leben gerufen ??? Da gab es so viele tolle Designs die man h+ñtte in Eve Umsetzen k+¦nnen. Ich weis echt nicht was der Unsinn, den ihr da veranstaltet eigentlich soll. Ich weis ja nciht wie lange Eure Creativlosen Schiffdesigner aktuell brauchen um ein neues Schiffsdesign zu entwickeln. Ich f++r mein Teil w++rde sage mit 3D Studio Max ben+¦tige ca. 5 Stunden f++r eine komplett neue Schiffh++lle im Low Poligon Mesh. eventuell noch weitere 5 Stunden f++r ein entsprechendes Skindesign im DDS Format.
Wenn Ihr keine Ideen mehr f++r doppelte Schiffsh++llen habt, dann fragt die Community, Hier gibt es mehr als genug Creative K+¦pfe die gern Ihr eigenes Schiffsdesign in EVE wieder sehen w++rden. Also veranstaltet doch mal wieder einen Wettbewerb in diese Richtung und holt Euch da neue H++llen, f++r die Commandschiffe und andere Schiffe die aktuell in doppelter Form schon total sinnlos existieren. Diese k+¦nnt Ihr ja dann im n+ñchsten Patch so einflie+ƒen lassen sodas viele sich dar++ber freuen werden mal komplett neue Designs zu sehen.
Dinge die endlich mal umgesetzt werden m++ssen!!!
1. BUGS korrigieren !!!!!!!! 2. Posstrukturumbau 3. Corp Rechte System schon ewig ++berf+ñllig !!!! Das alte ist eine Katastrophe..... 4. Walking on Station endlich umsetzen !!! Seit der ersten Ank++ndigung warte ich auch Ergebnisse ....... 5. Ich hab mit CCP Phantom in K+¦ln lang und breit ++ber einige Ideen und bekannten Problemen gesprochen. Ich sehe nicht einen Punkt davon in der Patchliste das sich da irgendwas daran ge+ñndert h+ñtte..... Was ist mit dem Personal Hanga Array, wann wird es endlich mal richtig einsatzf+ñhig sodas man es sinnvoll nutzen kann. Ohne das die Member Ihr Material verlieren wenn es abgebaut wird ? 6. Wo bleibt den mal ein Gegenst++ck zum PHA , z.B. ein Personal Shipmaintaince Array ???? 7. Und was zum geier soll das mit den Zertifikaten ? Das ist sowas von total ++berfl+++ƒig !!!! Ich habe 0 Nutzen davon. Ich kann weder mit Zertis PVP betreiben noch ISK verdienen. Viele sagen das selbe TOTAL +£berfl+++ƒig!!!!! 8. Ihr sagt ihr wollt das Game Anf+ñngerfreundlicher machen ??? Was hat ein Anf+ñnger davon wenn er sieht welche Schiffe er nicht fliegen kann? NICHTS !!! Er muss diese trotzdem Skillen und daf++r haben wir den Markt und den Skillbaum um zu sehen wie weit wir sind. 9. Ich warte immer noch auf Alliance Bookmarks....
Viel ++berfl+++ƒiges Zeug, wo jede Menge Zeit und Geld verschwendet werden, anstatt endlich mal die Baustellen anzugreifen die Ihr schon Jahre lang vor Euch herschiebt und nicht vollendet. Nein mit jedem halben Jahr was verstreicht sieht man wieder neue Baustellen die Ihr Euch selber schafft und nicht finalisiert.
Es mag sein das viele hier anders dar++ber denken, aber viele sehen es auch genauso wie ich, dass Ihr total an der Community vorbei entwickelt! Wof++r fragt Ihr uns eigentlich ++berhaupt noch was wir davon finden. Ihr schaft Euch doch eh nur neue Baustellen und geht nie wirklich auf die Community ein.
Ihr solltet Euch mal langsam am Riemen rei+ƒen und schauen das Eure ganzen Buggy Baustellen finalisiert werden. Denn sonst m++sst Ihr Euch bald keine Sorgen mehr um Anf+ñngerfreundlichkeit machen sondern, wie halten wir unsere langj+ñhrigen Spieler bei der Stange damit diese nicht zu anderen Spielen abwandern......!!!!!! Aber wenn Ihr kein Interesse daran habt den Spielern was sinnvolles zu Pr+ñsentieren dann fahrt Euren Server herunter und entlasst s+ñmtliche Mitarbeiter schlie+ƒt die Firma und beendet dieses Game mit einem Schlag.
Oder denkt mal dar++ber nach, endlich mal Eure Baustellen zu beenden, worauf die Community schon lange wartet !!!!!!!!
Sorry people, but this **** here with me also generated very strong negative feelings. That is why I write the Google translater use in my native language and unfortunately it has |
TFK Killermaster
The Flying Killers Gatekeepers Universe
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:38:00 -
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Post 2/2
English Version Google Translate sorry Mates, it is a little bit screwy
What is this? For each patch any hulls are changed or assigned to existing cases , other ships . This is a emense waste of development time and ISK , which tells me my feeling . What should be positive because I 'm used to many years of a ship design and totally listless times simply exchanged her sleeves. Sorry that sounds to me like 0815 redesign , not by new development. Why things are not finally tackled the beats us players for so long on the stomach. What time of the ship's design competition was launched ? Since there were so many great designs that could have been reacting in Eve . I know not really what the nonsense you actually held as intended . Yes I know how long your Creativ lots nciht ship designer currently need to develop a new ship design . For my part I would say with 3D Studio Max need about 5 hours for a completely new hull in the low polygon mesh. possibly a further 5 hours for a corresponding skindesign in DDS format.
If you have any more ideas for double hulls , then asks the community , where there is more than enough creative minds who would like to see your own ship design in EVE again . So yet again organized a competition in this direction and bring you as new cases that currently exist for the command ships and other vessels in two ways already totally pointless. This then yes you can incorporate in the next patch so many sodas will rejoice times to see all new designs.
Things that must finally be implemented once !
1 Correct BUGS ! ! ! 2 Pos structure conversion 3 Corp. rights system for ages overdue! ! The old is a disaster ..... 4 Finally realize Walking on station ! Since the first announcement, I also wait Results ....... 5 I 'm with CCP Phantom in Cologne at length talked about some ideas and known issues. I do not see a point of it in the patch list that would have changed anything because it ..... What about the staff Hanga array when it is finally operational sodas right to use it makes sense can . Without the members lose your stuff if it is broken ? 6 Where's the times a counterpart to the PHA , for example a personal Shipmaintaince array? ? 7 And what the vulture 's with the certificates ? This is kind of totally unnecessary ! ! I have 0 benefit. I can not operate with Zertis PVP still earn ISK . Many say the same TOTAL Overgrips ! ! 8 You say you want to make the game beginner friendly ? What does a beginner it when he sees what ships he can not fly? NOTHING ! He shall nevertheless skilling and for this we have the market and the skill tree to to see how far we are . 9 I 'm still waiting for Alliance bookmarks ....
A lot of irrelevant stuff where a lot of time and money are wasted , rather than the construction finally attack pushes your already years ahead of you and not completed. No elapses with each half year which you can see again the new sites you create your own and not finalized.
It may be that many here think differently about it , but many see it as well as I do that your totally developed in the community over! What you ask us really at all what we find it. Your community but you always just new construction sites and never really goes to a community .
You should take time slowly pull the strap so that your whole buggy sites are finalized. Otherwise I need you soon no longer worry about beginner friendly but, as we maintain our long-term players in the rod so that it does not migrate to other games ...... ! ! But if your not interested in the players have something useful to Present, then ride your server down and announced to all employees, the company closes and finishes this game with one blow.
Or think about it times , finally to finish your construction sites , to which the community has been waiting for ! ! !
TFK |
Tragedy
The Creepshow
96
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:35:00 -
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Can we please, PLEASE not have anymore space camo? Im stoked for a sleipnir cane. Space camouflage paintjobs are about the worst looking and most ridiculous thing I've seen in a video game in a long time. |
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