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Ragnar Alestorm
Bacon Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:04:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Ragnar Alestorm wrote: the sleipnir........is the sleipnir. the hull itself doesnt look that good but somehow it became so iconic and badass, its not even funny. -> changed to a cane (which looks awesome, but still.......its just not the same.) with a VERY meh color scheme.
What I really don't understand about this complaint - which keeps coming up again and again, btw - is why nobody complains about the color scheme being bad or meh until it appears on a Hurricane hull. It's the same exact color scheme that the Cyclone-based Sleipnir has RIGHT NOW on TQ!
probably because its clearly visible on the huge surface area of the hurricane model. |
Cassiel Seraphim
EVE University Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:28:00 -
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Hulls have such history and are in most cases very iconic in EVE, this was a poor choice in my opinion. It would have been easier to swallow getting your favourite hull ripped from right under you, if it had been replaced with a new model, not just a re-skinned lesser hull.
It won't be the same to sit in the harbinger-hulled Absolution next week, nor the drake-hulled Nighthawk, the hurricane-hulled Sleipnir or the myrmidon-hulled Eos.
Anyway, moot point, I guess I'm just posting this for posterity, to show my disappointment.
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Sauron Bauglir
Z Special
5
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:49:00 -
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Harby. Yes. Omg please yes. |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
105
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:03:00 -
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Harby. No. Omg please no. |
Sagara Shouhey
Horse Forces
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 08:34:00 -
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Bloody Harb !!!! yehaa!!
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Chi Garu
Dos Dedos Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:57:00 -
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I havn't read the whole whole thread but I just want to say the Claymore should have the hurricane skin because, well, the hurricane looks like a Claymore. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:56:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Aesheera wrote: Also, why 3 fleet Commands and 1 combat Command redesign? Consistency would make more sense: all fleets or all combats adopting new hulls.
There are no longer such things as fleet or combat command ships. That distinction was removed when we rebalanced the class. And just to be clear we're still early on and nothing is set in stone at this point. What I don't want to do however is make kneejerk changes before more people have had a chance to try them out and give the alternate hulls a chance on Sisi.. Take the time to check them out on Sisi and let the idea settle in, keep letting us know what you think. We will continue to be taking feedback for quite a while.
8th of October was the last dev reply.... We are not that early anymore... . You did not even mention it in yesterdays stream... Can you at least kill my hope, that it will NOT be implemented, so I can enjoy the last few days in my Sleipnir without worrying what's gonna happen in Rubicon???
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Ju0ZaS
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:06:00 -
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I wish CCP would spend more time on their t2 models rather than simply giving them a reskin. Adding some extra parts would be nice. Like the Ishtar and Zealot have extra thrusters for example, but add some thing else for variety. Like, idk, an extra claw on the other side on the Zealot, making it simetrical, looking cooler and ultimately better than the t1 ship. The Ishtar could use a change in it's hull, making it seem like it really has a bigger drone bay than the Vexor. Are you going to fight me or do you expect to bore me to death with your forum pvp? |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
136
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Posted - 2013.11.17 02:30:00 -
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So now that there is a decent reason to own BPOs of each of the normal Battlecruisers. Aesthetics aside each standard BC has a T2 variant of some kind.
Now that begs the question when are we going to see T2 versions of the Talos, Naga, Oracle, and Tornado? |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2013.11.17 06:14:00 -
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Krystyn wrote:So now that there is a decent reason to own BPOs of each of the normal Battlecruisers. Aesthetics aside each standard BC has a T2 variant of some kind.
Now that begs the question when are we going to see T2 versions of the Talos, Naga, Oracle, and Tornado?
NO.
NO GOD.
NO GOD PLEASE NO.
NOOOOOOOOO |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2013.11.17 12:38:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Krystyn wrote:So now that there is a decent reason to own BPOs of each of the normal Battlecruisers. Aesthetics aside each standard BC has a T2 variant of some kind.
Now that begs the question when are we going to see T2 versions of the Talos, Naga, Oracle, and Tornado? NO. NO GOD. NO GOD PLEASE NO. NOOOOOOOOO
why not? T2 versions do not need to be related to the t1 . They would not even need to use battleship guns.
Just find a nice role for htem and there is no good reason to not have them
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1099
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Posted - 2013.11.17 12:44:00 -
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Ju0ZaS wrote:I wish CCP would spend more time on their t2 models rather than simply giving them a reskin. Adding some extra parts would be nice. Like the Ishtar and Zealot have extra thrusters for example, but add some thing else for variety. Like, idk, an extra claw on the other side on the Zealot, making it simetrical, looking cooler and ultimately better than the t1 ship. The Ishtar could use a change in it's hull, making it seem like it really has a bigger drone bay than the Vexor.
Making completely new models with completely new looks takes a long time - especially when you consider that every new model the art department makes also has some kind of animation built into it. It took them a little over six months to make the new Paladin and Golem. |
aizaku
KITAY Syndicate Darkness. Citizens
2
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:17:00 -
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CCP please.. I'm begging you not to change Sleipnir .. you already did bad stuff to it by changing Cyclone to missle boat and adding cr*p ton of required skills to Sleipnir.. Please don't make Sleipnir ugly .. |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:18:00 -
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Abso you poor thing, what have they done to you! |
aizaku
KITAY Syndicate Darkness. Citizens
2
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:53:00 -
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And worst of all that they won't even read this forum.. they will just make these changes with words "Deal with it!" and troll face. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
36
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:48:00 -
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Dear CCP, thanks for listening to the overwhelmingly positive feedback in this thread.
/sarcasm off
You know I was following the thread from the very beginning and I was hoping you will change your mind because the overall feeling from this was so negative.
A lot of the positive feedback comes from people who simply wish to have t2 versions of 'cane, drake and the others. So you will make them happy but at the same time the people who actually fly the command ships usually disagree. not every time of course. It's like me.... I spent all my training so far on Sleipnir and I did love the ship. So I'm completely against the change. I do not really care about any of the other CS, 'cause I don't fly them...
So.. maybe you should listen to poeple who actually already fly the ships and not those who will now go for them because they get they favorite hull in t2...
Not to mention there is NULL response from you.
Disappointed very much. A lot of my training was rendered useless... GG CCP. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1106
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:03:00 -
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You probably missed the original thread. The response there was overwhelmingly positive. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
591
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:22:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:You probably missed the original thread. The response there was overwhelmingly positive. Viva la 'Waffle Iron'! I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Robyn Solette
Zombieland.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:25:00 -
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So unbelievably unhappy with the new Sleipnir look. I mean, if I wanted to fly a Hurricane, I would. I wish CCP had just left it alone until the final "new" changes are ready. I just can't fly it with it looking that way. Anyone want a 2 Bill Sleipnir, I'm putting it up on contracts in Jita. |
Veinnail
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:26:00 -
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Quote: As part of these changes:
The Absolution now has a Carthum Harbinger hull The Eos now has a CreoDron Myrmidon hull. The Nighthawk now has a Kaalakiota Drake hull. The Sleipnir now has a Boundless Creations Hurricane hull.
Im sure you meant the Astarte, or will the the eos now be the 1 warefare link hull, and the Astarte fit 3x? |
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Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command SpaceMonkey's Alliance
136
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:41:00 -
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I saw Drake, and then I wept. |
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
5
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:22:00 -
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I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite change in Rubicon
Was about time we get a T2 Cane hull But it sure could use some extra fluff to make it look a bit more badass - to me it looks like only the texture changed. It needs extra fins or something like the T2 Pest |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1118
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:24:00 -
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Tenchuu Khaan wrote:I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite change in Rubicon
Was about time we get a T2 Cane hull
I don't know about others, but I was certain I'd never fly a Sleipnir. It was hideous.
Now it's at the top of my "to-buy" list right beside a Bastion Vargur. |
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
5
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:26:00 -
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Not a huge fan of the Cyclone hull myself but the Sleipnir is a great ship and I'm not like my girlfriend that only uses the Pokemon that look cute ;) |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1118
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:32:00 -
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Tenchuu Khaan wrote:Not a huge fan of the Cyclone hull myself but the Sleipnir is a great ship and I'm not like my girlfriend that only uses the Pokemon that look cute ;)
I am almost completely certain that I would never use the Pok+¬mon that look cute. Then again, I never use any Pok+¬mon so I'm not sure it actually matters what I'd use. |
Alkampfer 1
Chronos Committee.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:43:00 -
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" opening up options for our art team in the future.." or CCP way of saying "Suck it" and wait,new command ship models or end of the world,whichever comes first. Poor Abso,poor Nighthawk,ill miss your looks |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
26
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Posted - 2013.11.18 18:48:00 -
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The change is good, not much to say there. I already had the Damnation on my list of "ships to skill for", now I added the Eos, too. (I'm a huge fan of the Myrmidon-hull.)
Too bad about the Absolution, rest in peace, little laser chicken.
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Aplier Shivra
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Posted - 2013.11.18 18:58:00 -
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Absolution is the only place I'm strongly opinionated on. And it sucks. The gold and crimson hawk's beak is such an iconic image to possess, along with the short, large body that fans out into wings. For this ship to lose such an iconic piece of itself hurts bad enough, but the fact that it's getting replaced by a model who's primary design function is in showcasing all six weapon hardpoints working in harmony is just salt in the wound. Especially with how visible lasers are in space, the 5 weapons will look completely out of place on harbinger's hull, no matter what is done for that 6th or 7th slot, it will always feel like something is missing. On the prophecy hull, 6 turrets still looked best, but even with 5 you could still fill up the 4 on the wings and have one fire from the middle, which was tolerable. But there is simply no way to get 5 turrets to look aesthetically pleasing with the hardpoints that harbinger has.
The rest of the hull looks great, I'd say the color scheme has been applied extraordinarily well, the overall shape is pretty good, and I absolutely love the locations of the thrusters. That empty 6 weapon hardpoint on the wings just kills it. So please (although I'm sure it's too late), please look into moving one of the new Absolution-harbinger's wing high slots to be along the middle, and adjusting the remaining 5 on the wings to be more aesthetic and organized-looking. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1119
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Posted - 2013.11.18 19:36:00 -
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Aplier Shivra wrote:Absolution is the only place I'm strongly opinionated on. And it sucks. The gold and crimson hawk's beak is such an iconic image to possess, along with the short, large body that fans out into wings. For this ship to lose such an iconic piece of itself hurts bad enough, but the fact that it's getting replaced by a model who's primary design function is in showcasing all six weapon hardpoints working in harmony is just salt in the wound. Especially with how visible lasers are in space, the 5 weapons will look completely out of place on harbinger's hull, no matter what is done for that 6th or 7th slot, it will always feel like something is missing. On the prophecy hull, 6 turrets still looked best, but even with 5 you could still fill up the 4 on the wings and have one fire from the middle, which was tolerable. But there is simply no way to get 5 turrets to look aesthetically pleasing with the hardpoints that harbinger has.
The rest of the hull looks great, I'd say the color scheme has been applied extraordinarily well, the overall shape is pretty good, and I absolutely love the locations of the thrusters. That empty 6 weapon hardpoint on the wings just kills it. So please (although I'm sure it's too late), please look into moving one of the new Absolution-harbinger's wing high slots to be along the middle, and adjusting the remaining 5 on the wings to be more aesthetic and organized-looking.
From left to right in the fitting window, try this:
Turret | No Turret | Turret | Turret | No Turret | Turret | Turret
It's better balanced than having five turrets out on the wingtips, although I always thought cramming six turrets into one spot like that was a little crowded anyhow.
It also has the extra bonus of letting you overheat your turrets longer. |
Aplier Shivra
34
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Posted - 2013.11.18 20:05:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
From left to right in the fitting window, try this:
Turret | No Turret | Turret | Turret | No Turret | Turret | Turret
It's better balanced than having five turrets out on the wingtips, although I always thought cramming six turrets into one spot like that was a little crowded anyhow.
It also has the extra bonus of letting you overheat your turrets longer.
I've tried that, and everything possible. There's no way to get 5 turrets to look good on the wings, and I can't stand having one in the middle (especially not where the middle hardpoints are) when there are open wingspots. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. In the case of lasers, because of their visibility, I actually think it's pretty cool to have them all grouped up nice and tight, it makes them seem to meld together into one giant laser beam. I feel like the design of the harbinger is like the Abaddon, in that part of its iconic look and feel are how it showcases all of the turrets physically grouped together and firing in sync. But think of how the Abaddon would look if you randomly took out one or two of the non-end turret hardpoints and just left the empty spot there. That's how it feels flying a harbinger hull with only 5 turrets. |
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