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Robin Negrebskoh
HKS Industries
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:13:00 -
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Hello there,
Since EVE Online is pretty much the only game I play on my PCs (and it works good on Wine), I'm going to move from the annoying dual-boot to a single Linux installation. However, I have a simple question: are there significant differences in performance between EVE Online on Windows and EVE Online on Wine+Linux? A small drop in performance would be completely fine, but I'd rather it not add too much additional load to my PC, seeing as I'm already used to running EVE on one (big 40") screen and 'work stuff' on another.
Thanks. |
Binanty
Eternal Profiteers
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:55:00 -
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I think that in my own experience it runs way worse than directly on windows, its playable, but i cant get much above 30 fps with all the setting cranked up in wine, i have ATI 7790 and my previous 5770 was able to get around 30 fps with everything on max settings in windows. But the game is still very playable, and i know there are coming some pretty amazing perfomance enhancements in wine with one of the next updates, there was talk about 50-100 % perfomance, so i think its not too bad. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:07:00 -
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There is a performance hit, but I'm able to run 3 clients pretty easily still on a core2 duo. |
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:46:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:There is a performance hit, but I'm able to run 3 clients pretty easily still on a core2 duo. He's a Goon don't trust him, he's out to scam you.
More seriously he's quite right. I have a quite old system and I'm able to comfortably run 2 clients in max settings while still being able to browse, code, low load things. Compiling things while running 2 clients on the other hand tends to be not so good, but 1 client + compiling goes just fine. |
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:29:00 -
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It depends. Running on a single monitor you can get pretty good performance. But if you have a multimonitor setup running twinview you get about half the fps. This is with a nvidia graphic card, not sure how an amd card handles it.
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:00:00 -
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Mr M wrote:It depends. Running on a single monitor you can get pretty good performance. But if you have a multimonitor setup running twinview you get about half the fps. This is with a nvidia graphic card, not sure how an amd card handles it.
I actually have few problems with nvidia and twinview. |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:02:00 -
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It's slower but with a current version of wine, and an NVidia card with NVidia's drives it seems to work just fine. I've run it on the open source NV driver, but performance wasn't great. I've seen issues with friends running ATI cards who solved the issue with a $100 NV card (they had more money than time). The real issue is that CCP breaks wine compatibility and your offline for days to a week. I always safe everything up before a major patch. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:19:00 -
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Marsan wrote:The real issue is that CCP breaks wine compatibility and your offline for days to a week. It's not that bad. They do occasionally break wine compatibility, but the last time they really broke compatibility was somewhere in April 2012 (I believe when they introduced the first launcher). Obviously I do not count the launcher breakage of this summer because they only broke a piece of software which is not even necessary to play the game.
Marsan wrote:I always safe everything up before a major patch. This is sound advice, together with setting a very long skill just in case they do screw things up. |
Tetractys
Phoenix. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:40:00 -
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In my experience, unless the captain quarters not working, all the rest is *better* than windows. Full graphics. on: i7 - 3770K @ 3.5 GHz 16 Gb ram NVIDIA GTX 670 with 325.15 drivers Mint15 or xubuntu 13.04 64bit. wine 1.7.1
At disposal for details. |
Ravow
Stability Significantly Disrupted
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:34:00 -
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Run 2 clients with max settings without any issue:
Gentoo Linux - Kernel 3.8.7 + cflags patch (for -march=bdver1) - 6 x Radeon 7970 3GB (mine *coin in the same time, no SLI here and all EVE run on the first video card) - 32GB DDR3 1600 - Wine 1.7.2 (lto+graphite) - fglrx 13.1 (I would prefer use opensource radeon drivers but i'm stuck with theses old Catalyst because of my OpenCL and ADL requirement) |
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COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.13 23:08:00 -
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I did some testing comparing Windows and different versions of wine with some patches. Here are the results that i have. Please read Testing: for how it was done.
Graphs:
Station Rendering Performance Space Rendering Performance
Hardware used:
- CPU: AMD 8350 @ 4.4Ghz
- RAM: Corsair @ 1866 CL 10 2x4GiB
- GPU: nVidia Zotac 670 AMP
Software used:
- Arch Linux
- KDE 4.11.2
- Linux-ck-piledriver 3.11.4
- Wine-multimedia with some patches and Link Time Optimization (-flto)
- Wine vanilla (Arch repo)
- nVidia 331.13 (Linux)
- nVidia 331.40 (Windows)
Wine Patches and configs:
Testing:
Station Record for 60 seconds few times and plot the graphs.
Space Start recording in station. Start Undock at 10 seconds (the first big dip in FPS) Warping to an Asteroid belt (larger dip, about 50FPS) Warping to Gate and Jump Aproach Gate Jump back Warp and Dock back to Station
All settings on Maximum with the governator set to performance. Way to big fluctuations on default ondemand governator settings. So you may benefit from adjusting it or just switching to performance when launching the game.
Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
Adara Starkiss
New Eden Order Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:08:00 -
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About the CCP 'screwups', I seem to remember that they plan in the 'future' to have ppl start for the first time eve some in Captains Quarters and some in Hangar. Let's hope it doest apply to current users... after a major patch like the incoming for November... |
Adara Starkiss
New Eden Order Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:01:00 -
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And guess who was just affected by the dreade Captain Quarters feature.... ugh.
After movie is displayed, I get sent directly to Captain Quarters and crash. In Settings before loading the game theres no visible option for going Ship Hangar directly, any other option? |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:39:00 -
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Adara Starkiss wrote:And guess who was just affected by the dreade Captain Quarters feature.... ugh.
After movie is displayed, I get sent directly to Captain Quarters and crash. In Settings before loading the game theres no visible option for going Ship Hangar directly, any other option? Turn off CQ entirely. |
Gislin D'ahl
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:31:00 -
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Robin Negrebskoh wrote:Hello there,
Since EVE Online is pretty much the only game I play on my PCs (and it works good on Wine), I'm going to move from the annoying dual-boot to a single Linux installation. However, I have a simple question: are there significant differences in performance between EVE Online on Windows and EVE Online on Wine+Linux? A small drop in performance would be completely fine, but I'd rather it not add too much additional load to my PC, seeing as I'm already used to running EVE on one (big 40") screen and 'work stuff' on another.
Thanks.
I have a few computers I use to run Eve. All are laptops. All have Nvidia cards. All are dual-boots Windows/Fedora Linux.
I find that Eve runs faster on all my computers except the old laptop that runs Windows XP. However, that one also has an old video card and I have to turn down all the settings. So it could just be faster on that windows because it has zero eye candy.
On Linux, I have two systematic "issues". I can't get the in game browser to work, and I can't use Captain's Quarters, on any of my installs.
I do also have an intermittent issue with the new launcher (sometimes I get the login area, sometimes I don't). If I just use it to patch and then launch the executable in the bin directory to run it everything is runs smoothly.
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:39:00 -
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Since some WINE 1.7.x development revisions, the issue with the IGB is solved.
The CQ is a known problem: it simply doesn't work, right now. It did in the very beginning, and occasionally you can be able to load it up to witness a shower of corrupted textures.
But the common wisdom in linux land is to give up trying to enter it, like CCP gave up working on it. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:47:00 -
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Up until the Rubicon I had missing textures and the launcher would kill my vent. Im getting 40 FPS with no issues.
processor: 2 vendor_id: AuthenticAMD cpu family: 16 model: 5 model name: AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 450 Processor stepping: 3 microcode: 0x10000b6 cpu MHz: 3199.592 cache size: 512 KB
8GB ram with a GTS450.
Almost exactly the same performance as windows, but only on one client, but using twinview. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Doctor Deichscheich
Vulcan Jedi Masters Of Krypton
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Posted - 2013.11.23 16:42:00 -
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From personal experience, I can recommend PlayOnLinux, it sets up EVE in its own wine environment and automatically tweaks dll overrides and such. With my 660Ti (until recently a 560, no noticeable difference) and i5 3570K @ 4.5GHz I get the same performance as in Windows - pretty smooth.
From time to time something minor like the IGB breaks, but it's fixed rather quickly by either wine or CCP every time. I'm still trying to run "Isk Per Hour" on wine, does anyone have any pointers? |
Bayta Charante
Zero Atmosphere Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.10 00:57:00 -
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Doctor Deichscheich wrote:does anyone have any pointers?
0xF5E70130 0xCD85E74 0x7EF78AD
Sorry for the XKCD reference. SOMEONE HAD TO DO IT. |
LeMorted'Authur
Zombie Incursions
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Posted - 2014.01.19 02:37:00 -
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Does anyone use Oracles VM to run eve on?
If so would that be better?
I am just very interested in setting up and wine wants to remove one of my python programs. The very program is the reason why I am on Linux over windows. Flying it like you stole it, because half of the others in eve have.-á |
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Neuntausendeins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:39:00 -
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You mean Virtualbox? Forget it, doesn't work for playing games. |
Seras Victoria Egivand
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
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Posted - 2014.01.31 08:10:00 -
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Neuntausendeins wrote:You mean Virtualbox? Forget it, doesn't work for playing games.
actually esxi + hyper V isnt to bad.. sense gpu pass though uses the actual hardware.... You gotta have a second video card tho. |
Cagot
Zendian Solutions
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:14:00 -
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For me Linux is better than Windows on the same machine: I tend to run stuff in the background - either my own compute-bound search programs, or Folding@Home (http://folding.stanford.edu/home/). Windows is terrible compared to Linux for process scheduling. Even if you set the affinity and priority individually on each of the processes, and leave one of the processors free to run EVE (also with adjusted affinity), Windows will still put your ship into jerk and lag mode. Linux degrades smoothly and automatically as you add background programs and overload the processors.
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COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:17:00 -
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Latest benchmarks i have done, Wine is not that far from Windows performance.
Performance Graph nVidia: 334.16 Archlinux: 3.12.10-2-ck Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
Ravow
Cosmic Encounter Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:11:00 -
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Spec: Hypervisor : Xen 4.4-rc Kernel : 3.13 + Reiser4 + GCC optimisation Video card : Radeon 7970 Video card driver : Mesa 10.2.0-devel (git-6958fb3) OpenGL 3.3 fully supported CPU : AMD FX-8120 (2 core pinned to dom0, the "vm" running EVE) Wine : A git version between 1.7.12 and 1.7.13, with CS patchs. ============
All setting in high except shaders because of LLVM insufficient registers error. With "Interval one" : Between 30 and 45 fps With "Interval Immediate" : More than 60fps at 96.3% of the time
Windows will run faster for sure but i'm mining crypto's with five others Radeon 7970 on the same box while playing EVE. And it's why I use XEN, one HVM with BAMT for each Radeon, with IOMMU PCI passthrough. |
COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas
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Posted - 2014.02.21 22:13:00 -
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Was playing with more versions and settings. Most noteworthy is that 1.7.13 is almost the same performance level of 1.7.10 with CSMT.
Performance Graph
TLDR CSMT + nVidia OPT (__GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS) give lower performance by a bit. nVidia OPT gives a bit lower than CSMT
Left for me to test is nVidia OPT with the use_glBufferSubDataARB_dbuffer.patch and with or without CSMT. Stefan told me that it may or may not work correctly depending on game so it would be interesting if there is more to squeze out.
Other things would be to profile EVE and make a specific patchset just for EVE. Most noteworthy is that improving Wines shader code would give improvements to EVE. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
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