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Laocoon
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:24:00 -
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the only fact that can be deemed to be true from all of this is that SERK are a bunch of fools. This is like a builder destroying their bricks. It's simlpy stupid.
So I say; SERK, you are fools, and clearly in no way allied with the state. As my CEO said, don't try and pretend otherwise. --------------------------------------------
(paint sigs ftl :'( ) i collect heads
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Van Cleef
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kyogen Steiner
Let me make this perfectly clear for the last god damn time. Oldgiffer did make a serious offer to join TKI and add his PVP group to to fight for the caldari cause, it was a sincere and honest atemnt to do something good. .....
If SERK's response to every disagreement or difference of opinion is to declare war then they would not be welcomed in a civilized alliance.
SERK's unprovoked aggression against TKI and CAIN immediately following the disagreement are reprehensable and irresponsible.
SERK does not represent the Caldari way, as demonstrated by the comments posted here.
CAIN combat forces will continue to engage SERK and it's pirate allies as they invade into Caldari space seeking destruction.
This is something that CAIN regrets but cannot control. Until this Pirate attack is ceased we recommend all Caldari pilots use diligence when traveling through Caldari space. ------------------------------------------------ Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM |
Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:32:00 -
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serk agreed to undeclare the war issued towards cain after a seemed understanding and cain DECLARED war on Serk a day or so after...? |
Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kyogen Steiner serk agreed to undeclare the war issued towards cain after a seemed understanding and cain DECLARED war on Serk a day or so after...?
SERK refused to cease and desist in their war effort.
CAIN will defend innocent Caldari in the face of naked aggression.
I swear, if you people get this worked up over percieved small slights, how did you ever get through the Academy?
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Boneafied
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Masc Suiza Edited by: Masc Suiza on 22/01/2006 07:08:00 I am only a very raw rookie newly accepted into the ranks of CAIN, fresh out of the State War Academy. So I am fully aware that I have not be privy to the fully reasons for this conflict. However I must say that I will follow the orders of my superior officers in CAIN to the best of my ability. although it makes my heart ache to know that what ever the out come of the following days only enemies of the State will profit and prosper as we fight.
I may not know the full reasoning behind the dispute but I do know that if the Serial Killers is a loyal Caldari entity surely they must feel some compunction to talk via secure and private channels rather than publicly air their views and combat kills. This is an internal matter that should be handled in private by Caldari. From the rumour control I have heard that this issue is more about misunderstandings and lack of communication by parties who should be more allied that opposites. I hope that those in charge of the factions involved can reach amicable terms before anymore needless loss of life and material further degrades our combined abilities to defend our home.
Of course some of the Rumour claims that the Serial Killers is just a bunch of blood thirsty criminals who are anything but Caldari loyalists. As I previouisly stated I am too green to know but I hope this rumour is false and that soon our combined military forces might soon be allied together against the threads without.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Midshipman Suiza
I salute you young Caldar.. for your words are wise and true, the future is bright for such spirit and reasoning i see.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:41:00 -
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So, wait a second. This whole thing happened because the "Serial Killers", a group of people with low security statuses (you get those for pirating, you know ?)wanted to be part of an Alliance that is Anti Piracy and pro Caldari ?
Am I getting this right ?
Then the "Serial Killers" in an attempt to show the whole cluster that they're legitimate Caldari Citizens show their kill ratio versus the commonly accepted Caldari Paramilitaries, right ? Because that would clearly show their claims to be true that they are indeed an asset to the alliance they're trying to force their way into.
Am I still on track ?
So, the "Serial Killers" our friendly and presentable neighbors are showing how peaceful and presentable they are by attacking the people they want to be part of. And then show off their fancy kill ratio in an attempt to further claim legitimacy ?
Looksto me like angry kids throwing a tantrum for not getting candy. And until the "Serial Killers" don't clean up their act, beginning with their name, I wouldn't allow them in my space either. You're nothing better than cheap pirates and mercenaries who are trying your heavy hands at politics. Try sticking to contracts in the future. You're incompetent.
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Albrecht Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Albrecht Wassenar on 22/01/2006 21:11:19 Okay I can see that this is quickly spiraling out of control. First off lets all get on the same page on what happened to the best of my understanding.
- SERK is a mercenary corporation and security status for members of such a profession are usually quite low, anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. - A SERK member joined the CCDF channel, where the rules are clearly posted upon entering the channel i.e. "Welcome to the Caldari Civilian Defense Force Channel. This channel is moderated, any pirates or those with less then -0.5 standing will be blocked and kicked. Any who are blocked or kicked can appeal in TKI-Net or in evemail to CCDFOperator. Refrences for character will be needed. Hosted by: Tsurokigaari Corporation, The Black Morias & Gileads Bullet ((no l337 speak allowed.))" (note the italisized bit has been added since the incident)
With the rules as such it should be no surprise to why the SERK member was kicked from the channel. Now Vendrin, who was moderating the channel at the time was contacted privately and told your member that if they had a problem with the rules, they should contact TKI leadership to ask for an appeal, etc. TKI leadership has still recieved no evemails from any SERK members reguarding the booting from the channel. SERK has only tried to contact us after hostilities were initiated by SERK with the failed negotiations as dicussed previously, although there are reasons why I feel that they failed which I wont go into at this point.
So in summary TKI's position is that no apology is warrented to SERK because the rules were clearly posted upon entry to the channel and no attempt to appeal was made. I regret that this situation has come to war, and I dont know where us asking for an apology came from, although appropriate, I feel is not neccessary. This war will continue as long as you (SERK) want it to. I think that everyone has said now that this war is not in the best interest of the Caldari people. The only people who can end this war, is you. -------------------------------------
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Dev Larren
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:16:00 -
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I have spent much time ensuring that CAIN's position is not misrepresented by others and that our ethics with reagrd to certain issues is always consistant. I am confident that nearly all Caldari understand this and support our stance.
To say that we face a formidable foe would be an understatement. The pilots of SERK are skilled pilots and I can only hope many of my younger and inexperienced pilots are learning from the experience even though it be a bitter experience at times. I am pleased to note that their morale has not diminished.
However while we have much to learn form you in combat we have nothing to learn form you when it comes to ethics and representing the Caldari cause. You cannot behave like pirates in Caldari Space and claim to be loyal patriots.
CAIN is at war with SERK because it is committed to anti-piracy. As is stands this is a war between Caldari Factions and Pirate Factions. Unsurprisingly notorious pirates - Rogues - have joined SERK as allies in this war. We will cease our war declaration when attacks on TKI cease. When that happens I would again like to explore the possibility of SERK making a genuine move away from piracy and towards loyalty to the Caldari State. It would be most welcome to see it in action and not just in words.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.01.23 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Oldgiffer Too much caldari blood has already been spilt just so TKI can save face.
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We should be united against the enemies at our borders and it is clear that your forces need our help.
Repugnant.
Is that how you preach unity? With the blood of our brethren in your hands?
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