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Nocxi
Machines of IX
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Posted - 2013.10.04 00:55:00 -
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I would like a dev to explain why there is no required standing planned to place a POCO in Hi Sec. How is it that an emipre has a problem with you placing a POS in 0.5 with a standing of 4.90 towards them to do research and production, but is fine with a corp/alliance with a -10.0 standing with them place a POCO in 1.0 space? Yes in game play it really only effects players, but means they would alow that -10.0 standing corp/alliance to tax exports and imports of their people and planets. I like the idea of POCO, but why are we going to throw standings out the window for this, but not anything else? |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
317
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:09:00 -
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Good point if this is the case but where did you read that there won't be standings involved? I haven't found much info on these changes yet. |
Nocxi
Machines of IX
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:15:00 -
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There has been several reply from other players saying no standing required, and I am assuming if there was it would have been in the last Dev Blog that talks about everthing else but standing requirements. |
Nocxi
Machines of IX
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:20:00 -
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This is what has been said by the devs in a Dev Blog...
"Manufacturing and successfully deploying a Customs Office requires two main steps with different material needs.
Manufacturing the Customs Office Gantry: Skill requirement: Industry V Integrity Response Drones: 5 Nano-Factory: 10 Organic Mortar Applicators: 10 Sterile Conduits: 14 Capital Construction Parts: 1 Upgrade to Customs Office: Broadcast Node: 8 Recursive Computing Module: 8 Self-Harmonizing Power Core: 8 Wetware Mainframe: 8 "
No mention of standings requirements. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1295
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:21:00 -
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You're right, they should get rid of the standings requirements for moons too. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1295
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:22:00 -
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BOOM SHAKALAKA Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
317
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:44:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:You're right, they should get rid of the standings requirements for moons too.
Out side of highsec - got a gun? Go take it. In highsec - got a gun? Watch out for CONCORD. It's a different environment and has different rules - just like lowsec is different from w-space which is different than ... |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1295
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:13:00 -
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Mocam wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:You're right, they should get rid of the standings requirements for moons too. Out side of highsec - got a gun? Go take it. In highsec - got a gun? Watch out for CONCORD. It's a different environment and has different rules - just like lowsec is different from w-space which is different than ...
Naw, not anymore.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Kedar Lwmys
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:23:00 -
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So what happens if someone blows up the customs house, and nobody builds a new one? |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:43:00 -
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Kedar Lwmys wrote:So what happens if someone blows up the customs house, and nobody builds a new one?
Guess.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
876
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:48:00 -
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Nocxi wrote:why are we going to throw standings out the window for this, but not anything else? Because this feature designed as yet another source of free money for big alliances which don't have ability and time to grind standing. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4680
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:09:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Mocam wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:You're right, they should get rid of the standings requirements for moons too. Out side of highsec - got a gun? Go take it. In highsec - got a gun? Watch out for CONCORD. It's a different environment and has different rules - just like lowsec is different from w-space which is different than ... Naw, not anymore. Even if the empires are ~losing their grasp on power~
CONCORD remains an invincible ultimate god of eve online There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:15:00 -
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Nocxi wrote:This is what has been said by the devs in a Dev Blog...
"Manufacturing and successfully deploying a Customs Office requires two main steps with different material needs.
Manufacturing the Customs Office Gantry: Skill requirement: Industry V Integrity Response Drones: 5 Nano-Factory: 10 Organic Mortar Applicators: 10 Sterile Conduits: 14 Capital Construction Parts: 1 Upgrade to Customs Office: Broadcast Node: 8 Recursive Computing Module: 8 Self-Harmonizing Power Core: 8 Wetware Mainframe: 8 "
No mention of standings requirements.
You do realize those are manufacturing requirements to build a gantry and a poco and have nothing to do with actually deploying them. |
Mhax Arthie
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Posted - 2013.10.04 06:31:00 -
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Cosmos sites are pretty popular for the sec alliances these days, I even saw few guys from BL which was a very nice surprise. I would love to see BL involved in this drama, there would be rivers of tears :P |
Draydin Warsong
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.04 08:04:00 -
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Nocxi wrote:I would like a dev to explain why there is no required standing planned to place a POCO in Hi Sec. How is it that an emipre has a problem with you placing a POS in 0.5 with a standing of 4.90 towards them to do research and production, but is fine with a corp/alliance with a -10.0 standing with them place a POCO in 1.0 space? Yes in game play it really only effects players, but means they would alow that -10.0 standing corp/alliance to tax exports and imports of their people and planets. I like the idea of POCO, but why are we going to throw standings out the window for this, but not anything else?
Wow I never thought of this....this is a really good point. Should have the same standings requirements as POSes. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
822
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Posted - 2013.10.04 08:12:00 -
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Kedar Lwmys wrote:So what happens if someone blows up the customs house, and nobody builds a new one?
Then there is no customs house.... Rocket Science!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
715
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:56:00 -
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Maybe because corps that do have the proper faction standings are usually massive, risk-averse 1-man carebear operations that do nothing but grind L4's all day? I don't know a single corp that is elegable for hisec POS anchorage, and not one of these typical standing-grinded 1-man tax havens. |
Rengerel en Distel
1975
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Posted - 2013.10.04 12:31:00 -
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I too would like corps to have 10.0 faction standing to put up a POCO in a 1.0 system. That will nerf the feature even more.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Filthy Bastards
1517
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Posted - 2013.10.04 13:48:00 -
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Kedar Lwmys wrote:So what happens if someone blows up the customs house, and nobody builds a new one? You'll be using the Planetary Rocket that no one uses to move stuff. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:57:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Maybe because corps that do have the proper faction standings are usually massive, risk-averse 1-man carebear operations that do nothing but grind L4's all day? I don't know a single corp that is elegable for hisec POS anchorage, and not one of these typical standing-grinded 1-man tax havens.
you sound mad bro tell us where the bad carebear corp touched you?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16753
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:59:00 -
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Because they're owned by CONCORD, not the empires.
Also, because they're not meant to be rare and because it's not a particularly good idea to further reward mindless mass mission-grinding. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because they're owned by CONCORD, not the empires.
Also, because they're not meant to be rare and because it's not a particularly good idea to further reward mindless mass mission-grinding.
no one likes grinding, i can agree with that, but having some kind of standing requirement makes sense, maybe 1/4 of the systems security rating round up/down... its sort of utterly stupid that dread pirate ganker, with a negative standing can set up infrastructure in that empire, just isent logical nor realistic, so set some kind of standing requirement |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:22:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Nocxi wrote:why are we going to throw standings out the window for this, but not anything else? Because this feature designed as yet another source of free money for big alliances which don't have ability and time to grind standing.
Quotin' this gem. I spent time grinding standings once. The nice lady at the suicide hotline told me to stop. Saved my life. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16753
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:24:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote:its sort of utterly stupid that dread pirate ganker, with a negative standing can set up infrastructure in that empire, just isent logical nor realistic GǪand 100% irrelevant, since the gameplay is all that matters. If you wanted logic and realism, we'd have to remove pretty much all restrictions in highsec, but again, that's not the intended gameplay. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:29:00 -
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But my verisimilitude! *hauls exotic dancers around the galaxy to get starship blueprints*
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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:its sort of utterly stupid that dread pirate ganker, with a negative standing can set up infrastructure in that empire, just isent logical nor realistic GǪand 100% irrelevant, since the gameplay is all that matters. If you wanted logic and realism, we'd have to remove pretty much all restrictions in highsec, but again, that's not the intended gameplay.
And here we disagree, i see Eve as a alive sandbox, to downgrade this to a simple shotem up game is bascially saying, roleplayers isent welcome, not to mention Eve has a fairly rich history and lore... that said Tippia, there is irrelevant, and there is stupid, and to me if a person cant fly through a empire space, its realy stupid with cream on top if they can set up a poco lol, or will faction police come shoot at it ;P ? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16754
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:38:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote:And here we disagree, i see Eve as a alive sandbox, to downgrade this to a simple shotem up game is bascially saying, roleplayers isent welcome GǪand this has nothing to do with either of those.
Quote:that said Tippia, there is irrelevant, and there is stupid, and to me if a person cant fly through a empire space, its realy stupid with cream on top if they can set up a poco lol, or will faction police come shoot at it ;P ? It's as stupid as CONCORD or restrictions on putting down POSes or outposts or using AoE weapons or cynos GÇö stupidity is not a valid or useful argument for introducing bad gameplay. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
345
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:47:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote:And here we disagree, i see Eve as a alive sandbox, to downgrade this to a simple shotem up game is bascially saying, roleplayers isent welcome, not to mention Eve has a fairly rich history and lore... that said Tippia, there is irrelevant, and there is stupid, and to me if a person cant fly through a empire space, its realy stupid with cream on top if they can set up a poco lol, or will faction police come shoot at it ;P ?
Standings close stargates now?
RPers are RPing by grinding cosmos missions?
Eve has a rich lore so a new feature should be restricted to only people who have become immune to the soul-crushing grind? Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:And here we disagree, i see Eve as a alive sandbox, to downgrade this to a simple shotem up game is bascially saying, roleplayers isent welcome GǪand this has nothing to do with either of those. Quote:that said Tippia, there is irrelevant, and there is stupid, and to me if a person cant fly through a empire space, its realy stupid with cream on top if they can set up a poco lol, or will faction police come shoot at it ;P ? It's as stupid as CONCORD or restrictions on putting down POSes or outposts or using AoE weapons or cynos GÇö stupidity is not a valid or useful argument for introducing bad gameplay.
if you been bad, and get shot at by faction police, ie that empires forces for flying through a empire space, they wont cuddle you couse you place a poco, its about being consistant
and nothing bad game play about it, actions have consequences, should be the same for pocos... or we can just scrap empires, laws, rules, npcs, concord, and have all of eve just a big shoot em up place, wich will most likely in the end result in one big blob that rules it all, that will be without me, and probably anouther 50% of the player base, that actually like the devirsity between high, low and null
but yes concord could probably be implemented better, but then again alot can |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.10.04 16:03:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:And here we disagree, i see Eve as a alive sandbox, to downgrade this to a simple shotem up game is bascially saying, roleplayers isent welcome, not to mention Eve has a fairly rich history and lore... that said Tippia, there is irrelevant, and there is stupid, and to me if a person cant fly through a empire space, its realy stupid with cream on top if they can set up a poco lol, or will faction police come shoot at it ;P ? Standings close stargates now? RPers are RPing by grinding cosmos missions? Eve has a rich lore so a new feature should be restricted to only people who have become immune to the soul-crushing grind?
with my suggestion, of 1/4 of security rating of system, youd need 1 to 2 in standing, that isent actually a "grind" to get, its about people with negative standing that cant fly through their space and not being shot at, can speed their way through that empire and drive set up a poco, and the empire would ignore it, but lol not when they fly a ship ! |
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