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Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:23:00 -
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Wolf is an armor tanker (with 2 mid slots, how are you going to shield it)
PLEASE move the shield resists to armor, with a 2% reduction on each
I think this would be fair by far, without killing the resists by 2% when moving them to armor from shield.
Have you guys looked at how the hawk matches up with the jag shield tanking and wolf armor tanking? its overkill with the cpu it has and , thus, ability to fit more resists AND the usual offensive fit in high slots (rocket launchers), compared to the jag.
In the rebalancing of ships you guys are doing, Please dont forget the wolf, to make its armor tank worth something by giving it much higher stock resists on armor and KILLING the shield resists on it, to make them equal with the shield of a t1 frig.
PLEASE also give the jaguar a LITTLE more cap recharge, so that it can run MWD, stasis, and scrambler (meta 4 versions NOT tech II) |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:03:00 -
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Dude...
Only every t2 armor tanking ship ever. At least wolf isn't bonused for resists.
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Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:07:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Dude...
Only every t2 armor tanking ship ever. At least wolf isn't bonused for resists.
well yess i meant for assault class ships to be rebalanced, for their resists to be MOVED from shield to amor, where the ship is ideal to armor tank. |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:22:00 -
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You know... You can fly wolf with just damage control for tank just fine. Shields are plenty good for that purpose.
And also... Ships aren't made the way you want them to be. HTFU and deal with it.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.10.04 07:12:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:You know... You can fly wolf with just damage control for tank just fine. Shields are plenty good for that purpose.
And also... Ships aren't made the way you want them to be. HTFU and deal with it.
yes you try using wolf with just damage control and no prop mod, cause with your biggotry, i assume you know a way to fit prop mod, use MIND control webs and scrambler, since you cant count the slots. |
sten mattson
Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.04 09:00:00 -
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wolf had godly resists towards TH and EM and you're complaining?
try fitting an explosive plating and/or kinetic rig and you'll be fine really IMMA FIRING MA LAZAR!!! |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.04 09:31:00 -
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Okay, then do the same with Retribution, Crusader, Claw, Punisher; so I heard those little ships need some love way more than Wolfs... Seriously though, at first I thought you're complaining about shield resistance bonus on a ship with 2 mids... Until I woke up and realized it's about Wolf. I don't even know what to say now. Is there a reason that makes Wolf deserving this special treatment? |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:15:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:You know... You can fly wolf with just damage control for tank just fine. Shields are plenty good for that purpose.
And also... Ships aren't made the way you want them to be. HTFU and deal with it. yes you try using wolf with just damage control and no prop mod, cause with your biggotry, i assume you know a way to fit prop mod, use MIND control webs and scrambler, since you cant count the slots. Tell people to STFU cause you cant have a DISCUSSION in a DISCUSSION FORUM Im not trying to make the wolf fittable MY way; im trying to make all assault ships balanced between each other, based on resists currently. The jag is fine, except for a little more cap to just be able to run meta scram and stasis (which take less than the tech II) The wolf is ONLY able to be tanked by armor; so move the resists from shield to armor, since it only has 2 mid slots (who's gonna tank with 2) Are you honestly this stupid? Wolf isn't supposed to fit webs and no ship in game has different resists like that just because it can only fit armor.
Stop being so dense and step back a bit so you can see more than just your nose.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:24:00 -
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funny, I though the wolf was speed and hull tanked.
Since when have Minmatar used shields? One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2013.10.04 12:54:00 -
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The AF rebalance boat sailed quite some time ago and isn't due back in the foreseeable future. Your just going to have to live with AF's as they are which considering how they were isn't so bad. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
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Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
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Posted - 2013.10.04 12:55:00 -
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Then next, can we swap the EM and Thermal resists for armor and shield on the Nightmare?
Minmatar T2 resists get a bonus to Em and Thermal - doesn't matter if its shield or armor
Gallente and Caldari T2 resists get a bonus to Thermal and Kinetic - doesn't matter if its shield or armor
Amarr T2 resists get a bonus to Explosive and Kinetic - doesn't matter if its shield or armor
The result is that T2 minmatar ships have a fairly even resist distribution on their shields, while their armor laughs at Amarrian lasers
While Gallente and Caldari ships have an EM hole in their shields, and an explosive hole in their armor, one hardener plugs the hole nicely. They are also both very resistant to Hybrid weaponry (and Kinetic bonused missiles).
Amarr have balanced armor resists, and their shields are very resistant to Explosive and kinetic. But minmatar aren't stuck to Explosive/kinetic (although they are more likely to use these, such as with their T2 ammo), so, T2 Amarr shields aren't much use against minmatar, unless the minmatar are using fusion rounds instead of EMP |
ArcticPrism
Bondage Goat Zombie Strictly Unprofessional
3
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:23:00 -
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Please Allow the Malediction to keep its turret hardpoints. Rockets use too much pg and cpu and Autocannons apply damage well to warriors. The ship also has a rof bonus now and much lower cargo space which means less effective space for stuff. |
Syrias Bizniz
TUPOLEV High Sekuriti Polis Fors
225
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:46:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:Wolf is an armor tanker (with 2 mid slots, how are you going to shield it)
PLEASE move the shield resists to armor, with a 2% reduction on each
I think this would be fair by far, without killing the resists by 2% when moving them to armor from shield.
Have you guys looked at how the hawk matches up with the jag shield tanking and wolf armor tanking? its overkill with the cpu it has and , thus, ability to fit more resists AND the usual offensive fit in high slots (rocket launchers), compared to the jag.
In the rebalancing of ships you guys are doing, Please dont forget the wolf, to make its armor tank worth something by giving it much higher stock resists on armor and KILLING the shield resists on it, to make them equal with the shield of a t1 frig.
PLEASE also give the jaguar a LITTLE more cap recharge, so that it can run MWD, stasis, and scrambler (meta 4 versions NOT tech II)
Have you already considered to fly a Retribution? You even change those rusty and decomposed guns for some golden shiny lasers! |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
969
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Posted - 2013.10.04 19:20:00 -
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T2 resist profiles that are more even offer worse overall EHP than highly binary t2 resist profiles (like the Wolf). The Wolf is plenty tanky even when it fits specific hardeners. |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:37:00 -
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sten mattson wrote:wolf had godly resists towards TH and EM and you're complaining?
try fitting an explosive plating and/or kinetic rig and you'll be fine really, you have the slots for it
LOL with only 800 hp on shield? My point exactly, the resists are in the WRONG defense.
Kahega Amielden wrote:T2 resist profiles that are more even offer worse overall EHP than highly binary t2 resist profiles (like the Wolf). The Wolf is plenty tanky even when it fits specific hardeners.
yeah without enough cpu to fit them OR enough power to fit a 400mm tungsten, which would be fair considering the wolf can ONLY fit scram/disruptor OR stasis and not both.
Please give it more cap, 1 more mid slot OR just move the resists from shield to armor |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:51:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Okay, then do the same with Retribution, Crusader, Claw, Punisher; so I heard some of those little ships need some love way more than Wolfs... Seriously though, at first I thought you're complaining about shield resistance bonus on a ship with 2 mids... Until I woke up and realized it's about Wolf. I don't even know what to say now. Is there a reason that makes Wolf deserving this special treatment?
read before replying. i said ALL assault frigs are suppose to come with high resists, for the tank intended.
lets say I have a hawk; give it 40% shield resist to start on em (or so); make the armor the same resists as other non t2 bc's armor (on minmatar hurricane = 25% explosive), make ALL the assault frig have same cpu BASE cpu and add extra based on the guns/missiles requiring less or more cpu (like missiles require a lot more; for example, i understand a hawks current need for 190 cpu as it is for that)
the hardeners: make frigs have 10% reduction in cap for NON OFFENSIVE MODULES. This could be a start of rebalance A frig is nothing more than a flying CPU :)
t2 frigs should be able to fit all t2 modules just like a hurricane can fit all t2 and has a lot more tank while costing; they should also have stable cap with mwd. So, please give enough cap (like, with jag, it has 50% reduction in mwd signature penalty; so it should have stable cap to use it!!)
EVERYTHING IVE SAID IS WITH MAX SKILLS |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:56:00 -
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all minmatar T2 get resist bonus to EM/TH regardless if they armor or shield tank (lucky most of them shield tank), CCP aint gonna move racial resist around because they fit some kind of tanking type better or after 1hr they do that for the wolf all the caldari pilot would start crying because they want T2 EM resist for they shields and all the gal pilots for EXP T2 resist on their armor |
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