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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1177
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:29:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP. CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received. The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating.
They could delete all the handed out ships, publicly apologize to the community as a whole, and promise never to hand out any in-game items to any other organization, ever. Although after the second time I'm not sure how many people would believe that promise.
A team of community representatives should be established to consult any such future decisions with CCP to ensure this doesn't happen again... oh wait. |
Prince Kobol
968
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:30:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP. CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received. The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating.
This is what worries me.
A lot of good people and entities stand to lose out because of the mess CCP have made of something which was a relatively simple thing to do. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
35
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:30:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:So.... TMC posted an unverified article purely on a 'leaked e-mail' that could easily have been fabricated. Response. Lots of emo internet kids rage.
Really. Settle down, wait for a CCP response to these allegations before cancelling Subs, burning Jita or any other such nonsense atm. All you people doing talking about that are doing is showing exactly how immature you are and how little CCP should care about your opinion when you have no interest in the facts but are letting yourself be jerked around by the first guy out with a story that makes you mad.
This isn't to say that is this is true I won't have an issue with it myself, but I am not going to break out the pitch forks without actually listening to the other story, I will not be part of a lynch mob. Especially not one that is placing itself in line for a major law suit.
As if TMC are wrong on any of their details, they will have actually stepped over the line and opened themselves to Litigation given the tone of the article as it didn't call for an investigation into if the rumours are true, but actual action on the assumption the rumours are true. And as such is DELIBERATELY trying to harm CCP's business by using an unverified story. Something that is illegal in a great many countries and newspapers that publish such poor journalism calling for 'action' on rumour often get sued successfully.
Somer's second in command confirmed it. How much more verification do you want? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3473
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Doris Dents wrote:That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners. Not empty-quoting. At this point, I'm wondering what they'll seed the people who have been working on dotlan, battleclinic, EFT, EVEMon, Pyfa, EVEUni, Goons. I suppose Chribba should be given 7 unique ships GÇö one for each insanely useful site he has contributed to the community.
So somebody got something, and others doing similar things did not get something this time.
Of course all this rage will ensure that nobody gets anything in the future.
See what public skool has wrought? Everybody thinks they are entitled to everything that the next guy has. Public skools did this on purpose. On the flipside, they also get everybody conditioned for that "one person did something bad so now new rules for everybody" crap.
So most of the tears in here are coming from people who were not smart enough to resist or break this conditioning.
And so collectivist tears are the best tears. Life is not fair. Deal with it. |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:32:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating.
I'm betting on a new policy that makes it a bannable offense to discuss anything give-away related from/with CCP.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
401
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:35:00 -
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Literally Space Moses wrote:
Somer's second in command confirmed it. How much more verification do you want?
Some real data. Not simply a name on a screenshot. Who could be any player behind that character now. An opportunity for CCP to speak on it to present their view point.
Or are we now judge, jury & executioner now simply because The Mittani says CCP are evil today? I'm sorry, I don't work like that. I actually work on facts, and allow people to defend themselves first. Then I'll crucify them if it's justified AFTER they get the chance.
Not simply because one of the most biased EVE news sites with it's own major agenda decides to attack CCP's business. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1291
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:35:00 -
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I don't get it. Once you posted this statement, why are people ignoring it? If you are sure it is a scammer, then the failed laywer's site has just lost a ton of credibility (not that it had much with discerning readers in the 1st place).
That could be even more interesting than this original scandal, if Entity is correct. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:36:00 -
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How was this email leaked? |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
586
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:38:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I don't get it. Once you posted this statement, why are people ignoring it? If you are sure it is a scammer, then the failed laywer's site has just lost a ton of credibility (not that it had much with discerning readers in the 1st place). That could be even more interesting than this original scandal, if Entity is correct.
Read the previous page of this thread. Entity is merely bad at reading names ;) |
Koki Ottic
Hitcher's
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:39:00 -
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Koby Botick wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating. I'm betting on a new policy that makes it a bannable offense to discuss anything give-away related from/with CCP.
Better update this at the same time
Third, although CCP establishes the rules by which players may interact with each other in a real-world context, they do not interfere with how individuals treat each other in a virtual context. Strictly speaking, CCP has the power to govern actions in the virtual world via GÇ£natural lawsGÇ¥, or the literal technical limitations of the game. But within this same virtual universe, abusing the trust of other individuals is an affair that is left to society itself to contend with. Crimes are not persecuted by the legislator here:the fate of peers who commit wrongdoings such as theft, fraud, destruction of property, and even GÇ£murderGÇ¥is determined exclusively by the society. Justice, as it were, is in the hands of those who choose to exercise their right to take it, and under no circumstances will the legislator interfereGÇö again, provided that the means of execution complies with the GÇ£meta-lawGÇ¥ of the EULA and Terms of Service (TOS). |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16759
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:39:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received.
The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating. The really baffling/morbidly curious part is how easily they could have done (almost) the exact same thing without any of the hubub.
If they want to reward community websites that create tons of (meta)game content, they should make a big deal out of it! Crank up the hype machine and make it a month-long count-down with ever dwindling participants. Show that they are involved in and care about the community, and get the press to follow the story. If they want to be sneaky, obfuscate the qualification process and pick the winners before-hand (people will claim favouritism and underhanded tactics for the winner anyway, so it will get lost in the noise). What gets people's hackles up is how the apparent reasoning for this is applicable to so many other entities, but how the responsible parties are apparently fully aware of how only one of them is singled out, since they have to keep it under wraps.
Put another way: if they want to reward people for contributing, do it properly. Don't sneak around and make it completely obvious that they know what they're doing is wrong.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:See what public skool has wrought? Everybody thinks they are entitled to everything that the next guy has Why do think that you're entitled to anything? And what does it have to do with the quote you used? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2424
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:39:00 -
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Koby Botick wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy. No not official. CCP does not endorse officially. That's why they are supposed to keep this silent and under the radar.
The Ishukone Scorpion giveaway, if verified, was covert and unofficial. The Guardian-Vexors and Gold Magnates, later switched to enhanced SOE ships and Fanfest trips, were proudly announced in public statements by CCP.
On both occasions the same player-group benefitted, which only leaves it to be confirmed - is it CCP's policy to play favourites with Somer Blink and Somer Blink only, or will they be providing similar benefits to any and all 'content generators' within Eve? CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:40:00 -
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Angel Korstar wrote:
This post is well thought out and makes a point, thanks for looking beyond my knee jerk reaction. Might the gift giving possibly be a reward for all the plex that might (or might not) be purchased from CCP to gamble with? Honest question.
In essence at that point CCP is giving kickbacks to a company for spending RL money on the product. Now that's something that happens in several industries and in a real world business is often characterised as corruption (all depending on how it's done, the moment).
Moreover, were that to be the case, where are the kickbacks for TEST (back when they were huge) or the CFC, or Brave Newbies, or Eve Uni, or EveMon for helping to stop people quit because of Eve's terrible certs that are near-useless for planning a training plan. Or Eve Fit for letting us work out what to blow up in, or...etc. etc.
Once again there are far, far more worthy recipients than Somerblink, unless of course this is outright a kickback to say thanks to Somerblink for generating more revenue. In which case I think ethically there's a line that's been crossed there, and moreover it suggests the degree of gambling addiction with somer blink is far higher than I thought (though it certainly exists, having encountered two people who spend far more rl money than they can afford because they 'might win that rorqual').
Nevyn Auscent wrote: As if TMC are wrong on any of their details, they will have actually stepped over the line and opened themselves to Litigation given the tone of the article as it didn't call for an investigation into if the rumours are true, but actual action on the assumption the rumours are true. And as such is DELIBERATELY trying to harm CCP's business by using an unverified story. Something that is illegal in a great many countries and newspapers that publish such poor journalism calling for 'action' on rumour often get sued successfully.
You're taking the contrary assumption 'but what if it isn't true, then...' without yourself providing any evidence for your assertion, so you're simply rabble rousing here. But let's look at the article's language and see what it has to tell us:
TMC wrote: CCP Navigator apparently furnished
So right from the first paragraph, we have that TMC is not stating that this categorically happened but that it 'apparently' happened.
This is described as a leaked email: http://i.imgur.com/Ekjk1sd.jpg
Here we have TMC concealing their sources, but providing the evidence to the reader so they can make their own deductions (something actual journalists do far too little of in the modern media age).
Then we have:
TMC wrote:In an email exchange with TMC staff, SOMER Blink second in command Andrev Nox seems to confirm that the leaked mail is real. GÇ£CCP has been using the Ishukone Scorpions for community site rewards and ingame event giveaways for a while now, with Blink being neither the first nor the last in that program,GÇ£ he writes.
Once again the language is clear with regard to TMCs position on this.
TMC wrote: To date, there have been no other public giveaways of the ship, meaning that SOMER Blink employees' private rewards may account for a quarter of the Scorpions Ishukone Watch in the game.
And again, TMC is making clear the publicly known facts while also covering that it may transpire that CCP has secretly been giving these ships away to other people as well.
And lastly, as many other people have managed to do, you could have directly asked Somer Blink representatives if it was true... From the chat discussion in their channel earlier following the news story breaking, you'd have had your answer already (hint, yes).
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Rob Crowley
State War Academy
201
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:41:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Of course all this rage will ensure that nobody gets anything in the future. Well great, then it was good for something. In case you haven't noticed we want that nobody arbitrarily gets ingame stuff in the future.
Quote:Life is not fair. Deal with it. Oh look, it's that silly "argument" again from last thread. I don't care how fair life is. I care how fair Eve is. Cause that's what I'm paying for. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
35
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:41:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Some real data. Not simply a name on a screenshot. Who could be any player behind that character now. An opportunity for CCP to speak on it to present their view point.
Or are we now judge, jury & executioner now simply because The Mittani says CCP are evil today? I'm sorry, I don't work like that. I actually work on facts, and allow people to defend themselves first. Then I'll crucify them if it's justified AFTER they get the chance.
Not simply because one of the most biased EVE news sites with it's own major agenda decides to attack CCP's business.
Define "real data". I mean, we know it's true if the guy who is second in command confirmed it via PM.
And frankly, CCP does not have a reason good enough for me. I don't even need to read the article to know I'm quitting eve. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4690
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:43:00 -
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Koby Botick wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Kelby wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident. Yes. The T20 incident was the action of a rogue employee acting behind the backs of his colleagues. This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy. No not official. CCP does not endorse officially. That's why they are supposed to keep this silent and under the radar. I really like how they like and unofficially endorse SOMER blink which is a gambling outfit when there are jurisdictions where all gambling on the internet are forbidden and even so when they aren't the main function of some site/game. But for ccp this is just par for the course I guess. i thought blink was 100% honest ccp endorsed? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
554
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:43:00 -
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If it was not true, CCP would be posting the "NOT BE TOLERATED" blog already including the bans that resulted from such a blatant lie and slander.
But nothing.
But honestly, all of that aside, you guys have to try to remember that his is just a video game, and CCP runs it. They can do whatever they want, favor whomever they want, give and take whatever they want.
Somer Mahm is winning the meta game of Eve. Yes, that does mean you are losing. Cry me a river. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3473
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:45:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Of course all this rage will ensure that nobody gets anything in the future. Well great, then it was good for something. In case you haven't noticed we want that nobody arbitrarily gets ingame stuff in the future. Quote:Life is not fair. Deal with it. Oh look, it's that silly "argument" again from last thread. I don't care how fair life is. I care how fair Eve is. Cause that's what I'm paying for.
All I am doing is echoing the things that are said to noobs and carebears who get ganked.
Everybody has their limit for how much unfairness they can boost their self esteem with.
What I will now do is, not change my opinion no matter what you post.
I'm watching the people who normally have the upper hand in telling others how unfair things are, and relishing in it, and seeing them act like a 2-month missioner who just lost his first BS in Amamake.
Gotta be careful crossing the street lest you get hit by the whaaaaaaaaaaambulance.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
403
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:46:00 -
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Literally Space Moses wrote:
Define "real data". I mean, we know it's true if the guy who is second in command confirmed it via PM.
And frankly, CCP does not have a reason good enough for me. I don't even need to read the article to know I'm quitting eve.
If only there was some way we could read the persons PM's who confirmed it. Almost like some way to try and catch spies, but in this case used to verify the spy was telling the truth. If there was such a way, I think I would call it.... the API system. With a mask for Mail Messages.....
That's a pretty good verification at that point that the PM from the Somer Blink leader actually occurred. Though that PM doesn't actually confirm the scorpions were issued. That would need an Assets list verification..... Hmmm.......
So yea. Real Data. Provided using real systems, that actually exist. So we can all view the raw data ourselves and see the truth.
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Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
11
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:48:00 -
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Term of Service:
Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Do not spell check Dev name.
Favoritism is toxic for a competitive sandbox game, CCP. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4690
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:50:00 -
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Arcueid Saber wrote:Term of Service: Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. Do not spell check Dev name. Favoritism is toxic for a competitive sandbox game, CCP. Ban whoever wrote that article There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
205
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:52:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:All I am doing is echoing the things that are said to noobs and carebears who get ganked. You are aware we are talking about totally different degrees of fairness here? The referee actively influencing the game by supporting one side is very much different from one side in the game just outclassing the other side.
Quote:I'm watching the people who normally have the upper hand in telling others how unfair things are, and relishing in it, and seeing them act like a 2-month missioner who just lost his first BS in Amamake. I think you fail to take into account that I'm one of those hisec carebears. But don't let me interrupt your GRRRR GOONS ad hominem posts if you enjoy them so much. |
A Research Alt
Perkone Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:52:00 -
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"Let's just ban everyone and pretend this will go away"
yeah see how far that gets you CCP |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16760
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:54:00 -
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Arcueid Saber wrote:Term of Service: Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. Do not spell check Dev name. Favoritism is toxic for a competitive sandbox game, CCP. You're not really implying anything any more if the subject outright says it himselfGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
586
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:56:00 -
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A Research Alt wrote:"Let's just ban everyone and pretend this will go away"
yeah see how far that gets you CCP
In fairness that is traditionally their MO.
...I would know. |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:56:00 -
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The no favoritism thing is there since what the T20 times? And it turned out to be completely true and lead to the existence of the CSM. But that was a long time ago, perhaps it's time for a rematch or something.
CCP is literally crossing the rubicon. :golfclap:
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Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
35
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:57:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote:
Define "real data". I mean, we know it's true if the guy who is second in command confirmed it via PM.
And frankly, CCP does not have a reason good enough for me. I don't even need to read the article to know I'm quitting eve.
If only there was some way we could read the persons PM's who confirmed it. Almost like some way to try and catch spies, but in this case used to verify the spy was telling the truth. If there was such a way, I think I would call it.... the API system. With a mask for Mail Messages..... That's a pretty good verification at that point that the PM from the Somer Blink leader actually occurred. Though that PM doesn't actually confirm the scorpions were issued. That would need an Assets list verification..... Hmmm....... So yea. Real Data. Provided using real systems, that actually exist. So we can all view the raw data ourselves and see the truth.
Who the **** is going to release their full API to you? (Spoiler: no one)
Also, the fact that Somer employees have confirmed it in their channel (pretty much any of them when asks) should be proof enough. |
Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
18
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:58:00 -
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This is the time for those of you who feel strongly about this to take an action that CCP will understand. Log off.
The Goons are the one group that could organize such a thing and actually have an impact. Next week, beginning at 00:00 Friday, log off every CFC pilot for the entire weekend. With an entire coalition logged out, plus anyone sympathetic to it also logged out, maybe concurrent logon numbers will wake them out of their ******* stupidity. Nothing less will have any effect. As long as you keep logging on and providing content, CCP doesn't give a rat's ass what you think. |
A Research Alt
Perkone Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:59:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:A Research Alt wrote:"Let's just ban everyone and pretend this will go away"
yeah see how far that gets you CCP In fairness that is traditionally their MO. ...I would know.
CCP never seems to learn, do they? |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
337
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:59:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20?
As mentioned before this will be a 'CCP sanctioned' reward lol
Next:
CCP someone gets a smack on wrist CCP PR dude releases statement to legitimise the stink - that smell is actually roses... Many players agree. SB spins a 'we never wanted those gifts anyway' and refuse any new gifts in show of integrity/solidarity with CCP to placate players CSM say well ok, so long as CCP are repentant and SB gained no advantage we'll go back to being useless CCP advisors CCP reward SB anyway by next fanfest after stink dies down with some other 'deserved' reward
Yes I'm a cynical man. |
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