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Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:47:00 -
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Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. |
Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:50:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:as more are given away as prizes and such will its value not deminish as per the supply demand chart? not when they're being given away in secret some will be given in a public forum... some as a special thank you from ccp... its not ccp duty to tell you everytime they want to say thank you. as i said entitlement.
Some will be given as a prize from a Tournament, a prize well earned that took skill and planning as well as cost to achieve.
Some however, will be given in a shushed voice, behind closed doors, breaking the ideals of the game, giving one side a definitive advantage, and for what? Community service?
No, instead of RVB, Chribba, The EVEmon or EFT developers, nether Goons, nor the major alliances in eve which have defined and molded the community of EVE.
They give it to a corp that runs a lottery. They don't even sort out the community, they just run a business.
CCP haven't just broken the ethics of the game, which is to do what you pretty much want to do. They broke it the wrong way |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2237
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:51:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out. and people are wondering why i keep on saying this is an entitlement issue... you are all spoiled brats. IMO
and you are wondering why people are thinking you're too dumb for this discussion...
you can't parse common rhetorical techniques, such as sarcasm and whimsy. IMO "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16817
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:51:00 -
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Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Well, in a sense, he's right there. After all, the Scorp is actually worth something whereas the T2 BPO is not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:52:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Hey CCP, I understand you want to encourage people who do things to benefit the EVE community.....but, you really need to figure out a way to limit the impact that your gifts do to the rest of the game.
I mean, make them account bound, prevent them from being sold/traded/contracted, something like that. You get your nice "good job!" gift, the rest of the community doesn't get pissed when you hand out the equivalent of 30bil ISK.
They don't haz to be sold SOMERBlink offers ISK if you want that instead of your prize xD |
Julius Priscus
157
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:56:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out. and people are wondering why i keep on saying this is an entitlement issue... you are all spoiled brats. IMO
entitlement works more than one way.
if somer blink gets 30 rare ships for just taking advantage of gambling.. then eve uni should get 100's for what they have done over the years
your reasoning is ********. IMO -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:59:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Mehrunes666 Dagon wrote:You know a way to make everyone happy would be to give everyone something, instead of just a selected favorite few.
I for one could go for a nice Freki myself, that or free SoE ships when they come out. and people are wondering why i keep on saying this is an entitlement issue... you are all spoiled brats. IMO and you are wondering why people are thinking you're too dumb for this discussion... you can't parse common rhetorical techniques, such as sarcasm and whimsy. IMO
ah so as I suspected this entire thread is a massive troll by cfc... good job 10/10 guys... talk about about emerging gameplay...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:00:00 -
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This is nice, keep it up chaps There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:01:00 -
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Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money.
Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Kate stark
305
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:02:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:ah so as I suspected this entire thread is a massive troll by cfc... good job 10/10 guys... talk about about emerging gameplay...
at least they took time to understand the issue before they posted. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5937
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:04:00 -
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CroisisCZ wrote:or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Case closed, now for the bans... I don't see anyone implying favoritism.
I see a whole lot of people explicitly accusing them of it outright. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:04:00 -
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well if they are equal or even less in efficiency of normal scorpions and refine to 1 trit then there's not really any big deal.. the price of 12 bill is not CCP fault but rather the idiots who are buying it at that price... if the community had stand together ingame they would have put up 1 isk buy order just to **** them up but they deemed a reskin worth of 12 bill for a not that much limited ships |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2326
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:07:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention. The latter fundamentally changed the balance of power. The former is a princess dress.
Get over it.
No - you really can't - a T2 BPO having been given out to a single entity is unheard of, meaning there is a limitless supply of the product from various entities which provides competition.
Giving out unique ships (which are speculation objects) to rmt-laundring parasites like Somer is not even the same league as T20.
It's just so much worse... You know... morons. |
Nobani
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:09:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it.
You might have a point if items were account bound in EVE. But items can be exchanged for something known as "ISK" which can then be used to buy other items, a 20b supposedly rare spaceship equivalent to a 20b BPO.
Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:11:00 -
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Nobani wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it. You might have a point if items were account bound in EVE. But items can be exchanged for something known as "ISK" which can then be used to buy other items, a 20b supposedly rare spaceship equivalent to a 20b BPO. Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW. I think you're being trolled.
CCP started it, by saying it was worth "very little" since it refined to 1 trit.
Amusingly, you can't refine titans and supercarriers ... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
268
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:12:00 -
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I'm sorry, I must be missing something, but on this occasion I am struggling to care. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5938
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:12:00 -
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"You can't put a value on 1400mm artillery. You could use it to shoot an industrial carrying 15 T2 BPOs and make virtually unlimited profit!" My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4704
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:13:00 -
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Nobani wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it. You might have a point if items were account bound in EVE. But items can be exchanged for something known as "ISK" which can then be used to buy other items, a 20b supposedly rare spaceship equivalent to a 20b BPO. Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW. Clearly soulbind all bpos and special ships There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:18:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Gogela wrote:I
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention. The latter fundamentally changed the balance of power. The former is a princess dress.
Get over it. No - you really can't - a T2 BPO having been given out to a single entity is unheard of, meaning there is a limitless supply of the product from various entities which provides competition. Giving out unique ships (which are speculation objects) to rmt-laundring parasites like Somer is not even the same league as T20. It's just so much worse...
welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:18:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: I think you're being trolled.
This is the thread in which pubbies everywhere try to troll the evil evil goonies, apparently. Fortunately, ISD is on the case and really cracking down on the HAHAHAHAHA |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16818
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:18:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:and there lies the joke. there is no issue. GǪso (former) BoB should get their BPOs back. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:20:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:well if they are equal or even less in efficiency of normal scorpions and refine to 1 trit then there's not really any big deal.. the price of 12 bill is not CCP fault but rather the idiots who are buying it at that price... if the community had stand together ingame they would have put up 1 isk buy order just to **** them up but they deemed a reskin worth of 12 bill for a not that much limited ships
The problem is that CCP already knew that these ships were super valuable. At the core of this issue is still the fact that, regardless of their corporate aspirations, the people at SOMER are still players. The supposedly impartial devs/GMs/nerds went into this transaction knowing the value of these ships, knowing the somewhat dubious history of SOMER Blink, and having already entered into a semi-partnership with them over GTCs. At its core, EVE is about the acquisition of ISK, through every player's preferred means. Players will say that it's about PvP, piracy, exploration, or countless other reasons, but all those are a means to an end. By directly aiding other players by giving them extremely valuable in-game property, they altered game mechanics. Whereas other players would have to work just to get enough money to buy that ship, then hope that it increases in value, the players at SOMER essentially received free ISK from officials who have a limitless supply. It's that simple. The programmers helped the players, and that's just wrong. I don't know why it's so hard for people to see. It would be like the commissioner of your favorite sport stepping in and giving certain teams free points every week; it leaves everyone else at a disadvantage. It's making me question why I came back, which is a shame because I really love this game. Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2239
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:22:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is.
So if CCP spawned every Goon a (special faction) titan that was 95% as efficient as a regular Titan but didn't refine into anything / the wreck can't be salvaged, then there's no issue there, right?
Not sure if you're a dumb person trolling, or a very dumb person talking from the heart. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:24:00 -
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Nobani wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Montmazar wrote:Gogela wrote:
Some of you are bats*** crazy. You can't compare a skinjob scorp and a T2 BPO before invention.
You can compare them just fine if they are worth similar amounts of space money. Space money comes and goes. Obvious in game advantages for having free tools to make ISK (T2 blueprints) stay for good. An argument that in game item that gives the direct in game advantages is the same as a vanity pantjob Scorpion (which isn't much of a ship anyway) is trolling at best and you know it. You might have a point if items were account bound in EVE. But items can be exchanged for something known as "ISK" which can then be used to buy other items, a 20b supposedly rare spaceship equivalent to a 20b BPO. Even if the final value of the Scorpions is 10k ISK it doesn't matter, since they can be sold NOW.
The owner of the ship will not have any advantage over other players in the game by using the given item and can not create value based on real profitability of the usage of Ishukone Scorpion. At least the painted Scorpion will not give an advantage over any other user of any other Scorpion in the game.
On the other hand, T2 blueprints have a real value when used. You can calculate the pure profit of using the t2 blueprints by calculating the difference between having to use datacores and invention to just using t2 original and saving time and investment ISK (datacores, POS fuel for creating t1 copies and invention).
This is the difference between a vanity item with purely speculative price and an in-game advantage item. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:27:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:The owner of the ship will not have any advantage over other players in the game by using the given item Pretty sure 20billion ISK being handed to you is 'an advantage'
Try again? "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:28:00 -
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help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:29:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:MeBiatch wrote:welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is. So if CCP spawned every Goon a (special faction) titan that was 95% as efficient as a regular Titan but didn't refine into anything / the wreck can't be salvaged, then there's no issue there, right? Not sure if you're a dumb person trolling, or a very dumb person talking from the heart.
actually i would not mind that at all... every goon stuck in a titan.
you guys would quit out of boredom in a week.
and 10 000 is different then 30... silly bee. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:29:00 -
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Like maybe just google 'vanity' first idk might help "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2247
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:30:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:MeBiatch wrote:welll there is your logic problem you assume its a speculation object... well from ccp action its not... so stop thinking it is. So if CCP spawned every Goon a (special faction) titan that was 95% as efficient as a regular Titan but didn't refine into anything / the wreck can't be salvaged, then there's no issue there, right? Not sure if you're a dumb person trolling, or a very dumb person talking from the heart. actually i would not mind that at all... every goon stuck in a titan. you guys would quit out of boredom in a week. and 10 000 is different then 30... silly bee. 30 represented their whole 'corp' much like 10k represents us.
Fair is fair.
But since you're now agreeing that we should be given 10,000 titans rather than back down from your stupid position, we can safely assume nothing you say is of any value. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1331
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:30:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:help help help my purely vanity item is shooting missiles and jamming people help help this isn't meant to be
please be stupid enough to actually pay 20 billion for one and undock from jita saying you will jam every one... please. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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