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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:58:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Anyone else still thinking they just don't get it? considering they followed it up with "looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community." then yeah, it sounds like they have no clue what they've done wrong. The stupid thing is, they should of had a program with a set of gifs already in place and listed on the forums for all to see. If they had then we wouldn't be in this situation now. So when CCP announced that they wanted to work and reward 3rd Party Entities, at that point they should of either included or made a new dev blog stating the list of gifts that you could receive. Then when ever any of these gifts were issued, create a new blog stating who got what and why/ or alternatively the gifts shouldn't have any impact upon the game. free gametime, a title on their character's "show info" pannel, an in game medal thingy, a golden pod (those things aren't sellable right?). nobody would care if the people at somer got those even if it was under the table because at the end of the day the guys at somer put a lot of work in to what they do and it does generate a lot of stuff for a lot of people however handing them a fist full of isk in a hush hush fashion is really not the way to reward them. also, if it was any of the above suggestions they wouldn't have had to keep it quiet. the whole situation is setting a precedent that people are clearly uncomfortable with. i mean, the scorpions themselves, or the isk, really isn't the issue. it's the path ccp are choosing to walk down.
Totally agree
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Bruce Kemp
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:59:00 -
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So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions? |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2449
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:04:00 -
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Bruce Kemp wrote:So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions? How many GTC sales have you generated? CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1269
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:08:00 -
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I am glad to see Chribba on board with the community on this. One of the most powerful statements that could be made is if Chribba would take a lead role in asking the questions and sharing publicly the answers. Perhaps a video of him asking challenging questions.
Also, Chribba could start a boycott of his very own. Until this matter is resolved, I call on Chribba and miners everywhere to ceasing mining anything. Do missions, pvp, whatever. But take a stand and make a positive impact by actions on a large scale.
edit* btw I think I have generated ALOT of GTC sales myself from people who could not read and follow simple rules in my bio See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
806
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:12:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Bruce Kemp wrote:So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions? How many GTC sales have you generated?
Why would the GTC sales matter?, the only reason people buy game time through somer, and not directly from ccp, is that bonus isk you get from somer. I'm guessing that ccp lose money, compared to people buying directly from them, every time someone uses somer to buy game time.
I can't see how somer directly is doing anything to get new people to subscribe to the game, they are basically just making monkey of the people who are already playing the game, people who would have used ccp directly if somer didn't exist.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Memnon Shepard
Crimson Reavers
12
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:12:00 -
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Supporting community initiatives is like building a finely tuned machine, guys. CCP is working on it, they promise. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
189
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:14:00 -
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I mean the more I stare at this SOMERblink website it becomes clear how ridiculous this all was.
This website offers me no services, no information, it is nothing other than an isk making tool for the people who run the lottery.
For CCP Navigator to extol their virtues in absurd to say the least. It's like rewarding the guy who stocks the most markets in EVE for stocking the most markets.
They created a web interface that allows them to make isk with more efficiency than they could without it. Big deal.
Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:
1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.
2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.
3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.
4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
67
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:17:00 -
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dexington wrote:Why would the GTC sales matter?
You don-¦t get it, or? It-¦s all about GTC and nothing else. This is the only reason why Somer is favored all over all other Eve-Communities.
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Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:19:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:I mean the more I stare at this SOMERblink website it becomes clear how ridiculous this all was.
This website offers me no services, no information, it is nothing other than an isk making tool for the people who run the lottery.
For CCP Navigator to extol their virtues in absurd to say the least. It's like rewarding the guy who stocks the most markets in EVE for stocking the most markets.
They created a web interface that allows them to make isk with more efficiency than they could without it. Big deal.
Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:
1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.
2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.
3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.
4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
362
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:22:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Bruce Kemp wrote:So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions? How many GTC sales have you generated?
CCP said it's for content though never mentioned plex's, or has that line changed overnight ?
Content is stuff ingame, getting people to buy plex's to give more isk into a lottery site is good buisness.
So I will add my voice asking for something for all the content I have added, all I got was a chuffing RP medal when by the looks of it I could of gotten a lot more.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5955
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:22:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. Yes, that was entirely altruistic. They didn't stand to gain anything from the increased exposure of such a move. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Kate stark
309
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:24:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO.
and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things.
throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising.
blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
807
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:37:00 -
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Bronco Platz wrote:dexington wrote:Why would the GTC sales matter? You don-¦t get it, or? It-¦s all about GTC and nothing else. This is the only reason why Somer is favored all over all other Eve-Communities.
No i don't get it, how is it they are effectually providing ccp with a larger profit?
They are selling at lower prices, Europeans can pay the lower dollar price, and they are most likely getting some retailer bonus when selling a GTC, which just makes ccp's profit less then if they would have sold the GTC them self.
I fail to see how they are directly generating new customers, so how exactly would the GTC be relevant? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:37:00 -
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What makes me also sad is that so many people fail to see this simple fact : A lottery with the theme "EVE" in background has nothing to do with the game EVE whatsoever. It is just another lottery. It brings nothing to EVE. They could have done it with the theme far west or pirats or whatever, it would change nothing to what they are concretly doing : sucking money from naive people and giving back a smaller amount via a lottery. And the fact that isk is used as intermediary doesn't change anything, for isk is permanantly interchangeable with real money. CCP rewarding them is very representative of their state of mind : blink money with a fishy smell above loyal and happy customers. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
807
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:45:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things. throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising. blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing.
They still did more good for the game and provided more content then you will ever do...
CCP gave them the ship, their hand was not forced. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:51:00 -
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i would like to see goons recive some underthetable scorpions and see what they do after all they deserve them the provided lots of new contents and emergent gameplay via highsec miner ganking |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. Yes, that was entirely altruistic. They didn't stand to gain anything from the increased exposure of such a move.
This is your problem, you are obsessed with making out that Somer is some evil entity, there a business and a good one at that.
They are good because not only they are profitable, very popular, use very clever advertising techniques but they also give some back.
Also they have given billions isk and have never advertised the fact.
They have also sponsored RvB Gank NIghts as well Eve Uni classes.
Sure it help them get more players to bet, but at least they give something back which is better then most businesses.
The problem is not with Somer but with CCP.
You really need to stop the Somer bashing because all it does make it look like the Goons have a personal vendetta and detracts from the real issue which is CCP giving away items which can have an in game effect in secrecy. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1270
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:54:00 -
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To mare wrote:i would like to see goons recive some underthetable scorpions and see what they do after all they deserve them the provided lots of new contents and emergent gameplay via highsec miner ganking
The Goons would keep them while publicly laughing about the whole thing. The community would still be upset, but at least it wouldn't be a secret that comes out awkwardly.
Now if the New Order were given such ships under the table, James 315 would return them or use them as ganking ships. The New Order is among the most respected groups within Eve Online. You can read more at www.minerbumping.com See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Kate stark
313
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:56:00 -
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dexington wrote:Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things. throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising. blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing. They still did more good for the game and provided more content then you will ever do... CCP gave them the ship, their hand was not forced.
and in what way does that change the fact that somer are not a community service? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:01:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:dexington wrote:Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things. throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising. blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing. They still did more good for the game and provided more content then you will ever do... CCP gave them the ship, their hand was not forced. and in what way does that change the fact that somer are not a community service?
It doesn't but then against doesn't mean they are evil. They are a business, pure and simple.
The issue is not Somer and shouldn't be either.
It doesn't matter it if was Somer, EveMon, Dotlan, Z Killboard, Chribba etc...
What matters is that CCP are giving people items that can have an effect in game for free, in secrecy.
It raises the questions
Who else has received items?
What items did they receive?
Why did they get those items? |
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Kate stark
313
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:10:00 -
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it's not even that, it's his implication that providing content should be a criteria for handing out IW scorps.
by that logic, there are people more deserving than blink anyway. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
162
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:13:00 -
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this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming ______________________________________________________________________-á
GÖ½ When your pod gets blown to bits GÖ¬GÖ½ And you lose your implant fits GÖ¬\Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1271
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:15:00 -
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? It has been like 1 day and CSM members have already commented here. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
807
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:16:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:dexington wrote:Kate stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Somer is not the issue, its the fact that CCP are giving away gifts which can have an effect in game in secret.
Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. and we'll point out that's bollocks in the same way coca-cola is a for profit company not a community service just because it sponsors a few kids football teams and other things. throwing money at something to have your name attached to it isn't providing a community service; it's advertising. blink aren't a charity, or a public service. they're a goddamn casino business thing. They still did more good for the game and provided more content then you will ever do... CCP gave them the ship, their hand was not forced. and in what way does that change the fact that somer are not a community service?
Running a gambling site is by definition a entertainment service, and they actually spend a lot of the isk they make to provide content for even the people who don't gamble.
CCP should not have given them the ship secretly, maybe not at all, but that don't make somer the bad guy. If they wanted they could keep all the isk they make for them self, but they don't they give parts of it to people who make the game better by making content, and if you can't see why that's a good thing.... I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:18:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:it's not even that, it's his implication that providing content should be a criteria for handing out IW scorps.
by that logic, there are people more deserving than blink anyway.
That is true, but the items in questions and who they were given to is not the important part, CCP's part in all of this is what matters the most and we shouldn't detract from this by getting involved in whether Somer are this that or the other.
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Kate stark
313
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:23:00 -
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dexington wrote: Running a gambling site is by definition a entertainment service, and they actually spend a lot of the isk they make to provide content for even the people who don't gamble.
CCP should not have given them the ship secretly, maybe not at all, but that don't make somer the bad guy. If they wanted they could keep all the isk they make for them self, but they don't they give parts of it to people who make the game better by making content, and if you can't see why that's a good thing....
providing a service =/= being a community service.
Prince Kobol wrote:That is true, but the items in questions and who they were given to is not the important part, CCP's part in all of this is what matters the most and we shouldn't detract from this by getting involved in whether Somer are this that or the other.
i agree. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
67
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:27:00 -
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ST0NER SMURF wrote:this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming
So true. I mean CSM was satisfied with last weeks CCPstatement, that tells them, they arn't useful in any way. Hell most of them show up in the forums to run their campaign. Or to tell players: I was in Iceland and learned a lot about Eves possiblly future. But I don't tell you! *Nelson haha!*" |
Prince Kobol
973
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:31:00 -
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Bronco Platz wrote:ST0NER SMURF wrote:this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming So true. I mean CSM was satisfied with last weeks CCPstatement, that tells them, they arn't useful in any way. Hell most of them show up in the forums to run their campaign. Or to tell players: I was in Iceland and learned a lot about Eves possiblly future. But I don't tell you! *Nelson haha!*"
Usually I am one of the first people saying the CSM are useless however in this instance I actually feel for them.
They can only go on what information they are given by CCP.
They can not act on what they don't know.
So far I happy with the statements they have made, in this instance they can only react and so far they are doing okay.
Come next week when CCP Devs are back at work and they have had the chance to talk to them, then I will pass judgement.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5957
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:35:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Also CCP will point to the 100 of billions of isk Somer have spent sponsoring events such as 320bil for the NEO. Yes, that was entirely altruistic. They didn't stand to gain anything from the increased exposure of such a move. This is your problem, you are obsessed with making out that Somer is some evil entity, there a business and a good one at that. Then you misunderstand my point entirely
Prince Kobol wrote:You really need to stop the Somer bashing because all it does make it look like the Goons have a personal vendetta and detracts from the real issue which is CCP giving away items which can have an in game effect in secrecy. To most intelligent people it goes without saying that my views are my own and not necessarily indicative of views that are held by my corp, my alliance, or anyone else within them. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
162
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:36:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Bronco Platz wrote:ST0NER SMURF wrote:this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming So true. I mean CSM was satisfied with last weeks CCPstatement, that tells them, they arn't useful in any way. Hell most of them show up in the forums to run their campaign. Or to tell players: I was in Iceland and learned a lot about Eves possiblly future. But I don't tell you! *Nelson haha!*" Usually I am one of the first people saying the CSM are useless however in this instance I actually feel for them. They can only go on what information they are given by CCP. They can not act on what they don't know. So far I happy with the statements they have made, in this instance they can only react and so far they are doing okay. Come next week when CCP Devs are back at work and they have had the chance to talk to them, then I will pass judgement.
wel thats yust it, ccp made csm for pr mostly, as they still do whatever they want without letting csm know or Judge wich makes it al pointless ______________________________________________________________________-á
GÖ½ When your pod gets blown to bits GÖ¬GÖ½ And you lose your implant fits GÖ¬\Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
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