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Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
48
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:54:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning? Say as little as possible. Gather the facts. Decide course of action, really sorry, tough it out etc. Respond.
They've already made several statements to various web sites, they're just refusing to issue a statement to the players. Probably think if they avoid it it'll go away. #T2013 |
Kosakei Sanko
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:58:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:There is absolutely no way to count on the CSM to represent us. They are in another world, the world of blink-blink, glitter pailettes. The CSM has been created by CCP only to serve as buffer between them and the customers. We must fight by ourselves.
I don't necessarily believe this. The CSM is a great idea, but I have to question just how much CCP actually values their opinion. Someone brought up the idea of this Scorp scandal being a huge publicity stunt; I can't help but wonder if the CSM is as well (no offense to the CSM, of course).
Gimme a unique T2 Khanid battleship called the Castigator and I'd be willing to forget all this happened. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1335
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia wrote:In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. I believe you, but could I get a source for this?
i remember reading about this too. thats why early in the thread i mentioned that if the NeX store had not caused so much controversy that we would have had these ships around Christmas 2011.
Though i think it was in a blog talking about the NeX store or some leadup to the actual release of Incarna... cannot pin it down... but i do remember it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
199
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:12:00 -
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Well, isn't this interesting.
Back in the day some dev gave free stuff to a major nullsec alliance. Pretty sure that guy got fired. So... are CCP going to fire themselves now or how does this work? We go to Iceland and take over? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16835
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:15:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia wrote:In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. I believe you, but could I get a source for this? OoofGǪ it's buried in a post about the (in)capabilities of the NeX in one of the bajillion threads on the old forums from 2011 that discusses it and/or the introduction of the IshuScorp. At this point, I don't even remember which dev said it. I don't even think they used any of the nice catchwords (like GǣsingletonGǥ) that would help narrow it down.
My google fu is not strong enough to separate all possible dev posts out of a general query aimed at the old forum url.
MeBiatch wrote:so what you are saying is they should finish the NeX store? No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4724
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:18:00 -
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Kosakei Sanko wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:There is absolutely no way to count on the CSM to represent us. They are in another world, the world of blink-blink, glitter pailettes. The CSM has been created by CCP only to serve as buffer between them and the customers. We must fight by ourselves. I don't necessarily believe this. The CSM is a great idea, but I have to question just how much CCP actually values their opinion. Someone brought up the idea of this Scorp scandal being a huge publicity stunt; I can't help but wonder if the CSM is as well (no offense to the CSM, of course). No, the "gold magnate" was the publicity stunt
The scorpions were some backdoor giveaway
The leak was TMC catching someone doing a backdoor giveaway
The csm is supposed to run interference and provide cover. except sometimes people don't seem willing to throw themselves into the fire to help ccp avoid some burns There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1299
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:18:00 -
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Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4724
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:20:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay. only if he can keep it more secret than the somer scorpion giveaways There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
150
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:28:00 -
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I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1299
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:30:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay. only if he can keep it more secret than the somer scorpion giveaways
I just figured iceland was a socialist country or something, so the labor folks may fight for his job back along with all the money he would have earned had he worked. Years ago I worked in a union company. A guy was fired because a manager walked by and saw an alcoholic beverage on the guy's lunch receipt that was sitting on his desk. Anyway, the union fought for his job and won. This guy ended up getting backpay for like a year and a half that he did not work. Futhermore, it was counted as though he would have worked every overtime hour offered. It was a $10 an hour job and this guy got $45k out of it. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
199
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:35:00 -
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Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid.
Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.
"Greed is good" |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
151
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:38:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good. "Greed is good"
Indeed
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Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
184
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:39:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:[The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.
"Greed is good"
Which means : they are ready to destroy the game for a short term profit. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4726
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:39:00 -
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Xtreem wrote:Bischopt wrote:Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good. "Greed is good" Indeed New players, huh.
So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1335
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:so what you are saying is they should finish the NeX store? No.
well there goes my attempt at being facetious.
though there is a certain Irony that something the players never wanted in game due to the NeX store ended up being an item people would be willing to pay upwards of 15 billion for and then raging that they were given out in secrecy as vanity items.
its like two previous CCP derps (t20 and the NeX store) had a baby ... and now we are left with the child of Chucky. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:40:00 -
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TL;DR:
Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. You people must be real fun at parties... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
151
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Xtreem wrote:Bischopt wrote:Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good. "Greed is good" Indeed New players, huh. So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players?
it is more of the fact they will try anything to sweeten the pot so to speak to get people interested, the uproar would be nothing if it was forthright, but it was underhand and 'old cpp' like.
things need to change.
By all means makes things better for new players, dumping billions onto a 3rd party is not the way to do it, and you know it.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:46:00 -
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Xtreem wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Xtreem wrote:Bischopt wrote:Xtreem wrote:I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.
*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid. Yeah. The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years. To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good. "Greed is good" Indeed New players, huh. So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players? it is more of the fact they will try anything to sweeten the pot so to speak to get people interested, the uproar would be nothing if it was forthright, but it was underhand and 'old cpp' like. things need to change. By all means makes things better for new players, dumping billions onto a 3rd party is not the way to do it, and you know it.
Billions were not dumped onto a 3rd party. Items were dumped that are made worth billions by the same community who is bitching about said items. If the community suddenly collectively decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Kate stark
324
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:47:00 -
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guys!
guys!
all publicity is good publicity....
right?! Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16835
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:49:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:TL;DR:
Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you thinkGǪ
MeBiatch wrote:though there is a certain Irony that something the players never wanted in game due to the NeX store ended up being an item people would be willing to pay upwards of 15 billion for and then raging that they were given out in secrecy as vanity items.
its like two previous CCP derps (t20 and the NeX store) had a baby ... and now we are left with the child of Chucky. It's a pretty fine example of how thoroughly awful the NeX and everything surrounding it was GÇö its miscellaneous secretions haunt us to this dayGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
80
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:55:00 -
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Quote:decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught?
Let's say 5 ISK. You eben get 1 Trit when you refine it. |
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:56:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:
Billions were not dumped onto a 3rd party. Items were dumped that are made worth billions by the same community who is bitching about said items. If the community suddenly collectively decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught?
But they're not worth 2 isk. What a weird argument. |
StabThigh
Amarrshmellow
3
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:57:00 -
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There are literally two statements that CCP could make that I would consider as "we give a **** about the money you give us every month":
1. We're sorry, we ok'd this event because we are morons. or 2. Wow somebody made some promises and did some things without getting clearance first. We're sorry, said people will be disciplined.
An iota of corporate backpedaling or "this is ok because..." would spell disaster. Really, you have an awesome player-base that has stuck with you through cubic kilometers of past BS because they like your niche game. How about instead of shitting all over your subscribers by building new monuments in CCP HQ, creating ****** rap videos, investing eve profits in your vampire barbie sim, and secretly handing out advantages to select corps- how about instead of all of that extraneous BS, you... I don't know... fortify eve?
Just a thought.
I find it hilarious that the Hilmar blog post from 2007 is "down" . I'm one heartbeat away from boycotting every CCP product - the pinion of this decision lies on the next devblog addressing this matter. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:TL;DR:
Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you thinkGǪ
I know what's going on. The only mistake people are justified in ranting about is that CCP gave these gifts in secret and trying to keep it hush hush.
People spend a lot of time creating out-of-game entertainment for EVE Online and CCP saw fit to reward them for that. As the game's developer they are fully in their right to make the decision.
SOMER being a for-profit business makes no difference in the matter. People would be bitching even if this was a charity and don't pretend they wouldn't. With all the donations and promo's SOMER runs they might as well be a charity.
The fact that a gift was given is not even the issue here. If they all got a T1 Raven no-one would even care. But OH ****, this is a unique ship worth a few billion ISK? OUTRAGE!
This is jealousy, pure and simple. Someone got an expensive gift and now all the little kids want an expensive gift of their own or it should be taken away. Because unless everyone can have an expensive gift, no-one should have an expensive gift.
It's pathetic really. And EVEN if it weren't so pathetic; EVE is not fair. Not by a long shot. Anyone thinking it is is delusional. Deal with it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
StabThigh
Amarrshmellow
4
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:06:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:TL;DR:
Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you thinkGǪ I know what's going on. The only mistake people are justified in ranting about is that CCP gave these gifts in secret and trying to keep it hush hush. People spend a lot of time creating out-of-game entertainment for EVE Online and CCP saw fit to reward them for that. As the game's developer they are fully in their right to make the decision. SOMER being a for-profit business makes no difference in the matter. People would be bitching even if this was a charity and don't pretend they wouldn't. With all the donations and promo's SOMER runs they might as well be a charity. The fact that a gift was given is not even the issue here. If they all got a T1 Raven no-one would even care. But OH ****, this is a unique ship worth a few billion ISK? OUTRAGE! This is jealousy, pure and simple. Someone got an expensive gift and now all the little kids want an expensive gift of their own or it should be taken away. Because unless everyone can have an expensive gift, no-one should have an expensive gift. It's pathetic really. And EVEN if it weren't so pathetic; EVE is not fair. Not by a long shot. Anyone thinking it is is delusional. Deal with it.
Eve was always "not fair" by the mechanics of the game. Not by dev resource injections. Secret or not, it is wrong.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
87
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:18:00 -
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StabThigh wrote:
Eve was always "not fair" by the mechanics of the game. Not by dev resource injections. Secret or not, it is wrong.
So then all unique ships in the game, prizes for tournaments and stuff are all wrong too? What's the difference?
X gets a multi billion ISK ship for winning the alliance tournament.
Y gets a multi billion ISK ship for running a popular lottery which requires a LOT of man hours to operate.
Everyone likes to pretend that SOMER is an automated service and the guys behind it are just raking in the cash. In reality there's a whole load of people manually processing the transactions. It's a lot more work than spending a few hours winning an alliance tournament.
So how is that amount of work not equally deserving of a community reward? Because they already make a profit (which is largely spent on Promos, donations, sponsorship)? Would everyone feel better if these ships were not allowed to be sold and thus had no monetary value? Wouldn't that go against your precious sandbox? The same sandbox that determines the value of these ships? Because CCP certainly didn't give them the claimed billions. CCP just gave them ships. Other players are willing to pay billions for those ships. That's not CCP's fault. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Kate stark
325
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:22:00 -
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what's different is the way these items were given to a selected group of players in secret.
read the thread and you'd know. read before posting, it stops you posting stuff that we've gone over with other illiterates several times. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
204
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:26:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:So how is that amount of work not equally deserving of a community reward?
Because in the alliance tournament everyone gets to try, everyone gets to compete if they so wish and everybody knows beforehand that there will be rewards.
CCP giving anything to anyone in an unfair manner, giving said people an advantage in-game without giving everyone else a chance to compete for this reward, is wrong. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:26:00 -
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I only want one thing from CCP
tree fiddy |
Ragnen Delent
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:26:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote: Everyone likes to pretend that SOMER is an automated service and the guys behind it are just raking in the cash. In reality there's a whole load of people manually processing the transactions. It's a lot more work than spending a few hours winning an alliance tournament.
So how is that amount of work not equally deserving of a community reward? Because they already make a profit (which is largely spent on Promos, donations, sponsorship)?
Should I then get prizes from CCP for ratting, or you for whatever it is you do to earn isk? The people do the work because they are paid to do so. In fact, Somer almost needs to have those people doing it, because when someone isn't around to preauth payments in and out players get upset mighty quickly. I'm not really sure why "doing lots of work" should result in rewards from CCP. |
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