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Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:54:00 -
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This is a Ripard Teg callout thread:
We voted for you to talk sense into CCP, let them know the players thoughts and feeings about development and keep them from doing dumb things. Not to white knight the dumbest thing they have done since Incarna. |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:57:00 -
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at least the CSM isn't just ripard, ripard, and more ripard. there are some sensible folk on there. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
940
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:01:00 -
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Ripard is a joke of a CSM. The Tears Must Flow |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
683
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:05:00 -
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IB4L
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
144
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:08:00 -
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If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent. |
Catherine Au
Iris Industry and Innovations
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:09:00 -
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That is disappointing, the post in question does not even try to explain the secrecy. Why was a ship given to reward the community done so behind closed doors.. making it private just makes it all the more suspect and underhand. Not exactly the response of someone claiming to represent the player base... |
Kate stark
321
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:13:00 -
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Xtreem wrote:If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent.
it has been 2 non-working days, chill out.
if we haven't heard anything by this time tomorrow then i'll gladly support your position. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
54
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:14:00 -
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A CSM member is supposed to represent his voters and not act on his own opinions.
I support this thread. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
407
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:20:00 -
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Xtreem wrote:If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent.
Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either.
Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style. |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
144
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:22:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Xtreem wrote:If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent. it has been 2 non-working days, chill out. if we haven't heard anything by this time tomorrow then i'll gladly support your position.
Apologies, that is not a position, I have played eve for nearly 10 years now and am happy to take things as they come, but you need to take into account this was reported to have happened in August, we are now in October, this is my only point.
On the overall take, I thing CCP have done a grant job over the years, i just get perplexed they keep making the same mistakes over and over again, for example they always bleet on about a free market, then secretly inject limited edition ships, that is just not cool
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Le Petite More
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
33
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:23:00 -
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He is so wrong on this issue. If he is the kind of player CCP talks to I can see why they thought their blatant favoritism would be okay.
We are not jealous we just want the sandbox left alone. He is in a position to win gifts from CCP, can you say conflict of interest? And CCP clearly did give these Scorpions and the prizes to Somer through favoritism without a clear policy on how they would be given out in the future, such a system is open to all sorts of abuse and clearly has already been abused. If the CSM doesn't take an actual stand on this issue and if CCP doesn't back down I am quitting this game and going back to single players where I have the ability to enter cheat codes to make the game less fun and devalue all my time. |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
182
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:29:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:A CSM member is supposed to represent his voters and not act on his own opinions.
I thought you voted on the CSM because of their opinions? Therefore by expressing his opinions he is reflecting your vote.
While I deplored the idea of new gold magnates being deployed via somer blink and CCP's acts of secrecy [cos CCP are dumb] in giving somer blink folk Ishukone Scorpions, I do not deplore the somer blink folks given Ishukone scorpions due to the fact that A) CCP has stated they would give out ishukone scorpions in the future for various things, B) They only refine for what 1 trit or something like that and C) Their combat effectiveness being as some have said, not being as useful as a basic scorpion.
Ishukone scorpions are not the same as gold magnates, federal megathrons or guardian vexors. They are not extremely rare one of a kind ships, they are probably available for a decent amount of isk [i.e its not only the super rich that can afford them for the moment] and in a fight are not especially likely to show up. CCP has done some [very] stupid things in the recent past and barring not telling people that they would give the scorpions to somer blink characters, its not really worth tooting your trumpet about. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1593
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:30:00 -
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I think it's fine for a CSM to express their opinion, especially on their own blog. However, Ripard's post is an enormous ad hominem and appears to dismiss the opinions of the players upset over this issue as jealously they didn't get scorpions themselves. CCP may have the right to give gifts, but where the gifts confer significant ingame advantage by their enormous ISK value (even if meta, the value is there), players also have the right to question the fairness of the policy without being attacked by the person that's supposed to be taking feedback and representing player concerns, among other things |
Kate stark
322
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:30:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:I thought you voted on the CSM because of their opinions? Therefore by expressing his opinions he is reflecting your vote.
yeah but we had to vote for 12 of them, after 3 votes i was voting for people just to fill up the slots not because i actually agreed with anything they had to say, they were just the "lesser of about 15 other evils" Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
MetaMorpheus Jones
Emerald Inc.
80
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:31:00 -
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thread title should read:
Forum Whiners on the Forum
Rip has his opinion. You have yours. Ya'll are talking about a ship no pilot in his right mind would choose to actually fly, let alone fight in.
$15-$20B ISK? Pfft. I wouldn't waste my money. and collectors are in the business of speculation. Sometimes it turns out the art you bought is actually crap.
That monocle looks ridiculous.-á |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1593
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:31:00 -
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also the ill-considered blog post is contributing to the perfect shitstorm |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
328
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:32:00 -
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The CSM has been a joke since Mittens stepped down before he was pushed. CSM6 led the charge during monoclegate going to the press, challenging CCP and pushing the players concerns when CCP finally came around. This current lot spends their time telling us to shut up and stop complaining or explaining away CCPs fuckups while dancing around the issues. I think half of them are angling for a job. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11983
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:33:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:This is a Ripard Teg callout thread: We voted for you to talk sense into CCP, let them know the players thoughts and feeings about development and keep them from doing dumb things. Not to white knight the dumbest thing they have done since Incarna.
Come on now, this is barely the 10th dumbest thing since Incarna.
Actually I don't think it's even in the top 10.
1 Kings 12:11
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Kate stark
322
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:This is a Ripard Teg callout thread: We voted for you to talk sense into CCP, let them know the players thoughts and feeings about development and keep them from doing dumb things. Not to white knight the dumbest thing they have done since Incarna. Come on now, this is barely the 10th dumbest thing since Incarna. Actually I don't think it's even in the top 10.
what are the top 10, then?
not questioning your judgement, i just want something to read until the sports comes on later. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
55
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:37:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Xtreem wrote:If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent. Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either. Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style.
Fox news twists stories and interviews to make the American government look good with little to no evidence at all. TMC may skew their articles to make the CFC look good at times, but at least they provide things like screen shots and chat logs with some of their articles. That and the fact that their article on this defies the overall governing authority of eve (the devs) instead of skewing it to make CCP look good is enough to differ them from fox news.
Lets face it. Love or hate TMC, without it we would be stuck with things like evenews 24 or kugutsumen. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! |
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
145
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:37:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Xtreem wrote:If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent. Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either. Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style.
Playing only just over a year, I would not expect you to understand how unique ships are handled in game (at least pre 2013, I admit it seems CCP has changed their view)
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Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
56
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:59:00 -
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So... I'm the only person who still really wants Incarna gambling and strippers then? |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:07:00 -
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ok I looked up shill in the Urban dictionary is it 1) A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services.
or 2) The chills a person gets as a result of having to take a terribly bad ****. After I ate Taco Bell my stomach was such a mess that I got the shills in class and had to leave.
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Din Chao
364
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:12:00 -
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EvEa Deva wrote:ok I looked up shill in the Urban dictionary is it 1) A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services.
or 2) The chills a person gets as a result of having to take a terribly bad ****. After I ate Taco Bell my stomach was such a mess that I got the shills in class and had to leave.
Both work. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4724
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:16:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Xtreem wrote:If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent. Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either. Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style. Fox news twists stories and interviews to make the American government look good with little to no evidence at all. TMC may skew their articles to make the CFC look good at times, but at least they provide things like screen shots and chat logs with some of their articles. That and the fact that their article on this defies the overall governing authority of eve (the devs) instead of skewing it to make CCP look good is enough to differ them from fox news. Lets face it. Love or hate TMC, without it we would be stuck with things like evenews 24 or kugutsumen. EN24 would try to find a way to blame goons somehow.
Probably because somer is actually a cfc rmt front for the mittani
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
146
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:24:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Xtreem wrote:If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent. Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either. Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style. Fox news twists stories and interviews to make the American government look good with little to no evidence at all. TMC may skew their articles to make the CFC look good at times, but at least they provide things like screen shots and chat logs with some of their articles. That and the fact that their article on this defies the overall governing authority of eve (the devs) instead of skewing it to make CCP look good is enough to differ them from fox news. Lets face it. Love or hate TMC, without it we would be stuck with things like evenews 24 or kugutsumen. EN24 would try to find a way to blame goons somehow. Probably because somer is actually a cfc rmt front for the mittani
TBF it normally is goons... it is quite unusual in the scheme of things that it is neither goons or BOB causing this.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4726
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:34:00 -
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Xtreem wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Xtreem wrote:If I was CSM I would be PISSED over the lack of communications from CCP over all this, any reasonable company that got called on the big givaway would have come clean and "oh actually we gave away 30 of them in Aug"
But they did not, CSM try their best but with CCP treating them as a joke means they can't be effective no matter how honest their intent. Ishokone Scorpions were nothing to do with the 'big giveaway' so why would they come up. They already announced a while back they were being used as community give aways, and as has been pointed out they aren't the only group that has gotten them either. Am I entirely happy with this news. Of course not. But at the same time, this isn't a scandal of any worthy note. It's TMC trying to make news Fox style. Fox news twists stories and interviews to make the American government look good with little to no evidence at all. TMC may skew their articles to make the CFC look good at times, but at least they provide things like screen shots and chat logs with some of their articles. That and the fact that their article on this defies the overall governing authority of eve (the devs) instead of skewing it to make CCP look good is enough to differ them from fox news. Lets face it. Love or hate TMC, without it we would be stuck with things like evenews 24 or kugutsumen. EN24 would try to find a way to blame goons somehow. Probably because somer is actually a cfc rmt front for the mittani TBF it normally is goons... it is quite unusual in the scheme of things that it is neither goons or BOB causing this. You missed some of the earlier posts, they would have told you that apparently this somer person annoyed the mittani who then invented a scandal to bring them down There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11983
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:51:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:This is a Ripard Teg callout thread: We voted for you to talk sense into CCP, let them know the players thoughts and feeings about development and keep them from doing dumb things. Not to white knight the dumbest thing they have done since Incarna. Come on now, this is barely the 10th dumbest thing since Incarna. Actually I don't think it's even in the top 10. what are the top 10, then? not questioning your judgement, i just want something to read until the sports comes on later.
Most of them are NDA'd, alas.
Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.
And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1595
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:01:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one. And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month) You don't see the huge ISK value as an issue? I think things such as free gametime are fine rewards to give to community types, but stuff worth a lot of ISK isn't. Also, I feel the main issue with the Jester blog is the dismissal of people's concerns. I mean, yeah, the shitstorm's a bit much at the moment, and some people may indeed be upset because they're not getting scorps themselves, but neither of those is a reason to say the concern of the community is not valid. Ripard's post was a fallacy and deserving of criticism, despite other contributions he's made to CSM |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11985
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:18:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Malcanis wrote:Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one. And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month) You don't see the huge ISK value as an issue? I think things such as free gametime are fine rewards to give to community types, but stuff worth a lot of ISK isn't. Also, I feel the main issue with the Jester blog is the dismissal of people's concerns. I mean, yeah, the shitstorm's a bit much at the moment, and some people may indeed be upset because they're not getting scorps themselves, but neither of those is a reason to say the concern of the community is not valid. Ripard's post was a fallacy and deserving of criticism, despite other contributions he's made to CSM
No I don't see the "huge" ISK value as much of an issue. For the following reasons:
1) The Somer people have more ISK than they know what to do with. The ISK value of this award is meaningless to them.
2) And that ISK value is pretty hypothetical. And it's based purely on the rarity of the Ishscorps given out so far. Note that so far. CCP have said outright that they've given these out before and they're going to be given out again. The mere fact of giving out another 30 has significantly reduced the rarity of these ships.
In fact I think that giving gametime to Somer would be much less appropriate than the Ishscorps. That really would be a straight up money gift, rather than what amounts to a set of harmless souveniers.
1 Kings 12:11
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