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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:25:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:sadly maclanis is neither correct, nor with us.
which is a shame. then again, since malcanis seems to have missed the point by a country mile it's hard to judge if he's right or not. What baffles me a bit is the obvious disconnection with the people. Seriously, we don't need reallife politician behaviour here.
A fair amount of people display their concern and although i personally don't care about the issue per se, the peoples voice is what counts. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
183
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:31:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Guttripper wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Is he a puppet, or is he doing this of his own free-but-misguided will? Is he flying a BlinkScorp right now? Probably could not answer directly without invoking the NDA stance... Oooh I get it In the future all hidden giveaways come with an NDA, that will prevent such scandal from occurring again
That's the lesson CCP learned from T20: they needed a CSM covered by NDAs to operate as a shield/damage control when they start favoring certain in game corporations over others.
I wonder if other players can even shoot these BlinkScorps, or if there is a hidden "fourth" level of safety that says "offensive actions against this ship are prohibited, because of NDA."
ACTUALLY, I think we finally have a good replacement for "because of Falcon . . ."
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
183
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:32:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:also how would i know, they've given out secretly
Because of NDA
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4760
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:32:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Kate stark wrote:sadly maclanis is neither correct, nor with us.
which is a shame. then again, since malcanis seems to have missed the point by a country mile it's hard to judge if he's right or not. What baffles me a bit is the obvious disconnection with the people. Seriously, we don't need reallife politician behaviour here. A fair amount of people display their concern and although i personally don't care about the issue per se, the peoples voice is what counts. But equality does not seem to take the same form in acts of justice and in friendship; for in acts of justice what is equal in the primary sense is that which is in proportion to merit, while quantitative equality is secondary, but in friendship quantitative equality is primary and proportion to merit secondary. This becomes clear if there is a great interval in respect of virtue or vice or wealth or anything else between the parties; for then they are no longer friends, and do not even expect to be so. And this is most manifest in the case of the gods; for they surpass us most decisively in all good things. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4760
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:33:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:also how would i know, they've given out secretly Because of NDA It's like a falcon jamming up the ability to transfer capacitor information. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4760
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:34:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Guttripper wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Is he a puppet, or is he doing this of his own free-but-misguided will? Is he flying a BlinkScorp right now? Probably could not answer directly without invoking the NDA stance... Oooh I get it In the future all hidden giveaways come with an NDA, that will prevent such scandal from occurring again That's the lesson CCP learned from T20: they needed a CSM covered by NDAs to operate as a shield/damage control when they start favoring certain in game corporations over others. I wonder if other players can even shoot these BlinkScorps, or if there is a hidden "fourth" level of safety that says "offensive actions against this ship are prohibited, because of NDA." ACTUALLY, I think we finally have a good replacement for "because of Falcon . . ." Well next time they'll keep themselves safe with generous use the giveaway-NDA combo. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
629
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:59:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Guttripper wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Is he a puppet, or is he doing this of his own free-but-misguided will? Is he flying a BlinkScorp right now? Probably could not answer directly without invoking the NDA stance... Oooh I get it In the future all hidden giveaways come with an NDA, that will prevent such scandal from occurring again
Well, you see, the recipient requested the NDA, which is their right.
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Mana Potion
A Different Kind of Gaming Community Vanguard.
12
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:37:00 -
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Haters gonna hate. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
90
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:38:00 -
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Yep, CSM must really hate people, who venture to be not satisfied with CCP. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Kate stark wrote:sadly maclanis is neither correct, nor with us.
which is a shame. then again, since malcanis seems to have missed the point by a country mile it's hard to judge if he's right or not. What baffles me a bit is the obvious disconnection with the people. Seriously, we don't need reallife politician behaviour here. A fair amount of people display their concern and although i personally don't care about the issue per se, the peoples voice is what counts. But equality does not seem to take the same form in acts of justice and in friendship; for in acts of justice what is equal in the primary sense is that which is in proportion to merit, while quantitative equality is secondary, but in friendship quantitative equality is primary and proportion to merit secondary. This becomes clear if there is a great interval in respect of virtue or vice or wealth or anything else between the parties; for then they are no longer friends, and do not even expect to be so. And this is most manifest in the case of the gods; for they surpass us most decisively in all good things. My english isn't good enough to comprehend ...
I understand the words, but i can't grasp the meaning. (and i'm not too proud to admit that) |
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Rob Crowley
State War Academy
220
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:54:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:As I understand it, the receipients themselves asked for the gift not to be publicised. Which is I think their right. Oh right, it is every Eve player's god-given right to be presented with insider trading possibilities by CCP, how could I forget? Cause after all, what fun are gifts of favouritism really if you can't do a bit of insider trading with them? |
Kate stark
385
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:02:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:at least the CSM isn't just ripard, ripard, and more ripard. there are some sensible folk on there.
upon reflection, due to malcanis' comments. i fear, i might have been incorrect. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
221
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:17:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Kate stark wrote:at least the CSM isn't just ripard, ripard, and more ripard. there are some sensible folk on there. upon reflection, due to malcanis' comments. i fear, i might have been incorrect. I think I've seen much more sensible comments on the issue from Trebor and I believe mynnna. And while Ripard's first comment basically dismissing all opposers as jealous whiners was a bit insulting I've not fully given up on him yet. Malcanis on the other hand seems to be in full denial mode, ignoring all arguments and making up stranger justifications with every post. No idea what got into him, I usually agree with him on most stuff. |
Kate stark
390
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:20:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote:Kate stark wrote:Kate stark wrote:at least the CSM isn't just ripard, ripard, and more ripard. there are some sensible folk on there. upon reflection, due to malcanis' comments. i fear, i might have been incorrect. I think I've seen much more sensible comments on the issue from Trebor and I believe mynnna. And while Ripard's first comment basically dismissing all opposers as jealous whiners was a bit insulting I've not fully given up on him yet. Malcanis on the other hand seems to be in full denial mode, ignoring all arguments and making up stranger justifications with every post. No idea what got into him, I usually agree with him on most stuff.
i know, malcanis' reply has shocked me. i, too, have usually agreed with most of what he has to say and as a person i like him.
i've not seen trebor's comments on the subject and all i've seen from mynnna is a tweet to funkybacon's comments on the subject (which are deffo worth reading).
would be nice if CCP were to say something, then again if they're going to follow suit it'll be something completely irrelevant that misses the point and they may as well not have bothered... sigh. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2413
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:47:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Alpheias wrote: Beside the point, if you know you can't handle alcohol, then you really shouldn't been drinking.
it's not beside the point. your entire statement was basically "look at mittens, he's not normal because of what happened at fanfest" when in fact, what happened at fanfest wasn't abnormal at all.
I think the whole point of fanfest is go someplace remote and show your extreme excitement of this space game with all your space friends. In that environment excess of excitement and celebration should be expected. Fanfest is the only place I've ever been where a beer with breakfast seemed to make sense.
If you dissect the Mittani incident I think you could almost see it coming. The alliance panel is all about topping the other presenters. Darius had set a very high bar for outrageous presentations previously and lets face it, the goons all spawn from the something awful DNA pool. So drunken stupidity was almost certain.
My complaint would have been CCP had reviewed the slides previously and should have stepped in to make sure it didn't play out the way it did.
As for mittens, no one can deny he was very effective and bringing positive change to the CSM and to Eve in general. As for his banning from the CSM for that one term, that was I think the correct course of action (I had really looked forward to working with him so I was sad at that reality) but if he wanted to be back in the CSM I'd support him.
At this point I think he may have moved past that and has other things he'd rather do.
So I agree that nothing abnormal happened at fanfast, in fact it was very normal for fanfest!
Issler |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
638
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:54:00 -
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He definitely created content! Maybe he should get a Ishukone Watch Scorpion. I'm sure he doesn't need it, either. I think a live demonstration of the pitfalls of binge drinking does more good for the community than encouraging and exploiting gambling addiction. |
Orakkus
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
193
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:56:00 -
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I have read much of what has been written here about the situation.
To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.
This is not an issue. This is not even bad.
Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this. He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4769
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:03:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Rob Crowley wrote:Kate stark wrote:Kate stark wrote:at least the CSM isn't just ripard, ripard, and more ripard. there are some sensible folk on there. upon reflection, due to malcanis' comments. i fear, i might have been incorrect. I think I've seen much more sensible comments on the issue from Trebor and I believe mynnna. And while Ripard's first comment basically dismissing all opposers as jealous whiners was a bit insulting I've not fully given up on him yet. Malcanis on the other hand seems to be in full denial mode, ignoring all arguments and making up stranger justifications with every post. No idea what got into him, I usually agree with him on most stuff. i know, malcanis' reply has shocked me. i, too, have usually agreed with most of what he has to say and as a person i like him. i've not seen trebor's comments on the subject and all i've seen from mynnna is a tweet to funkybacon's comments on the subject (which are deffo worth reading). would be nice if CCP were to say something, then again if they're going to follow suit it'll be something completely irrelevant that misses the point and they may as well not have bothered... sigh. it refines to 1 tritanium, what are you so worked up about
ccp's response (scroll down to the update at the bottom of the article) There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kate stark
391
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:06:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:I have read much of what has been written here about the situation.
To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.
This is not an issue. This is not even bad.
Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this.
so you're perfectly fine with CCP giving any one they want, anything they want, at any time they want, without a word? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
783
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:That actually was a scandal. It was scandalous. This is merely people making hay out of a legit, generous but somewhat clumsily executed gesture. I don't really buy that any more. All the excuses given for this idiocy are applicable to T20 as wellGǪ except that the T20 hand-out was a lot less generous than this one.
Wait, what? So it's more scandalous to give out hangar queens that you have specifically announced you were going to give out for the reasons that you have, and whose (entirely hypothetical) ISK value will diminish as more and more are given out, than it is to hand out eternal ISK-printing machines that produce ships that people would actually want to purchase and fly (and lose, thereby assuring that the BPO is eternally lucrative)?
C'mon, you're better than that. These are not BPOs. They're not limited-edition ships like Gold Magnates. They're tokens that the recipients will occasionally Make Active and spin in their hangars. CCP doesn't have to make big public announcements about them because they're just not that big a deal. If anyone who has one wants to undock in a Scorpion, they'll pick up the vanilla model cheap, and then they'll have a more powerful ship that they won't sweat losing. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
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Kate stark
391
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:07:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Kate stark wrote:Rob Crowley wrote:Kate stark wrote:Kate stark wrote:at least the CSM isn't just ripard, ripard, and more ripard. there are some sensible folk on there. upon reflection, due to malcanis' comments. i fear, i might have been incorrect. I think I've seen much more sensible comments on the issue from Trebor and I believe mynnna. And while Ripard's first comment basically dismissing all opposers as jealous whiners was a bit insulting I've not fully given up on him yet. Malcanis on the other hand seems to be in full denial mode, ignoring all arguments and making up stranger justifications with every post. No idea what got into him, I usually agree with him on most stuff. i know, malcanis' reply has shocked me. i, too, have usually agreed with most of what he has to say and as a person i like him. i've not seen trebor's comments on the subject and all i've seen from mynnna is a tweet to funkybacon's comments on the subject (which are deffo worth reading). would be nice if CCP were to say something, then again if they're going to follow suit it'll be something completely irrelevant that misses the point and they may as well not have bothered... sigh. it refines to 1 tritanium, what are you so worked up about ccp's response (scroll down to the update at the bottom of the article)
i've already seen that.
i laughed. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:33:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Ripard is a joke of a CSM. Wha? I disagree with his stance on this fiasco, but if you think he's a joke then you haven't been paying attention to all the other good things he has brought to this CSM cycle. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
91
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:36:00 -
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Swidgen wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Ripard is a joke of a CSM. Wha? I disagree with his stance on this fiasco, but if you think he's a joke then you haven't been paying attention to all the other good things he has brought to this CSM cycle.
You mean all the things he can-¦t tell because of NDA? |
Kate stark
391
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:42:00 -
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Bronco Platz wrote:Swidgen wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Ripard is a joke of a CSM. Wha? I disagree with his stance on this fiasco, but if you think he's a joke then you haven't been paying attention to all the other good things he has brought to this CSM cycle. You mean all the things he can-¦t tell because of NDA?
but warp acceleration Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Tasha Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:48:00 -
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Lol at what an ignorant thread |
Orakkus
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
194
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:55:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:
so you're perfectly fine with CCP giving any one they want, anything they want, at any time they want, without a word?
That isn't what we are really talking about, is it?
All that was given were some rare ships that were only considered rare because of their rarity, not because of any special use that they might have. No one would fly one into battle except on a lark, and if they did no one would notice it until after it died, on the killmail.
Second, it IS their game, like it or not. But as such, it is in their discretion to gift certain organizations with awards if they wish. In fact, in many instances it is a smart move to keep things on a positive note. I will not begrudge CCP for wanting to show certain very successful Eve-related sites that they appreciate their efforts.
Now, if they had gifted them Ishukone Watch Scorp BPOs then yes, I would be rioting right with you. But no, this isn't a serious issue. In fact, it was a smart, cordial move on the part of CCP and to think otherwise is a bit daft. He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
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Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
543
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:01:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:I have read much of what has been written here about the situation.
To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.
This is not an issue. This is not even bad.
Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this.
Confirming that when the local mafia hands out a bunch of turkeys at thanksgiving, it's good they are giving(back) to the community. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
Kate stark
391
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:03:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:Kate stark wrote:
so you're perfectly fine with CCP giving any one they want, anything they want, at any time they want, without a word?
That isn't what we are really talking about, is it?
erm, yes, it is. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Roxwar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
127
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
1) CCP have been giving special award ships for a long, long time. Why is it suddenly a problem now
Because they tried keeping it quiet, and anybody trying to keep something quiet implies they KNOW what they're doing will cause issues should the player base find out. This happened, yet you still seem to be missing the point by a country mile.
Malcanis wrote:
2) I can't be bothered to talk to naive children.
Malcanis wrote:
Whatever. I'm done talking about this.
I'd define irony for you, but you come across as somebody who see's themselves as superior to us mortals, so i'd be wasting my time.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:14:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Orakkus wrote:I have read much of what has been written here about the situation.
To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.
This is not an issue. This is not even bad.
Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this. Confirming that when the local mafia hands out a bunch of turkeys at thanksgiving, it's good they are giving(back) to the community.
??? Yea, it is good. It's totally seperate from what they do that hurts people.
I've actually participated in such events (gangs or course, not mafia), it was usually the start of that group trying to go straight, sometimes it works. |
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