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Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:35:00 -
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i am not looking for symapthy nor am i crying over the loss of my ship.
recently i lost my drake, normally i play in high sec exploring and missions just lately i have been looking in low sec exploring etc. anyway i jumped into a sector yesterday ( not the first time). only this time i got jumpe by a ferox, harbinger and cynabal. needless to say i got wiped out. the fight did not last very long and this is where i need some help, during missions my drake has seemed fairly well tanked, theses 3 pilots made my drake look like a glass dildo and smashed it in no time at all. my dps was 412 with drones, i was only using t1 scourge missiles as i was in the process of moving the ship, and not actually running anything with it.
here is a link to the loss etc, killboards has not update with the kill yet hence this one below.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19904951
so my dilema is how should i have fitted this ship in order to survive longer and deal more damage? should i even use a drake as a solo account and mainly solo player should i perhaps consider using something smaller cheaper until i know what i am doing :) maybe a caracal?
any advice appreciated.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1197
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:47:00 -
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You don't fit that ship for PvP. The drake is awful. You can only get it up to a barely passable DPS by nuking it's tank, or you can go heavy tank and people will outregen your damage.
Caldari aren't really too great outside of group combat. If you are looking to PvP in a T1 BC, you'd be better off in a hurricane.
Personally for roaming around low I'd go with a T1 cruiser or a pirate faction cruiser though. If you get caught solo by a group like that, and you can't get away you are still dead but it would do better in 1v1. I like the omen for a nice cheap ship with a good output. I'm not sure if I'd consider any of the caldari ships for solo PvP. The frigates are pretty nice but above them I'd move to a different race. I'm pretty sure AFK players can kill drakes in low sec. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Tao Dolcino
Radio Silence Inc.
197
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:47:00 -
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Imho, it's not that much a problem of which ship/fit, but more about how to avoid problems. Of course, i know that no one can be 100% safe in low sec, and happily, but there are ways to reduce the risk : Have you, before to jump into the next solar system, checked your map to see where have been some ships destroyed in the last hour, for example ? Have you checked who was in local ? have you used your Dscan ? if it's a region you go often in, have you marked some personal bookmarks away from every objects in the system ? Some at 200-300km from the gates ? Some directly aligned when you undock the local stations ? Etc etc... I think that is more important than what you fit. And anyway, if you get ganked, usually, it's already too late : they attack you because they know that they will win. More tank is a marginal factor in this case. Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
152
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:50:00 -
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yeah start with somewhat smaller , i prefer a blaster ferox over a drake also.
with example a caracal you could go to medium fw plexes , where you have a better change of a fair fight.
also loosing smaller ships doesnt hurt isk wise as much The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
117
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:07:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:Imho, it's not that much a problem of which ship/fit, but more about how to avoid problems. Of course, i know that no one can be 100% safe in low sec, and happily, but there are ways to reduce the risk : Have you, before to jump into the next solar system, checked your map to see where have been some ships destroyed in the last hour, for example ? Have you checked who was in local ? have you used your Dscan ? if it's a region you go often in, have you marked some personal bookmarks away from every objects in the system ? Some at 200-300km from the gates ? Some directly aligned when you undock the local stations ? Etc etc... I think that is more important than what you fit. And anyway, if you get ganked, usually, it's already too late : they attack you because they know that they will win. More tank is a marginal factor in this case.
i have the area mapped out and safe spots are created, yes i do check the map etc for activity.
so what about a fit for the omen or hurricane to give an idea of where to start? i have already started to cross train other weapon's what would be the ideal type to use in a solo case like mine? rail's blaster's pulse. At 53 my brain is not as quick as it used to be, it's like a dripping tap :)
cheers
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Ogopogo Mu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:39:00 -
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You were attacked after a gate jump by 3 ships in roughly your class and lost. No surprise there. The one thing that stands out here is that you have no propmod, which may have allowed you to gatecrash, and if your opponents were dumb and all aggressed, you may have escaped. If not, you may have escaped on the other side, or at least carried the pursuer far off gate, where you may have forced him to drop point or killed him before the other two could re-engage.
Yeah that's a lot of may in there, but it probably would have been more fun. |
Krimishkev
The Revolutionaries
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:55:00 -
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Ogopogo Mu wrote:... one thing that stands out here is that you have no propmod, which may have allowed you to gatecrash...
Drakes dont gatecrash brah.
OP, Hit me up in game with a mail, I'll send you a drake good for pvp. Don't naysay the drake people. Either you dont know how to fit it for pvp, or you're just dumb. Granted, a Drake has its place in pvp, its not the best ship in every situation, but in a 1v1 a HAM drake with the right fitting will maul most anything (except possible a myrmidon or other repping ship with lots of cap boosters). You can easily chase most nano ships away. Frigates you got something to worry about, but they wont aggress you on a gate in low-sec.
Mail/Convo me, I'll help you.
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Ogopogo Mu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:58:00 -
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You can gatecrash pretty slowly, with a big enough buffer and some luck on your overheated MWD cycle.
Like I said, a lotta may in there. |
Krimishkev
The Revolutionaries
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:01:00 -
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Ogopogo Mu wrote:You can gatecrash pretty slowly, with a big enough buffer and some luck on your overheated MWD cycle.
Like I said, a lotta may in there.
Some truth here. Though its a stretttttttccccchhhh.
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Ogopogo Mu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:11:00 -
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Krimishkev wrote:Ogopogo Mu wrote:You can gatecrash pretty slowly, with a big enough buffer and some luck on your overheated MWD cycle.
Like I said, a lotta may in there. Some truth here. Though its a stretttttttccccchhhh.
I've done it. It does require enemies making mistakes, but so does a lot of maneuvering.
OP asked what he could have done with his fit to do better in this situation. Based on his description of events I think a crash/separation attempt would have been his best bet in an HML buffer drake.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
364
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:15:00 -
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Ok, so there's some advice in here, some good, some bad, gotta say I mostly skimmed it.
Here's the **DISCLAIMER**rough, guerilla-style, numbers pulled out of my ass but should be pretty close**DISCLAIMER** math on why you died.
Ferox (blasters) = ~800 dps Cynabal (auto) = ~500 dps Harbinger (armour) = ~500 dps
That's 1800 combined dps before resistances.
Your tank has resistances, and buffer, but even factoring those in, recharges perhaps 200 dps at peak with good skills. So you can see, 200 can hardly stand up to 1800. The amount of EHP you have may have given you enough time to get back to the gate, but with no propulsion mod, you pretty much guaranteed your own death.
Travelling requires a different mindset than fighting, you understand that, if a little misguided (what do t1 missiles have to do with travel fit???). If you are going to be travelling in low-sec regularly, consider learning/fitting for mwd-cloak trick. Practice until you get the hang of the trick, and you should never be caught in low-sec ever again. Unless you want to be. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
398
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:32:00 -
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I wouldn't expect my solo bc to survive being attacked by 2 bc's and a cruiser no matter which one I was flying. If you are traveling, not wanting to fight on the way, and can dock at a station when you get there:
Fit the lows with warp stabs and put what would have gone there in your cargo hold Fit the biggest prop mod you have so you can burn back to gate if necessary Fit the biggest buffer tank you can If you can use them, bring ECM drones just for fun Fit a cloak Consider getting a friend in a cheap ship to scout the gates, or train an alt to do it it.
Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
117
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:37:00 -
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so basically wrong ship for solo activity in a low sec area especially when paired with a high sec player :) thanks for the heads up on where i was failing. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate Hashashin Cartel
398
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:00:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:so basically wrong ship for solo activity in a low sec area especially when paired with a high sec player :) thanks for the heads up on where i was failing.
It's not the "wrong" ship. The only failure, which really isn't a failure, was jumping into 3 guys waiting to kill whatever came through the gate next. You would have died in most ships in that situation. For example, getting a Hurricane won't prevent that exact same thing from happening again.
The best thing to do if you want to explore null/low in a "solo" fashion is to get an alt to scout for you. If you like to keep it real and use only 1 account, you're going to run into gate camps from time to time. Not a big deal, just the way it is. I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
127
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:05:00 -
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The only way to survive 3vs1 is to not be there when they finally lock on. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ˝ ...end transmission... |
Stoogie
Space Pygmies
120
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:57:00 -
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One thing I want to add to this is I love your attitude about it. Get killed and rather than complain he comes to the forums and asks how do I do it better next time. That good sir is a wonderful attitude. Maybe think about Eve uni or Rvb even on an alt to get some hands on help. |
Ogopogo Mu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:32:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:so basically wrong ship for solo activity in a low sec area especially when paired with a high sec player :) thanks for the heads up on where i was failing.
Well you have a few kills in your record and some not-awful losses, so you're ahead of a vast majority of "high sec players." Also, losing != failing.
Quote:is there away to see how thier ships were fit via killboards or something?
Not really. You can check their losses and see if they lost the same hulls recently and try to infer from those. From the KM the Ferox was rail-fit, Harbingers are almost always T2 pulse, and Cynabals are optimized for kitey fly-away long-falloff autocannon use, so it's a fair bet they were all operating in medium range. You can check your combat log from this date and time to know what weapons they were firing at you.
Quote:so what about a fit for the omen or hurricane to give an idea of where to start?
As for ship types, here's nothing inherently wrong with a Drake, just as there's nothing about an Omen or Cane that would have saved you in this particular situation. The primary thing is the lack of a prop. You can get a lot of semi-decent, and always conflicting, fit recommendations on the forums, from your corp mates, or by looking up the lossmails of successful solo PvPers.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3485
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:37:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:i am not looking for symapthy nor am i crying over the loss of my ship. recently i lost my drake, normally i play in high sec exploring and missions just lately i have been looking in low sec exploring etc. anyway i jumped into a sector yesterday ( not the first time). only this time i got jumpe by a ferox, harbinger and cynabal. needless to say i got wiped out. the fight did not last very long and this is where i need some help, during missions my drake has seemed fairly well tanked, theses 3 pilots made my drake look like a glass dildo and smashed it in no time at all. my dps was 412 with drones, i was only using t1 scourge missiles as i was in the process of moving the ship, and not actually running anything with it. here is a link to the loss etc, killboards has not update with the kill yet hence this one below. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19904951so my dilema is how should i have fitted this ship in order to survive longer and deal more damage? should i even use a drake as a solo account and mainly solo player should i perhaps consider using something smaller cheaper until i know what i am doing :) maybe a caracal? any advice appreciated.
You see how the OP described the gank? This is the kind of person you want at parties. Or better, in your comedy troupe.
Pro Tip to the OP:
Nothing survives a gate camp unless specifically equipped to do so - and that would be a travel fit. Since only BS hulls can fit micro jump and target lock breaker, you didn't stand a chance without an all-tank mid rack and a low rack full of stabs. |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
118
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:54:00 -
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once again thanks for all the comments, lots to learn lots to practise., probably lots to loose to as long as i don't loose my dignity and crap myself too lol |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
119
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:09:00 -
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rather than open a new thread, i'll use this one as it's related anyway's. As i am caldari most of my skill points lie in missiles, i do have some in gunnery which i am begining to train deeper into now. taking low sec and pvp into consideration paired with my experience which type of gunnery weapon system would i be better off training into first? autocannon/projectiles/lpulse/beam, obviously i will train into them all but for now which would be the most versatile for a character like myself? not sure if it makes a difference but lets keep it in line with frigates and cruiser size ships
thanks |
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
222
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:27:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:rather than open a new thread, i'll use this one as it's related anyway's. As i am caldari most of my skill points lie in missiles, i do have some in gunnery which i am begining to train deeper into now. taking low sec and pvp into consideration paired with my experience which type of gunnery weapon system would i be better off training into first? autocannon/projectiles/lpulse/beam, obviously i will train into them all but for now which would be the most versatile for a character like myself? not sure if it makes a difference but lets keep it in line with frigates and cruiser size ships
thanks
The type of weapon you want to train for depends on the ships you plan to fly. Just make sure the damage/rof bonus of the ship matches the guns you're using. Most likely you're gonna want to train for the short range weapons first because they deal more damage and they can actually hit a target at close range.
So that would be either autocannons, blasters or pulse lasers. Autocannons have a good choice of damage types, they also have decent range although the damage drops quite a bit the further away you shoot. Blasters have the best raw damage potential. They also have the worst range and you have to stick with thermal/kinetic damage pretty much. Pulse lasers have decent damage and an excellent choice of range with different ammo types but they also lack choice of damage types (it's mostly EM and thermal) and they take a relatively large amount of capacitor to use.
Actually you might want to go with blasters/rails since you already have skillpoint in caldari. Some caldari ships get bonuses (or bonii, I just dislike that word as it sounds like "bovine") to hybrid turrets.
Hope that helps, even a bit. +1 to OP for "glass dildo" |
Decian Cor
The Tall Order Angeli Mortis
1
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:29:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:which would be the most versatile for a character like myself? not sure if it makes a difference but lets keep it in line with frigates and cruiser size ships
thanks
Projectiles offer the most versatility in my opinion. You have tons of different types of ammunition that you can adjust for different resistances and situations. **EDIT: Projectile cannons also use no capacitor, so that really helps.** The only drawback is they have a 10 second reloading time when your charges run out, which can make or break a close 1v1 engagement.
They aren't terribly different from hybrid weapons either, so if you become familiar with one, the other will be easy as well. "There is no good and evil. There is only power, and those too weak to seek it." |
Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas Beyond All Bounds
38
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:32:00 -
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I'd go somewhere along the way of minmatar boats. You already got shields going for you from being caldari, which goes well with minmatar tank wise, and projectiles give you a lot of versatility on how to engage targets, mainly range wise. And then minmatar hulls are quite fast so more likely to control range and thus optimal on engagements.
Circumstances play the biggest part tho. Will you be solo, in fleet, them solo, them in fleet, what does it consist of.
Solo I favor mobility, wont be able to engage it all, but you'll live longer to find the ones that you can pop. Generally I favor it as well if you are new to the thing. Allows you to get a good grasp of things.
Generally tho I think it is recommended to go with what you like the most and make it work for you in your own way. Experiment.
But Cane, Rupture, Stabber, Wolf, any of that sort, good to start out with. Cheap easy to replace. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
120
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:36:00 -
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i will be most likely solo, funnily enough i was looking at the rupture last night, what would be a good starting fit for a rupture?
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
160
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:59:00 -
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The drake is great for low sec sites and soloing c1/2 wh's. it can get a good tank , reasonable dps and is cheap to replace making losing it not a major time setback in isk generation. i use an alt to scout low sec gates though unless it is a low traffic area. i think a damage control instead of the coprocessor and taking out the drone control unit makes sense. You have 4 modules that affect em resist. the 4th one has much less impact due to diminishing returns. for low sec i always have a MWD fit. for wh's i always have an AB fit. for pve i prefer purger rigs. for pvp i prefer extender rigs. for pve i prefer HM with precisions for killing wh frigs (outside of wh's my drones kill all the frigs so not important.) for pvp HAM drake is the only way. for pvp you need a point, web and mwd. none of those are really optional on a ham drake.
most ships can be fit for pvp or pve but rarely at the same time and trying to do so causes them to be bad at both. if you are there to pve then fit for pve but replace all your lows with warp core stabilisers until u reach your destination where u can dock up and refit (new deployable structure will soon make this even easier.) this way u can just warp out of camps (not in null if they bubble you though)
for usage of your missile skills ravens are great for missioning as well as the pirate /t2 missile BS. some people are use ravens /phoons in large fleet pvp but i wouldn't advise using them outside of large fleets in pvp. hawks are great assault frigs and can fit an amazing tank although dps is not as good as some other AF's. caracal either HAM fit or rapid light fit is a nice PVP ship and with RLML will shock and awe T2 frigs that make the mistake of thinking u are an easy target. RLML cerberus is very very nice. stealth bombers of all races are awesome and all use torps.
despite the above outside missions , wh sites and plexes turrets are just better |
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:56:00 -
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Stoogie wrote:One thing I want to add to this is I love your attitude about it. Get killed and rather than complain he comes to the forums and asks how do I do it better next time. That good sir is a wonderful attitude. Maybe think about Eve uni or Rvb even on an alt to get some hands on help.
Indeed.
And he is 53, not that old as he think he is, IMHO. That attitude got him lots of good advice in GD!
@Mr Chili Palmer, props! I would consider taking your quests to other forum just because GD is, hmmm... read my signature, but since you have guts to go solo roaming low sec in a Drake, being ganked and having that behavior, maybe you will not mind if someone comes and say something like: "May I have your stuff?" or "STFU noob!".
Have fun, and fly safe. If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
121
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:08:00 -
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Bloody Slave wrote:Stoogie wrote:One thing I want to add to this is I love your attitude about it. Get killed and rather than complain he comes to the forums and asks how do I do it better next time. That good sir is a wonderful attitude. Maybe think about Eve uni or Rvb even on an alt to get some hands on help. Indeed. And he is 53, not that old as he think he is, IMHO. That attitude got him lots of good advice in GD! @Mr Chili Palmer, props! I would consider taking your quests to other forum just because GD is, hmmm... read my signature, but since you have guts to go solo roaming low sec in a Drake, being ganked and having that behavior, maybe you will not mind if someone comes and say something like: "May I have your stuff?" or "STFU noob!". Have fun, and fly safe.
thank you for the tip re "GD" up to now the thread has been very constructive and am a little bit wiser for it am pretty sure now i have said that some "hollow head" will come along and spoil it all .....sod's law ain't it |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
128
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:28:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:i will be most likely solo, funnily enough i was looking at the rupture last night, what would be a good starting fit for a rupture?
I can't give you specific ship advice other than:
Try out stuff and then, Fly What You Love.
My favorite AllSec ship is a hard candy shell around soft melty chocolate inside that rarely survives a head on PvP fight but I love it and she flies like the wind.
PvP is what you make of it. Do you want to blow them up, or merely keep your loot? I consider them both wins. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ˝ ...end transmission... |
Careby
Careby Exploration
32
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:11:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:i am not looking for symapthy nor am i crying over the loss of my ship.
I'm sending you some isk to buy another ship. It isn't sympathy or charity, it's that I am not currently having much fun in EVE and I think you'd enjoy a new ship more than I would right now.
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Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
122
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:04:00 -
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Careby wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:i am not looking for symapthy nor am i crying over the loss of my ship. I'm sending you some isk to buy another ship. It isn't sympathy or charity, it's that I am not currently having much fun in EVE and I think you'd enjoy a new ship more than I would right now.
Many thanks for your kindness |
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