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Acidius
Dead Fantasy
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:24:00 -
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Am I foolish for wanting to do a 1 Man Corp POS?
All the labs are taken...and I feel like this is the only way to mess with Indy... |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2131
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:27:00 -
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*shrug* I currently have 3 large POS.
As for research, there are many people that do it free or for a fee.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2911218#post2911218 |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:28:00 -
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Acidius wrote:Am I foolish for wanting to do a 1 Man Corp POS?
All the labs are taken...and I feel like this is the only way to mess with Indy...
From what I can see, yes people can do it.
But often it can only really be done by massive industrialists who are making billions every month or so. Otherwise the cost of even a small POS can't be handled by one person. |
Acidius
Dead Fantasy
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:30:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:*shrug* I currently have 3 large POS.
As for research, there are many people that do it free or for a fee.
Sweet! Good to hear its working out for you!
Any tips? Besides fuel and defense?
Can I drop a POS in .9? Or is .7 the highest I can drop a POS? |
Acidius
Dead Fantasy
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:32:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Acidius wrote:Am I foolish for wanting to do a 1 Man Corp POS?
All the labs are taken...and I feel like this is the only way to mess with Indy... From what I can see, yes people can do it. But often it can only really be done by massive industrialists who are making billions every month or so. Otherwise the cost of even a small POS can't be handled by one person.
No billions here...so I am forced to join a Corp that has POS slots open for someone who just wants to try indy? :( |
J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
2381
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:46:00 -
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Acidius wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:*shrug* I currently have 3 large POS.
As for research, there are many people that do it free or for a fee. Sweet! Good to hear its working out for you! Any tips? Besides fuel and defense? Can I drop a POS in .9? Or is .7 the highest I can drop a POS?
0.7 is the maximum. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
2381
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:47:00 -
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Acidius wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Acidius wrote:Am I foolish for wanting to do a 1 Man Corp POS?
All the labs are taken...and I feel like this is the only way to mess with Indy... From what I can see, yes people can do it. But often it can only really be done by massive industrialists who are making billions every month or so. Otherwise the cost of even a small POS can't be handled by one person. No billions here...so I am forced to join a Corp that has POS slots open for someone who just wants to try indy? :(
Billions is a bit exaggerated, but you do need to take into account that running a POS cost a fair bit of ISK each month. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
675
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:47:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Acidius wrote:Am I foolish for wanting to do a 1 Man Corp POS?
All the labs are taken...and I feel like this is the only way to mess with Indy... From what I can see, yes people can do it. But often it can only really be done by massive industrialists who are making billions every month or so. Otherwise the cost of even a small POS can't be handled by one person.
A small POS is about 130M per month in fuel.
If that can be handled by one person is up to that person.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Kyseth
Touring New Eden
2182
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:48:00 -
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Acidius wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:*shrug* I currently have 3 large POS.
As for research, there are many people that do it free or for a fee. Sweet! Good to hear its working out for you! Any tips? Besides fuel and defense? Can I drop a POS in .9? Or is .7 the highest I can drop a POS?
0.7 or lower. And here, read this. |
Acidius
Dead Fantasy
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:49:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Acidius wrote:Am I foolish for wanting to do a 1 Man Corp POS?
All the labs are taken...and I feel like this is the only way to mess with Indy... From what I can see, yes people can do it. But often it can only really be done by massive industrialists who are making billions every month or so. Otherwise the cost of even a small POS can't be handled by one person. A small POS is about 130M per month in fuel. If that can be handled by one person is up to that person.
If I drop a small POS...should I expect to be attacked often? |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2131
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:52:00 -
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Acidius wrote:Any tips? Besides fuel and defense? Search the forums for posts by me using related keywords. I've posted a huge amount on the topic.
Example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=906892#post906892 |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:06:00 -
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Acidius wrote:just wants to try indy? :( Well, if you just want to try out building stuff, buy researched blueprint copies via contracts. This allows you to get into production without a huge initial investment. And for most common items it shouldn't be to hard to find good blueprints. Just make sure to double-check the number of runs, ME and PE levels of the blueprints in the contract.
And if you really want to research your own blueprints, you can rent laboratory lines in POS from a couple of players/corps. (See the "sell" forums).
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
649
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:33:00 -
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Acidius wrote:so I am forced to join a Corp that has POS slots open for someone who just wants to try indy? :(
You don't need a POS at all to do industry. If you're going heavily into T2 invention, then a POS is strongly indicated (for the copying), but even then I know of people that do T2 invention and manufacturing and don't have a POS.
If you want to dabble, see if you like industry, buy researched blueprint copies (BPCs) off contract. They're cheap and, better for a new player, they don't tie up large amounts of ISK. Once you're happy you want to keep going, you can buy the BPOs already researched also off contract. Yes, they're more expensive than buying unresearched ones off the market, but consider that you're paying for the time spent researching those BPOs. If you don't have a POS tower of your own, that can be well worth the price.
As for a POS, a small tower will set you back around 100 million, labs about 80 million each and fuel for that small tower around 100 million ISK a month (10 blocks an hour, around 15k per block). |
Acidius
Dead Fantasy
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:38:00 -
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Really good information! Thanks guys!
p.s. I did my own search before this and got a lot of information from 2010. I came here because I wasn't sure what changed since then. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
402
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:20:00 -
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My experience is limited, but you should have a plan for what you are going to do when your corp is wardeced. Normally a one man corp would just close and reform to avoid the dec. But if you have a pos you can't do that. To defend it you'd need some friends to ally. Either the kind of friends you can call for a favor or the kind of friends you call with isk. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
MadMuppet
AirHogs Zulu People
903
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Posted - 2013.10.08 02:37:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:My experience is limited, but you should have a plan for what you are going to do when your corp is wardeced. Normally a one man corp would just close and reform to avoid the dec. But if you have a pos you can't do that. To defend it you'd need some friends to ally. Either the kind of friends you can call for a favor or the kind of friends you call with isk.
I did touch on that earlier, take down everything but the tower and if the enemy corp wants to waste time destroying the tower let them. Putting enough stront in the thing so that the reinforcement lands on an really annoying time zone as well helps. This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD. |
Callie McPherson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.08 02:52:00 -
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For the most part you can pretty much forget about a POS for a good long time, if you're a new person.
If you've not been involved in industry yet - get an ammo blue print (for something you use yourself) and start playing with that. Make some stuff and try to sell it.
Understand that being in Industrialist is NOT just making things. You don't get any money for making things. You get money for Selling them.
You don't have to have your BP's researched at all to make things, you just need to do that to make your operations more efficient - that is - make more money. For the purposes of seeing if you like doing it - you can start making and selling things now. There's a cost to pretty much anything you do. Right now - you're going to be paying the cost of not having been doing this for several years. If you like it and get better at it you'll make more money.
Again - it's the selling stuff part that makes you money. That means that you don't have to actually make anything yourself - you can just buy things one place and sell them somewhere else (where you can get a better price). Fooling around with that will teach you about the market.
The right way to do this - is to come to understand the market - see that there is a way for you to make money on something and THEN go out and start making them. Do NOT just go buy a blue print for something you think is cool and then try to sell what you made. There may well be a glut of those particular things on the market and you'll have to sell them at a loss just to get rid of them.
Spreadsheets are your friend if you can build them. I think there used to be some floating about ... but that's third party software so ... get it from a trusted source ...
As to research slots - there usually are some open ... somewhere .... it's just a question of how long you're going to have to wait or how far down into Lo Sec you have to go to find one that's open. Look around in some of the quieter systems and you may find some. Here - while it may be more effective on a larger scale to get someone else's researched BP - putting some through the process is good experience, just so you know how to do it.
Of course, the other aspect of this is where you are getting your resources. The big industrialists just buy it all - but it might be more effective for you to mine some of it yourself. Depends on whether you've got more time or more money. New people often have a lot more time than money.
Where it really helps to have a POS - is when you start trying to make T2 stuff. Those T2 blue prints are all copies that are consumed in the process and so you have to keep making them. With T1 things - your BPO's pretty much last forever - so that once they are researched - you don't have to do it again.
Being an industrialist is a complex thing to do. There's a lot to know and it takes time to learn it all. Just fool around with something small to start out with and see if you like it.
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Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
91
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:00:00 -
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It is entirely possible to run your own POS as a single man, just make sure to build your own fuel blocks it is a bit cheaper that way. I save a decent amount of isk even just by buying the individual parts off of the market. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
MadMuppet
The Blue Max Headroom
903
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:56:00 -
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I have not done the math in a while, but if you want to mine your own ice in high-sec I think it is something around 12 man-hours a month for a small POS, 24 for a medium, and 48 for a large... if you can find a belt. This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2013.10.09 15:02:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:My experience is limited, but you should have a plan for what you are going to do when your corp is wardeced. Normally a one man corp would just close and reform to avoid the dec. But if you have a pos you can't do that. To defend it you'd need some friends to ally. Either the kind of friends you can call for a favor or the kind of friends you call with isk.
Alternatively, you can just dismantle the pos if you get war dec - cant tell you the number of wars i've been in where the targeted corp simply pulls down their pos before the war even starts. Ofc poses arent all that expensive - so there are many folk who just abandon them to the war as a cost of doing business as well. So all in all, whether you defend the pos or not is really a question of whether you want to pvp. I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
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Captain Skarlet
Elemental Exploration Quantum Decadence
10
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:30:00 -
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I know CCP were going to revamp the POS's to the new modular design, which is going to be great 'when it happens'???
They also mentioned about lowering the running cost of POS's so that single players such as yourself and small corps like ours could happily run a POS without breaking the bank. This is something they could implement NOW, as I have two POS"s, which I can't afford to put online..
I have just worked out that is would now cost me 449,376,000 isk every month to run my POS, which is ridicules..!!
If you don't believe me, do ya Maths........ Currently on the Eve Market 1 Block = 15,100.00 isk, POS consumption 40 Blocks per hour, 744 hours in a month..
Even when I was running the POS full-time, making Rigs, BPC's, Ships, Various modules etc..
Mining my own ice for the Hydrogen Isotopes and producing a lot of the materials to make my own blocks, still didn't cover the running costs of this POS..!!
I really enjoy the POS's activities, though it does requires a lot of game time as well, so as a lot of our Corp members are in full time work and have kids, it's hard to fit it all in...
I feel CCP need to sort out the running cost of these POS's so it's more accessible to small player Corps... |
J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
2386
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:46:00 -
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Solution:
1. Dont get a POS if you a cant afford it. 2. Scale the POS down in size.
POS are corporate structures. The idea behind a corp is that a group works together and does stuff together. Say rounded up its 500mil a month. Your corp has 10 proper members who work very closely, thats 50mil each. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Captain Skarlet
Elemental Exploration Quantum Decadence
10
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:55:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Solution:
1. Dont get a POS if you a cant afford it. 2. Scale the POS down in size.
POS are corporate structures. The idea behind a corp is that a group works together and does stuff together. Say rounded up its 500mil a month. Your corp has 10 proper members who work very closely, thats 50mil each.
Yeah and this is the narrow sightedness that pisses me off...
So what are you saying then, that Corps who have 9 members or less shouldn't be allowed to own a POS...Ballshit..!!
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
680
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:56:00 -
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Captain Skarlet wrote: They also mentioned about lowering the running cost of POS's so that single players such as yourself and small corps like ours could happily run a POS without breaking the bank. This is something they could implement NOW, as I have two POS"s, which I can't afford to put online..
I have just worked out that is would now cost me 449,376,000 isk every month to run my POS, which is ridicules..!!
Well single players and small corps could use a small tower.
Which would cut the cost to about 120M.
And if you can't make at least 120M/month profit on your POS then you shouldn't run one.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
2386
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:04:00 -
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Captain Skarlet wrote:J'Poll wrote:Solution:
1. Dont get a POS if you a cant afford it. 2. Scale the POS down in size.
POS are corporate structures. The idea behind a corp is that a group works together and does stuff together. Say rounded up its 500mil a month. Your corp has 10 proper members who work very closely, thats 50mil each. Yeah and this is the narrow sightedness that pisses me off... So what are you saying then, that Corps who have 9 members or less shouldn't be allowed to own a POS...Ballshit..!! As I have already mentioned CCP were meant to be sorting this out, so smaller corps can run a POS as well
And why would 9 people need 2 large towers.
The whole point is that you have to scale to your demand. And clearly you have set up bigger then you can afford.
So, buy 1 or 2 small towers and make profit.
Edit: I personally alone run 1 medium tower with profit and can run a 2nd small one if needed and still get some left over money. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Captain Skarlet
Elemental Exploration Quantum Decadence
10
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:04:00 -
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Well single players and small corps could use a small tower.
Which would cut the cost to about 120M.
And if you can't make at least 120M/month profit on your POS then you shouldn't run one. [/quote]
Small tower = Powers less arrays = less production/products = less revenue..
Large tower = Powers more arrays = more production/products = more revenue.
Basically it all works out the same in the end... |
J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
2386
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:10:00 -
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Captain Skarlet wrote:Well single players and small corps could use a small tower.
Which would cut the cost to about 120M.
And if you can't make at least 120M/month profit on your POS then you shouldn't run one.
Small tower = Powers less arrays = less production/products = less revenue..
Large tower = Powers more arrays = more production/products = more revenue.
Basically it all works out the same in the end...[/quote]
So you are saying that your corp is using the full PG/CPU of the POS towers and also have 100% coverage on the arrays?
And still dont make enough money from it to fuel them... Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
680
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:12:00 -
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Captain Skarlet wrote:Well single players and small corps could use a small tower.
Small tower = Powers less arrays = less production/products = less revenue..
Large tower = Powers more arrays = more production/products = more revenue.
Basically it all works out the same in the end...
Yes it does.
So the problem isn't the actual cost, it's about how to have a POS generate more isk than it costs to run.
Which isn't a problem for either a small corp nor for a single player. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Captain Skarlet
Elemental Exploration Quantum Decadence
10
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:15:00 -
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And why would 9 people need 2 large towers.
The whole point is that you have to scale to your demand. And clearly you have set up bigger then you can afford.
So, buy 1 or 2 small towers and make profit.
Edit: I personally alone run 1 medium tower with profit and can run a 2nd small one if needed and still get some left over money.[/quote]
That's easier said than done, due to standing when it comes to anchoring. My standings are good with Gallente, though the Corps isn't..
Also the plan was, to produce all the BPC's, modules etc at one tower and use the other tower to make various ships, though circumstances have changed for a lot of us, making it hard for us to complete these original plans...
We are hoping things will change soon.. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1673
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:16:00 -
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Captain Skarlet wrote:J'Poll wrote:Solution:
1. Dont get a POS if you a cant afford it. 2. Scale the POS down in size.
POS are corporate structures. The idea behind a corp is that a group works together and does stuff together. Say rounded up its 500mil a month. Your corp has 10 proper members who work very closely, thats 50mil each. Yeah and this is the narrow sightedness that pisses me off... So what are you saying then, that Corps who have 9 members or less shouldn't be allowed to own a POS...Ballshit..!! As I have already mentioned CCP were meant to be sorting this out, so smaller corps can run a POS as well
except that J'Poll isn't being narrow minded (just using a 10-man corp as an example) ... if you cannot afford 500m ISK/month for a LARGE POS, then you do the following:
A. Medium POS (~250m/month) OR B. Small POS(~125m/month) OR C. Don't use one.
Yes, CCP are working on the "smallholdings" thing and fixing POS ... and the four new deployables appear to be the first step in this direction. It'll take time for this to move forward though, since they need to make sure it's all balanced.
Same comparison you make with any other large purchase...
A. get the 50K car with all the options B. get the 40k car with some options C. get the 30k base model D. (choose a cheaper model, or use public transport, or bicycle, or ... )
Edit -- see yo usaid you had 2x Lg pos...
so shut one down (leave it anchored) and move all the stuff to the single large pos. when you outgrow it, move to the second one ... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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