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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4160
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:19:00 -
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Well, what are you prepared to sacrifice over what a T1 destroyer offers?
I'm working on the assumption that there is a heck of a lot of gear that you have to squeeze into that hull in order to allow it to fit warfare links in the first place.
Would a "light command ship" work with only 75% of the DPS and tank of the T1 destroyer equivalent?
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
342
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:30:00 -
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Something I've felt the need to complain about as well. I have no issues with links going ongrid - I support it. But not if smaller ship classes wont have their own command ships. Adding these different classes will make boosting more obtainable for lower level players as well as allow for more dynamic options for players - especially those in Lowsec and FW. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3375
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:17:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Well, what are you prepared to sacrifice over what a T1 destroyer offers?
I'm working on the assumption that there is a heck of a lot of gear that you have to squeeze into that hull in order to allow it to fit warfare links in the first place.
Would a "light command ship" work with only 75% of the DPS and tank of the T1 destroyer equivalent? I'd personally be fine with giving up a fair bit of DPS and either speed or tank. I'm under no illusion that this ship would not have to give up something to gain its specialty.
I'm merely hesitant to give more precise details as everyone has an idea on what it should be (though, there seems to be a consensus growing here that it shouldn't be able to fit more than 1 or 2 links)... and I'm just trying to sell the concept itself. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2032
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:07:00 -
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No, just no.
Frigates, Destroyers and hell even T1 Cruisers should be able to hold their own just fine against other Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers; while I certainly advocate the idea that there needs to be more destroyers and maybe a few more frigate hulls, inventing another link ship just seems wasteful, pointless and will probably cause more harm than good.
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Lena Lazair
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.10 00:16:00 -
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Sorta +1. I think controlling assigned drones should become the purview of command ships and that a T2 destroyer variant would make an awesome small scale version of this. Not sure I'd actually want it to have the ability to run links though...
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3385
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:48:00 -
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Shameless self-bumping. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
512
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:55:00 -
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Supported. Logical direction for destroyers to support skirmish gangs when links go on grid.
A good bet this will happen too. Been hinted at on podcasts. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2591
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:05:00 -
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A bump for yes.
A smaller and faster CS sounds perfect to go with all these deadly cepter/AF/EAF fleets.
And the notion that it can only boost for a squad and not a whole fleet seems like a sound idea to keep it from overlapping the CSes too much.
Maybe a smaller bonus too. The Drake is a Lie |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Forsak3n.
620
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:54:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:[quote=ShahFluffers]I would like to see command processors moved to a rig This would be really bad because the opportunity cost for not fitting a different kind of rig is far too small. It would allow ships to fit 2/3/4 (depending on the rig) ganglinks and still have excellent tank and/or DPS (AND, in the case of the Myrmidon).
There should be a high opportunity cost for fitting command processors, to give command ships a distinct advantage in fitting ganglinks. I might decrease the current cost of the command processor if EVE ever goes to on-grid boosts, but it should at least cost a medium slot and a bit of fitting. Even if the rig cost 400 calibration, it wouldn't be worth a medium slot plus a significant amount of CPU and powergrid. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
359
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:22:00 -
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It'd be kind of unfortunate if something like this didn't happen after links go on grind. Frigate gangs are already weighed down substantially if they want to bring links along, which puts them at a pretty heavy relative disadvantage compared to heavier gangs that are running links. Basically, frigates can either bring linked and trade in the primary advantage of running frigates, or they can not bring them and be at a pretty egregious disadvantage when trying to engage gangs of larger ships.
(Of course, I'd rather they axed links entirely, but that's clearly not going to happen). |
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Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Northern Associates.
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:36:00 -
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Here's my 2 cents worth.
Yes to the concept of Light Command Ship based on a Destroyer Hull
Being a T2 ship it will have roles and bonuses and stuff, I suggest the following: Able to fit upto 2 Command Links, no bounce to effectiveness/maybe a bonus to fitting Same number of Weapon Hardpoints as High Slots, so that the pilot has to decide how much DPS to Sacrifice for links NO Bonus to DPS, perhaps a bonus to range Bonus to Tank or Speed, to either have the tank of a cruiser, or the speed tank of a frigate/interceptor, not both(I expect all to have the tank of a cruiser except for the Minmatar one which has the speed)
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2078
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:56:00 -
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sure, once they have the on-grid thing implemented... commandship all the things. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Forsak3n.
620
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:06:00 -
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Caldari 5 wrote:Same number of Weapon Hardpoints as High Slots, so that the pilot has to decide how much DPS to Sacrifice for links NO Bonus to DPS, perhaps a bonus to range or you could give it a damage bonus with an equivalent decrease in number of high slots. That would use up a skill bonus for essentially no return while also making the cost of fitting ganglinks higher. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Northern Associates.
103
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:37:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Caldari 5 wrote:Same number of Weapon Hardpoints as High Slots, so that the pilot has to decide how much DPS to Sacrifice for links NO Bonus to DPS, perhaps a bonus to range or you could give it a damage bonus with an equivalent decrease in number of high slots. That would use up a skill bonus for essentially no return while also making the cost of fitting ganglinks higher.
Nice Amplification of the idea :) |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
294
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Posted - 2013.10.11 07:38:00 -
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/signed
"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Altered Ego
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:45:00 -
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Absolutely, with CCP making small ships more viable and the off grid boost changes, this is a perfectly logical request.
+1 |
Jackdaw Finch
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.10.13 03:16:00 -
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Amen - this would be a great thing |
Robbie Robot
Exiled Kings SCUM.
16
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Posted - 2013.10.13 05:31:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Supported, but I suggest they only use a maximum of 1 link per hull while still being able to decently fit the rest of the hull.
There needs to be a reason to use heavier and slower ships. Two links is pushing the envelope, but I'll support that if it's as difficult to do as fitting twin bubblers on an interdictor. A single T2 destroyer should not be able to fit three links, ever.
Hull ideas:
Kaalakiota Corax (Black & Red) Creodron Algos (Pearlescent Green/Blue) Viziam Dragoon (Green & Gold) Core Complexion Talwar (Black with Blue lights) Either 1 link, or a reduced bonus. I'd prefer a reduced bonus, but having about 2 links. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
150
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:05:00 -
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I would say 2 links, normal bonus, hard to fit. |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
597
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:05:00 -
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+1 |
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Liesje Allister
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:59:00 -
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+1
Retribution destroyer hulls are a good idea.
Please consider. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
415
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Posted - 2013.10.13 19:36:00 -
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I've always been in favour of this . Remove insurance. |
Kasife Vynneve
Nourwolf Corporation Fortis Et Certus
3
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Posted - 2013.10.13 19:51:00 -
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A good idea that needs more support. |
Zachev Trace
Dragon's Rage Executive Outcomes
3
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Posted - 2013.10.14 00:55:00 -
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+1
More t2 destroyers :D
I've always wanted this actually, just never got around to posting about it.
Love the idea of a command destroyer, especially when their only other counter parts are already a major part of fleets (interdictors).
This will add quite a bit of variety to the ship class, and well balanced variety is a good thing. |
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Northern Associates.
108
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:29:00 -
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Bumpage for a good idea |
Gorgoth24
Sickology Dead Terrorists
51
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Posted - 2013.10.14 05:53:00 -
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I also like this idea. It'd probably be best if it were limited to fewer simultaneous command modules then the larger versions, but it'd definitely be cool to see when OGB is removed. |
tommy two feathers
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:57:00 -
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since their faster could they also be good for a hac fleet to keep up with all the mwd action? |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:13:00 -
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Oh hell yeah please!!
Always wanted to experiment with what it's like providing some combat links, but T1 BC far too slow for the T1 cruisers and below most of our fleets roam in, Command ships out of the question without even knowing fist hand the potential of links, nor the investment for such a kitchen sink fleet. Same for T3 command, not worth the full training and cost for something untested on smaller scale. |
Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:57:00 -
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More destroyers are a very good idea! I would like to see them having a proper rack of hulls and uses like frigs and cruisers. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear Limitless Inc.
186
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:19:00 -
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Yeah - you get my vote :) |
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