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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16914
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:43:00 -
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Great. Finally we might get some answers.
While penning that blog, from what I've seen in the various threads on the topic, I would suggest that you try to at least tentatively touch on the following main themes:
1. The secrecy surrounding the hand-out. 2. The opaqueness and seemingly arbitrary nature of the selection process. 3. The double-whammy of the individual hand-out and the corp promotion. 4. The distinction between community services and commercial entities promoting themselves. 5. The value of these handouts, includingGǪ -á-á-á-á-á5a. GǪthe balance between giving something nice and something that doesn't provide significant (monetary) advantages. -á-á-á-á-á5b. GǪthe balance between value and the effects of flooding the market (i.e. should give-away items be pre-flooded)? -á-á-á-á-á5c. GǪthe perceived difference between relative and absolute increases in asset value. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1410
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:47:00 -
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xXThunder StruckXx wrote:Thanks for the input Manifest.
Personally, I don't see what the issue is. Something got given out as a thankyou, no different to me giving some passing noob 100m and patting him on the back for mining in a venture for a week. If I decided to do it, who is anyone to tell me it's wrong? The same applies here in my opinion.
You saw fit to show some appreciation, for YOUR reasons. Don't be swayed into giving your reasons for such things on the cry of a butthurt goon or two.
The sandbox hasn't been broken by any of this. No corp or alliance will fall as a result of you giving these gifts to Somer. I'm sure had one been offered to everyone that has taken such umbridge at this, they would have taken it, each and every one!
For your information, those of us who are opposed to 'freebies' are opposed to them on principle, not because I or we did not get them.
Once you can understand this, you will understand that the threadnaughts are not because we hate CCP, but because we want Eve Online to continue to be the horrible, mean, nasty and fair place it is, where success (or in my case failure) is down to the players themselves, not freebies from CCP. This is not a signature. |
maGz
Chaos Reborn
20
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:47:00 -
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Regardless of vacations and the like, CCP has applied the silence is golden-treatment to the community before and while we should always give them time to respond in a proper manner, one can't help but look at the current rage being, even if only partially, of CCPs own doing (the past taken into account).
In my oppinion the value of the IWS' is of little concern considering the amount of ISK generated by Somer Blink and its employees on a daily basis. One could argue that it messes with the sandbox and that we're all going to die now, but to be honest it is CCPs game to mess with and while the value of the IWS' is currently high, this is a value purely set by the players and as such it is out of the hands of CCP (one could argue that they could have given a special complimentary unit of Tritanium, but that may have been highly valued as well (collectors are weird), so in the end it's a loss/loss situation for CCP).
The big issue with this entire thing however is that it seems to me that CCP seems to have forgotten the past or, even worse, they choose to ignore the past. Is this the scale of T20? No way, but the problem is that, even if it is nowhere near T20 in scale, it has similarities (giving out stuff in secrecy being the gist of it) and I think it immediately rekindled the fire started by T20. Especially the way things have been handled so far.
Should they've aborted the company holiday to deal with internet spaceships? Of course not! But this shouldn't have happened in the first place, and that's my big problem with this entire thing. We've just had our 10th anniversary and we should be looking back at all the awesome things that have happened in EVE, but we shouldn't forget the bad things either. And most importantly - we should learn from them.
/m |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
191
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:52:00 -
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I just noticed... borrowing Dinsdale's tinfoil hat.. think about this:
- The CFCs last victory was largely grounded in ISK (e.g. to pay BL), or lack thereof on TEST side - SOMER is an enitity with _a lot_ of ISK (despite some estimations beeing grossly wrong) - TheMittani.com is basically run by Goonswarm (authors are payed by them) - The Mittani, calling himself a Solar Spymaster, likely knew of the vacation ahead of time by himself or via a source - The I-Scorpion issue was published on TMDC on the exact Saturday half of CCP was on vacation on the countryside
I am not saying I really believe this, but it sure does look very fitting... |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1410
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:53:00 -
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Sephira Galamore wrote:I just noticed... borrowing Dinsdale's tinfoil hat.. think about this:
- The CFCs last victory was largely grounded in ISK (e.g. to pay BL), or lack thereof on TEST side - SOMER is an enitity with _a lot_ of ISK (despite some estimations beeing grossly wrong) - TheMittani.com is basically run by Goonswarm (authors are payed by them) - The Mittani, calling himself a Solar Spymaster, likely knew of the vacation ahead of time by himself or via a source - The I-Scorpion issue was published on TMDC on the exact Saturday half of CCP was on vacation on the countryside - Goonswarm members are dominating the drama threads
I am not saying I really believe this, but it sure does look very fitting...
grr goons
funny post though This is not a signature. |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
191
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:56:00 -
[96] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sephira Galamore wrote:I just noticed... borrowing Dinsdale's tinfoil hat.. think about this:
- The CFCs last victory was largely grounded in ISK (e.g. to pay BL), or lack thereof on TEST side - SOMER is an enitity with _a lot_ of ISK (despite some estimations beeing grossly wrong) - TheMittani.com is basically run by Goonswarm (authors are payed by them) - The Mittani, calling himself a Solar Spymaster, likely knew of the vacation ahead of time by himself or via a source - The I-Scorpion issue was published on TMDC on the exact Saturday half of CCP was on vacation on the countryside - Goonswarm members are dominating the drama threads
I am not saying I really believe this, but it sure does look very fitting... grr goons funny post though I am not even mad! I think I would be more impressed than anything, which may be an indication that I have been playing the game and following its history too much <.< |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
688
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:58:00 -
[97] - Quote
Sephira Galamore wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sephira Galamore wrote:I just noticed... borrowing Dinsdale's tinfoil hat.. think about this:
- The CFCs last victory was largely grounded in ISK (e.g. to pay BL), or lack thereof on TEST side - SOMER is an enitity with _a lot_ of ISK (despite some estimations beeing grossly wrong) - TheMittani.com is basically run by Goonswarm (authors are payed by them) - The Mittani, calling himself a Solar Spymaster, likely knew of the vacation ahead of time by himself or via a source - The I-Scorpion issue was published on TMDC on the exact Saturday half of CCP was on vacation on the countryside - Goonswarm members are dominating the drama threads
I am not saying I really believe this, but it sure does look very fitting... grr goons funny post though I am not even mad! I think I would be more impressed than anything, which may be an indication that I have been playing the game and following its history too much <.<
When in doubt, blame goon. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Arec Bardwin
1136
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:03:00 -
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Good thing someone cares at CCP. I love this game, and CCP; I love you too, but sometimes you appear as goddamn morons. Shape up for chrissake! Neither you or the players want this game to go down the drain. |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
269
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:05:00 -
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This is a none issue.
Still.
Get over yourselves. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
828
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:14:00 -
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Question, since I am a very very very loyal costumer of Somer, can I get one Ishukone ship also?
Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-) |
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Edward Olmops
Sirius Fleet
103
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:15:00 -
[101] - Quote
Instead of throwing around Guardian-Vexors, you should maybe create a SOMER faction ship and give them that. No one will question why exactly SOMER gets that fancy shiny ship with the SOMER logo on it and not someone else, right?
And you should call that a community gameplay award for outstanding emergent sandboxing. So that everyone knows why SOMER has been selected for giving these away.
P.S.: And while you are at it, you could give Chribba a unique T2-Dreadnought BPC for turning a Revelation into something with no turrets and a mining bonus. :-D |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1410
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:23:00 -
[102] - Quote
In a wider context, is it a good move by CCP to be so closely linked to a gambling site? This is not a signature. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
93
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:33:00 -
[103] - Quote
Sephira Galamore wrote:I just noticed... borrowing Dinsdale's tinfoil hat.. think about this:
- The CFCs last victory was largely grounded in ISK (e.g. to pay BL), or lack thereof on TEST side - SOMER is an enitity with _a lot_ of ISK (despite some estimations beeing grossly wrong) - TheMittani.com is basically run by Goonswarm (authors are payed by them) - The Mittani, calling himself a Solar Spymaster, likely knew of the vacation ahead of time by himself or via a source - The I-Scorpion issue was published on TMDC on the exact Saturday half of CCP was on vacation on the countryside - Goonswarm members are dominating the drama threads
I am not saying I really believe this, but it sure does look very fitting... What would happen if SOMER decided to not only sponsor AT teams or Ganked roams, but full out wars?
I've made that point before. I love playing on SOMER and I don't believe there is any cheating or scamming going on with the lottery itself. But it wouldn't surprise me if the entire thing is a huge 'legitimate' front for one of the larger alliances. Any alliance with the income of SOMER would become very very powerful. The first name that pops up is in fact Goonswarm, but it wouldn't make much sense for them to throw all this negativity at their own cover front. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
77
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:52:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:
I've made that point before. I love playing on SOMER and I don't believe there is any cheating or scamming going on with the lottery itself. But it wouldn't surprise me if the entire thing is a huge 'legitimate' front for one of the larger alliances. Any alliance with the income of SOMER would become very very powerful. The first name that pops up is in fact Goonswarm, but it wouldn't make much sense for them to throw all this negativity at their own cover front.
That's what they WANT you to think! |
Saeri Averes-Vith
Oxide Nation Iron Oxide.
8
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:59:00 -
[105] - Quote
Unforgiven Storm wrote:Question, since I am a very very very loyal costumer of Somer, can I get one Ishukone ship also?
What kinda costumes do you like wearing? |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2410
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:05:00 -
[106] - Quote
Best case scenario is that CCP say "welp we wont do it again (but somer can keep the trillions we gave them cuz they help push GTCs)"
most likely scenario is that they try and find a way to justify it and say they'll continue doing it in the future.
I can't argue though, as CCP are paying me a monthly sum as a result. A sum that is roughly exactly the same as a subscription. I'm happy with that. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
110
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:09:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Best case scenario is that CCP say "welp we wont do it again (but somer can keep the trillions we gave them cuz they help push GTCs)"
I think this will be the outcome. Someone remembers the guy, who cried "Wolves!" all the time?
This signature is under NDA. Sorry. |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
221
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:10:00 -
[108] - Quote
Good to see there's a reply coming from you guys at CCP.
I've said this already in another thread but I'll just shortly say it again: next time you want to recognise players (which SOMER deserves), may I suggest you use items with no in-game (monetary) value.
This way you can recognise people's effort without feeling like you need to hide it and even more importantly you can do so without upsetting the sandbox or the people in it. |
Veliaht
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:15:00 -
[109] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Sephira Galamore wrote:I just noticed... borrowing Dinsdale's tinfoil hat.. think about this:
- The CFCs last victory was largely grounded in ISK (e.g. to pay BL), or lack thereof on TEST side - SOMER is an enitity with _a lot_ of ISK (despite some estimations beeing grossly wrong) - TheMittani.com is basically run by Goonswarm (authors are payed by them) - The Mittani, calling himself a Solar Spymaster, likely knew of the vacation ahead of time by himself or via a source - The I-Scorpion issue was published on TMDC on the exact Saturday half of CCP was on vacation on the countryside - Goonswarm members are dominating the drama threads
I am not saying I really believe this, but it sure does look very fitting... What would happen if SOMER decided to not only sponsor AT teams or Ganked roams, but full out wars? I've made that point before. I love playing on SOMER and I don't believe there is any cheating or scamming going on with the lottery itself. But it wouldn't surprise me if the entire thing is a huge 'legitimate' front for one of the larger alliances. Any alliance with the income of SOMER would become very very powerful. The first name that pops up is in fact Goonswarm, but it wouldn't make much sense for them to throw all this negativity at their own cover front.
Exactly! This is not a charity =) |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
236
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:18:00 -
[110] - Quote
Thanks for the (slightly delayed ) heads up, Manifest. I'll wait for the dev blog.
Deka Ekato wrote:A big ask, but please do read as many / all of our posts as you can, please. I would like to second this. I could post a wall of text yet again, but if possible at all you should really just read the several threadnaughts about this issue, cause everything has already been said many times over in many different words. |
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Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:20:00 -
[111] - Quote
Upsetting the Sandbox? Like when we got the Gnosis?
When will EveO players develop the necessary intelligence to understand that CCP didn't gave ISK to Somer but just some ships?
It is the stupidity of the collectors who gave this huge and totally unnecessary value to the Ishukone Scorpions. Which is currently falling and I am laughing about the generated tears
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1105
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:58:00 -
[112] - Quote
Moira Ayindi wrote:Upsetting the Sandbox? Like when we got the Gnosis? When will EveO players develop the necessary intelligence to understand that CCP didn't gave ISK to Somer but just some ships? It is the stupidity of the collectors who gave this huge and totally unnecessary value to the Ishukone Scorpions. Which is currently falling and I am laughing about the generated tears
You really don't want to get it, do you? It's about what those ships are worth at this moment, not tomorrow or next year but now.
It doesn't matter to who they are worth what, it matters that they can and probably will be sold for a lot of isk now and CCP secretly gifted them to a few people based upon shady qualifications.
It does matter too that those ships are now worth a lot and by the time you will get one they're worth maybe exactly what they're really worth, 1 trit. Just guess how that feels when you're the last in line who receives this "gift".
If these gifts where made nontransferable we wouldn't had seen any reaction like CCP got now over this.
Looking forward to the dev blog.
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Baali Tekitsu
God Bless My Enemies
43
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:00:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:Instead of throwing around Guardian-Vexors, you should maybe create a SOMER faction ship and give them that. No one will question why exactly SOMER gets that fancy shiny ship with the SOMER logo on it and not someone else, right?
Because giving them something even more valuable from a collectors point of view will solve the issue right? |
MortisLegati
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:02:00 -
[114] - Quote
Baali Tekitsu wrote:Edward Olmops wrote:Instead of throwing around Guardian-Vexors, you should maybe create a SOMER faction ship and give them that. No one will question why exactly SOMER gets that fancy shiny ship with the SOMER logo on it and not someone else, right?
Because giving them something even more valuable from a collectors point of view will solve the issue right?
It would solve at least one facet of the issue. |
Careby
Careby Exploration
32
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:07:00 -
[115] - Quote
"Watch what they do, not what they say."
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Nathan Stirling
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:27:00 -
[116] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:Innominate wrote:Much like the ToS debacle, unless there is something substantially erroneous in statements already made by CCP this is not an issue which requires further clarification, it's a problem which requires action and change. If CCP isn't going to do something to actually fix this problem, please just let the matter drop instead of further insulting your player base trying to justify it. What she said. Just stop giving people transferable in-game rewards. Full stop. Just don't do it. What possible reason justifies purposefully choosing a more problematic option when so many unproblematic ones exist? Don't clarify, just stop using a policy that cannot be implemented unproblematically and which has unproblematic alternatives that can achieve the same or better results. Heck, don't even bother going though a big review and apology, just stop doing it tomorrow morning when you get to work. One quick post, and problem solved.
Exactly - |
Captain StringfellowHawk
Lo-Ball Incorporated Backwater Aristocrats
24
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:27:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:IDGAD wrote:CCP Manifest wrote:Gilbaron wrote:next time you take half the company on vacation, please communicate that There are security reasons why that's a bad idea that I can't really argue with. Wait wait wait...... so you take a LARGE portion of the company out on vacation and leave the game understaffed and vulnerable to such issues? Is the very nature of taking so many employees critical to the game out of the picture AT THE SAME TIME not the big issue here? It's like having 10 people staffed 24/7 at a nuclear plant to maintain functionality, and 8 out of the 10 decide to leave for lunch AT THE SAME TIME and you end up with a good 'ol russian time with the reactor going critical. That DOES NOT WORK and was irresponsible. You clowns are some bold, ignorant, and mouthy people. This crap Faction Scorpion "ordeal" is a non-issue. The only issue I see here is that a bunch of whiny "entitled" children seem to think that Eve Online, a game popular for being unfair, should be fair. You kids need to step away from your computer for a minute and remember that CCP is not your company. You pay to play the game, and they aren't required to coddle you. The fact that they listen to you on some things is a perk of a decent company. If you don't like their game, leave. You won't, ofcourse, because most of you scrubs are just full of hot air and mad about your "poor, pitiful pixel world". Get over it.
^^^ This. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
54218
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:28:00 -
[118] - Quote
Gilbaron wrote:next time you take half the company on vacation, please communicate that
Are you seriously for real ? People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:32:00 -
[119] - Quote
Sephira Galamore wrote:I just noticed... borrowing Dinsdale's tinfoil hat.. think about this:
- The CFCs last victory was largely grounded in ISK (e.g. to pay BL), or lack thereof on TEST side - SOMER is an enitity with _a lot_ of ISK (despite some estimations beeing grossly wrong) - TheMittani.com is basically run by Goonswarm (authors are payed by them) - The Mittani, calling himself a Solar Spymaster, likely knew of the vacation ahead of time by himself or via a source - The I-Scorpion issue was published on TMDC on the exact Saturday half of CCP was on vacation on the countryside - Goonswarm members are dominating the drama threads
I am not saying I really believe this, but it sure does look very fitting... What would happen if SOMER decided to not only sponsor AT teams or Ganked roams, but full out wars? This is exactly what happened! As it was mentioned a few times by several Devs. |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
226
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:36:00 -
[120] - Quote
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:IDGAD wrote:CCP Manifest wrote:Gilbaron wrote:next time you take half the company on vacation, please communicate that There are security reasons why that's a bad idea that I can't really argue with. Wait wait wait...... so you take a LARGE portion of the company out on vacation and leave the game understaffed and vulnerable to such issues? Is the very nature of taking so many employees critical to the game out of the picture AT THE SAME TIME not the big issue here? It's like having 10 people staffed 24/7 at a nuclear plant to maintain functionality, and 8 out of the 10 decide to leave for lunch AT THE SAME TIME and you end up with a good 'ol russian time with the reactor going critical. That DOES NOT WORK and was irresponsible. You clowns are some bold, ignorant, and mouthy people. This crap Faction Scorpion "ordeal" is a non-issue. The only issue I see here is that a bunch of whiny "entitled" children seem to think that Eve Online, a game popular for being unfair, should be fair. You kids need to step away from your computer for a minute and remember that CCP is not your company. You pay to play the game, and they aren't required to coddle you. The fact that they listen to you on some things is a perk of a decent company. If you don't like their game, leave. You won't, ofcourse, because most of you scrubs are just full of hot air and mad about your "poor, pitiful pixel world". Get over it. ^^^ This.
No, not "this"
There's EVE players and then there's EVE devs. The players can be unfair and that's where the "cold harsh universe" comes from. That's why EVE is known for being unfair.
The devs on the other hand are responsible for the entire game and they should NOT make the game unfair for the players.
It's absolutely silly to say it's ok for CCP to be unfair towards the players because EVE is known for being unfair and harsh. There's a massive difference between the players being unfair and the devs being unfair.
edit: I'm not taking part in the "CCP company vacation" discussion. CCP can take a vacation whenever they want. |
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