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Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:22:00 -
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to be totally honest I have no idea why they would have gotten rid of them in the first place. Now that they have the space is useless. There is no faction loot that anyone cares about which means no real chance of great gains. The minerals you got from running drones in drone space were very worth it.
CCP MAKE DRONE SPACE USEFUL AGAIN PLEASE!!! |
Zappity
Kurved Space
499
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:25:00 -
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The new mission runner's best friend (tractor beam whatsit) could well crash some minerals prices. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:26:00 -
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Zappity wrote:The new mission runner's best friend (tractor beam whatsit) could well crash some minerals prices.
mineral prices are only what they are because of ccp getting involved with drone alloys. mineral prices are completely out of hand. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:30:00 -
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removing drone alloys pretty much doubled the isk for minerals.
but u are right drones currently need either higher bounty then the other faction rats or have to drop normal meta stuff or have better salvage. |
Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:35:00 -
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The best and easiest option would always be to return drone alloys. CCP is always going about how they want to increase content for people, how are they doing that by making you have to work twice as hard to buy ships to use in pvp. they are successfully halfing the current content. Personally isk is nothing to me, but I am looking at from the standpoint of those who haven't been playing eve for so many years..... |
Jack Be'Flippen
legionem Omega B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:38:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote: CCP MAKE DRONE SPACE USEFUL AGAIN PLEASE!!!
Amen Brother |
Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
10
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:43:00 -
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Drone alloys were taken out because it basicly killed mining especally null sec ores .. I like the concept as a general rule.. how to balance it.. is the question really. I have always felt each null sec should have a unique reason to be there.. as it stands now drone region really doesn't |
Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
32
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:51:00 -
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Their unique reason for existing was the alloys. The great benefit was that you didn't need to mine out there. But you had to have people who could build. Secondly it was work, you still had to pick up the loot and then transport it, which was dangerous. It most certainly had its draw backs. The only reason CCP got rid of them was because the russians were selling off all of their isk for RMT'ing and then high amounts of isk were cutting into their plex sales. They ruined our in game economy because of this. |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:07:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:Their unique reason for existing was the alloys. The great benefit was that you didn't need to mine out there. But you had to have people who could build. Secondly it was work, you still had to pick up the loot and then transport it, which was dangerous. It most certainly had its draw backs. The only reason CCP got rid of them was because the russians were selling off all of their isk for RMT'ing and then high amounts of isk were cutting into their plex sales. They ruined our in game economy because of this.
I detect a case of tinfoil hatness..
In other news.. why not just add rouge drone Faction/Deadspace loot and drops.. surely that will add some unique flavor and benifits..
I doubt miners want to see their mineral prices crash.. so no to bringing back alloys. -Bl+¦d
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2215
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:12:00 -
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While I hate paying more for ships as much as everyone else, I don't think ******* over the mining profession even more by nerfing their income is something anybody should be encouraging. That profession is already horribly boring and ridiculed. It needs dev love to be an interesting and profitable mechanic, not indirect nerfs.
If you just want drone alloys back in the game, I'd support them being added as a drop in special "drone haulers" that you can catch and kill, but regular combat rogue drones should only offer a bounty, not drop alloys. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:16:00 -
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they have already boosted the hell out of it. for null sec mining. people in high sec should not be rewarded for such little work and risk. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:38:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:they have already boosted the hell out of it. for null sec mining. people in high sec should not be rewarded for such little work and risk.
did u actually mine, its a **** ton of repetetive work in highsec then u make it out to be. Suiciders also are a risk but its alot saver than low, null i assume is pretty save again. |
Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:41:00 -
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i have 10 mining characters. if you are smart and know how to fit your ship and pay attention you wont have any issues. null sec is a different monster all together. |
Supreme clientele
ETERNAL WALTZ
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:32:00 -
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I condone this. |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:42:00 -
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drone alloys are not the way to stop drone space being bad. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:51:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:drone alloys are not the way to stop drone space being bad. Yeah, since even if they bring back the alloys, it still has the same locals hanging around |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
242
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Posted - 2013.10.10 06:44:00 -
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Funny thing is there were a few droners who wanted this change and were happy to get it. Saved the compression (normal or say 425 I rail making and melting) games, transporting the stuff, etc. These probably were the poorer lower sp players who didn't have a jf and pilot for it on standby lol.
I'd just be happy if they dropped some loot. I remember in delve making out pretty good. RT plates were still the way to go (no t2 plate change when out there) and they usually dropped at decent rates for me. Got my rat bounty and mods liie this for ship fits all in one go.
Empire side...no point to running drone missions anymore imo. No loot, salvage sucks ass too imo. I only do it just in case RNG gives me a kill faction mission later and I need my mission decline for the night for it. As I already had my fun in the past of repping faction standing and rather not relive it drones missions I run as their consequences suck less. Not a glaring endorsement for them basically.
Drone mineral poop we can debate about, but give them something. Bounties jsut don't cut it very well. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2221
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Posted - 2013.10.10 07:06:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:they have already boosted the hell out of it. for null sec mining. people in high sec should not be rewarded for such little work and risk.
I didn't say anything about high-sec, did I? I said the profession as a whole.
Improving the yield of certain asteroids is not a fix. It's a bandage that doesn't even cover the wound. It completely ignores the actual problem. The problem is that not only is mining unprofitable, it's BORING. It's an old, outdated, boring mechanic that is rightfully the bottom feeder profession of EVE. It's absolute **** in every form.
Mining needs to become an interactive experience that cannot be done AFK. It needs to be something visually appealing, with brilliant comets and ring mining, asteroids being cut into smaller pieces. It needs to be something dangerous, with real hazards just from breaking the rocks apart. It needs to have chances for failure based on how close you're paying attention. If you go afk and your mining laser strays onto useless dirt - that's all you'll get. Useless dirt. It should be a time sensitive situation, where you need to think fast and act fast, or you'll miss out on the profits.
Once mining is overhauled to become a challenging and exciting profession on par with combat, the rewards for it can be boosted significantly to compensate. You'll now have activity risk (exploding asteroids and gas clouds), profit risk (harvesting useless scrap because you didn't pay attention), player risk (ganks, thieves, etc), and the requirement to know what you're doing beyond picking the right crystal and timing when to turn off/on your strip miners.
When all that is done, when mining is a useful and enjoyable gaming experience (not an AFK experience), then I'll support bringing back drone alloys.
Until then, shut the **** up. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 07:25:00 -
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Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:In other news.. why not just add rouge drone Faction/Deadspace loot and drops.. surely that will add some unique flavor and benifits..
I love it! I've always thought my cheeks needed a little more color.
[srsbsnspost] Drone space isn't in great shape right now. But at least it's no longer murdering the rest of the economy, so that's still a positive step. A carrier + Noctis being able to mine more m3 of minerals per hour than a pair of Hulks could was ludicrous. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.10 21:36:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:In other news.. why not just add rouge drone Faction/Deadspace loot and drops.. surely that will add some unique flavor and benifits.. I love it! I've always thought my cheeks needed a little more color. [srsbsnspost] Drone space isn't in great shape right now. But at least it's no longer murdering the rest of the economy, so that's still a positive step. A carrier + Noctis being able to mine more m3 of minerals per hour than a pair of Hulks could was ludicrous.
a carrier and a noctis in null sec is way higher risk than two hulks in high sec.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
242
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:59:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:In other news.. why not just add rouge drone Faction/Deadspace loot and drops.. surely that will add some unique flavor and benifits.. I love it! I've always thought my cheeks needed a little more color. [srsbsnspost] Drone space isn't in great shape right now. But at least it's no longer murdering the rest of the economy, so that's still a positive step. A carrier + Noctis being able to mine more m3 of minerals per hour than a pair of Hulks could was ludicrous. a carrier and a noctis in null sec is way higher risk than two hulks in high sec.
that depends on location and time. I could rat in some parts of 0.0 and not see a neut for hours on end. Asia/oceanic can be a dead time which is what I am on.
Or if I got intel of them 5 systems out it was wrap it up, safe pos it and smoke em if you got em time. empire side you get lots of neuts and you don't know their intentions until they get froggy and leap.
Also lets be honest...you are talking about drone space. Not a popular roam spot. Its a bit off the usual roam routes. And a region well known for botters. PIta to get there and when you do go there you know the gtfo part of the scripts being used work pretty damn good. Not saying all droners bot....but you were not shocked to find them there. |
Aranel Zirachii
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:21:00 -
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One would think that if one did not know why they were removed one would research this before one makes a thread :) |
Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:23:00 -
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i infact know exactly why they were removed. i lived in drone space during this time and well before then. |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
40
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:36:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:In other news.. why not just add rouge drone Faction/Deadspace loot and drops.. surely that will add some unique flavor and benifits.. I love it! I've always thought my cheeks needed a little more color. [srsbsnspost] Drone space isn't in great shape right now. But at least it's no longer murdering the rest of the economy, so that's still a positive step. A carrier + Noctis being able to mine more m3 of minerals per hour than a pair of Hulks could was ludicrous. a carrier and a noctis in null sec is way higher risk than two hulks in high sec.
While I understand your point of view with the risk vs. reward thing, I think it is wrong to have a ship not specialized in harvesting minerals (in this case a carrier) to 'outmine' a ship specialized for the job (aka Hulk). -Bl+¦d
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Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:54:00 -
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Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:Khan Farshatok wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:In other news.. why not just add rouge drone Faction/Deadspace loot and drops.. surely that will add some unique flavor and benifits.. I love it! I've always thought my cheeks needed a little more color. [srsbsnspost] Drone space isn't in great shape right now. But at least it's no longer murdering the rest of the economy, so that's still a positive step. A carrier + Noctis being able to mine more m3 of minerals per hour than a pair of Hulks could was ludicrous. a carrier and a noctis in null sec is way higher risk than two hulks in high sec. While I understand your point of view with the risk vs. reward thing, I think it is wrong to have a ship not specialized in harvesting minerals (in this case a carrier) to 'outmine' a ship specialized for the job (aka Hulk).
i could see that point of view if mineral prices weren't so completely out of hand. the drone alloys them selves balanced it out. by increasing prices on minerals all you are doing is increasing the prices on ships which then reduces the amount of fights that happen. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4256
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:24:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:a carrier and a noctis in null sec is way higher risk than two hulks in high sec.
So? 2 Hulks in Nullsec is way higher risk than 2 Hulks in High Sec, but when Drone Poop was still around they weren't paid any better than the ones in HS, because the Carrier+Noctis was mining a greater volume of minerals than they were (also like 3 or 4 times the value of minerals, but that's beside the point).
CCP has explicitly stated that the Hulk is meant to be the king of mining yields. Why would they let an Archon and a Noctis continue to outstrip 2 Hulks.
Khan Farshatok wrote:i could see that point of view if mineral prices weren't so completely out of hand. the drone alloys them selves balanced it out. by increasing prices on minerals all you are doing is increasing the prices on ships which then reduces the amount of fights that happen.
What's your evidence to suggest that mineral prices are out of hand? They're higher now than when mining wasn't the primary method of producing them, sure, but why are you claiming that mining being the primary means of producing minerals is a bad thing? "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:02:00 -
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if you honestly cant see that mineral prices are out of hand then you havent been playing this game long enough for your opinion to matter at all.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
425
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:35:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:if you honestly cant see that mineral prices are out of hand then you havent been playing this game long enough for your opinion to matter at all.
Or possibly miners are actually getting some half way decent reward for their time. Mining is still by far the lowest paid profession in EVE & isn't an Isk faucet so doesn't even break the economy. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4257
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:36:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:if you honestly cant see that mineral prices are out of hand then you havent been playing this game long enough for your opinion to matter at all.
They're higher than they were when a Carrier was the best mining vessel in the game. That's certainly true. What evidence do you have to show that that is a problem?
And if you can show that, how does making a Carrier the best mining vessel in the game again fix the problem? "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
36
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:44:00 -
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i love how you are trying to call it a mining ship when all it is doing is killing npc's. i mean with that mentality we need to get rid of reprocessing loot from rats.
its a very simple calculation of risk over reward. putting a carrier and a noctis on the field in null sec is 3 times the risk of having two hulks in space in high sec. how should ones reward not be three times as much. as for mining being the least profitable, you have got to be insane. back when the prices of minerals were two thirds what they are now my 10 hulk pilots could turn out 5bil a day with me being lazy as hell. show me any 10 combined mission runners who even come close.
the only people who want to keep it the way it is are those who are making billions a day with no risk. there is nothing forcing them to go to null sec to make any real money. ccp has always said null's risk should always be out weighed by its reward over high sec. they have failed to do so in this instance. |
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