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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.10.16 15:40:00 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Gray, did your tanks have autoloaders?
They dont. Human loaders are better than auto loaders. Auto loaders are also a pain in the arse when it comes to maintenance.
There was a plan to fit some of the Mk IV Merkavas with auto loaders but the crews found it too difficult and preferred to go for the manual loading. Also it limits the shot locker. And in a battle the last thing you want is to find out you're out of munitions.
There other reason is of course the extra man can help out if the tank is disabled or provide extra eyes on the battlefield.
Additionally, the loader is usually the lowest on the ladder, and generally are the tea / coffee boy and impromptu chef.
Always made me sad that our command tanks never had a turret... meaning i could never take advantage of one. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.17 14:06:00 -
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Graygor wrote: Theres a good point in that.
Worst part of being a tanker was breaking down the ammo pallets for the shot locker. Some kind of suit might make that a lot more comfortable.
And ss for heavy artillery... those guys will love that.
A sustained artillery barrage is a hell of a work out.
Sadly I'm not sure if it would be great in an inclosed environment or one with a lot of underbrush for that matter. What I've seen in documentaries looks like a slightly ergonomic frame with hydraulics and such. It's not completely clunky and appears to provide a wide range of movement with no detectable lag, but I could still see it getting caught on things and causing damage to others in close quarters.
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Nuclear Xmas
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:38:00 -
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Hey guys, how do think we should resolve the debt crisis
Uhh, we need to be focusing on more important things...like iron man suits and lasers |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:21:00 -
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Nuclear Xmas wrote:Hey guys, how do think we should resolve the debt crisis
Uhh, we need to be focusing on more important things...like iron man suits and lasers
Don't forget the Air forces F-35 turd and the Navys various ship projects if you want to talk about out of control military spending. |
Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:15:00 -
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Nuclear Xmas wrote:Hey guys, how do think we should resolve the debt crisis
Uhh, we need to be focusing on more important things...like iron man suits and lasers
Well ironmen replace manpower and lasers are cheaper to use than missiles. Not to mention technology and scientific research is a significant and valuable trade resource.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:06:00 -
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Tanesha Kring wrote:Graygor wrote: Theres a good point in that.
Worst part of being a tanker was breaking down the ammo pallets for the shot locker. Some kind of suit might make that a lot more comfortable.
And ss for heavy artillery... those guys will love that.
A sustained artillery barrage is a hell of a work out.
Sadly I'm not sure if it would be great in an inclosed environment or one with a lot of underbrush for that matter. What I've seen in documentaries looks like a slightly ergonomic frame with hydraulics and such. It's not completely clunky and appears to provide a wide range of movement with no detectable lag, but I could still see it getting caught on things and causing damage to others in close quarters.
Not talking about enclosed spaces really. More like being outside of the tank and handing rounds to the loader. Its a nightmare hauling shells manually if the forklifts are busy. Not to mention breaking them down.
Artillery guys also need to be fed shells at a steady rate, greater strength means more loads you can carry.
For support, these kinds of suits could be very useful. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Tanesha Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.18 09:02:00 -
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Graygor wrote: Not talking about enclosed spaces really. More like being outside of the tank and handing rounds to the loader. Its a nightmare hauling shells manually if the forklifts are busy. Not to mention breaking them down.
Artillery guys also need to be fed shells at a steady rate, greater strength means more loads you can carry.
For support, these kinds of suits could be very useful.
Ah, yes I see now. That is the way I see it. Basically like when a friend of mine replaced the forklift when he was framing houses because he could lift and hold the frame while two others kept it balanced and they all could hammer it into place. Saved a lot of time for the crew since they didn't have to use the forklift which took considerably longer. With a mechanical suit, just about anyone could preform the same role. Civil engineers and air force enlisted would probably love something like this as well.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.10.19 06:21:00 -
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Shey Nabali wrote:As a soldier, I'm not terribly optimistic about projects like this. When I think about the places where we typicaly fight. (Dry, hot and dusty deserts, and hot humid jungles.) I'm reminded of how very very poorly sensitive electronics and computers and hydraulics tend to fare in EXACTLY those conditions.
Ya, high tech stuff is cool, and CAN be very usefull, but this **** just screams unreliable and maintenance nightmare. Exactly, keep it simple stupid is the best motto.
That's why in WW2 the Germans spent millions funding highly advanced missile systems that could barely hit a city. The Japanese built one that could hit a moving ship for only the price of a headband and a shot of rice wine.
Okay... maybe that's not the best example. |
Graygor
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Posted - 2013.10.19 08:10:00 -
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Tanesha Kring wrote:Graygor wrote: Not talking about enclosed spaces really. More like being outside of the tank and handing rounds to the loader. Its a nightmare hauling shells manually if the forklifts are busy. Not to mention breaking them down.
Artillery guys also need to be fed shells at a steady rate, greater strength means more loads you can carry.
For support, these kinds of suits could be very useful.
Ah, yes I see now. That is the way I see it. Basically like when a friend of mine replaced the forklift when he was framing houses because he could lift and hold the frame while two others kept it balanced and they all could hammer it into place. Saved a lot of time for the crew since they didn't have to use the forklift which took considerably longer. With a mechanical suit, just about anyone could preform the same role. Civil engineers and air force enlisted would probably love something like this as well.
We're going to end up with the orange construction mechs from Patlabor before we know it. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
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Posted - 2013.10.19 09:37:00 -
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Graygor wrote: We're going to end up with the orange construction mechs from Patlabor before we know it.
You remind me of the Cargo-loader mechsuits from Alien. Those yellow ones. Always found that approach to mechs the most likely one, using it for heavy loadings as heavy forklift-trucks can have issues with oddly shaped heavy loads and with narrow/limited spaces. Aurora Arcology Project Newsfeed |
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