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Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.10.13 17:53:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Kate stark wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Kate stark wrote: except plex is given to any player in exchange for a sum of real life currency. plex isn't given out "just because" and only limited to people ccp want to give it to, unlike the scorpions.
stop comparing apples to oranges.
You should inform yourself better about what's given "just because" and what's not. There's more than Somer in this game and the prizes given through the years are more than PLEXes. it doesn't matter who did and didn't get prizes. the entire process of handing out billions of isk of in-game assets with no defined criteria is bad regardless of who did and didn't get things. Sure but that does not change that when I write stuff, it's for a reason. And if you make exceptions, you have to be ready to know more than I do or know what they give first hand, like I do.
i didn't make any exceptions.
i just pointed out scorpions are not plex, and that a bad idea was bad. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1941
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:02:00 -
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Kalindra Chan wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Jimmy Farrere wrote: Buy Plex ($$$)-> convert to isk (game money)-> convert to blink credit (casino chips)-> gamble
One difference. You can convert casino chips back into real money. You can't do that with blink credit. (and you can't do it with ISK, either). You can actually and most people do, although it is legalized by CCP and part of the game for a long time. It is called buying a GTC, convert it into a PLEX and sell it. So i am paying your subscription for 30 days and you give me isk for that. I can live with that though, because it doesnt matter who pays CCP the monthly subscription for the active account. I have to admit, i am buying plexes too and sell them, because i am earning much more money in real life in one hour than i make isk per hour in game. When i would break that mark i would stop selling plexes and buy them instead. The plex thing is still not good, because it takes away so much from that game what it makes it worth playing, but well so it is. But i have to agree with one thing here, those aspects as important as they may be for this discussion here, are getting more and more off topic. Sorry for that!
I have a billion ISK. Tell me how I can convert that into real money please?
Oh, and I've already plexed my accounts for the next year.
You see my point?
There's no transfer into real money. Not having to pay for accounts isn't the same as conversion into real money.
Bear in mind I'm not talking about the commission someone can get for GTC sales. That's a totally different matter. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Jimmy Farrere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:09:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
I have a billion ISK. Tell me how I can convert that into real money please?
Oh, and I've already plexed my accounts for the next year.
You see my point?
There's no transfer into real money. Not having to pay for accounts isn't the same as conversion into real money.
Bear in mind I'm not talking about the commission someone can get for GTC sales. That's a totally different matter.
You can't, and that's why no-one is accusing you of being involved in RMT. If you are SOMER Blink however you bundle the isk up with a GTC and sell it. |
Rammix
TheMurk
88
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:11:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote: You actually think the 5 unique ships, worth many times more than the IWSs, that were gifted to Somer are not part of this discussion?
Don't bend my words and thoughts. Those 5 ships ARE important, but THIS topic was NOT about them. People may mention whatever they want, but in any topic the OP makes the theme and what is out of the OP's line - is an offtopic.
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:OP - sentence 2: CCP Guard wrote:There was also the matter of a recent special lottery event at SOMER Blink that CCP supported by contributing rare ships as prizes. OK? Obviously it's just a side note. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1941
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:22:00 -
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Jimmy Farrere wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:
I have a billion ISK. Tell me how I can convert that into real money please?
Oh, and I've already plexed my accounts for the next year.
You see my point?
There's no transfer into real money. Not having to pay for accounts isn't the same as conversion into real money.
Bear in mind I'm not talking about the commission someone can get for GTC sales. That's a totally different matter.
You can't, and that's why no-one is accusing you of being involved in RMT. If you are SOMER Blink however you bundle the isk up with a GTC and sell it.
Not quite.
The sale is made by Markee Dragon. They pass a little money to Somer as a commission for that. Markee Dragon also gives the buyer a code that they can redeem with Blink for Blink Credit. (You can't cash out directly. you have to win something.)
I'm not justifying it one way or another. Just clarifying. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
StuckAtTheLock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:56:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not quite.
The sale is made by Markee Dragon. They pass a little money to Somer as a commission for that. Markee Dragon also gives the buyer a code that they can redeem with Blink for Blink Credit. (You can't cash out directly. you have to win something.)
I'm not justifying it one way or another. Just clarifying.
For the 100th time, it doesn't matter how many steps are in the process- you still get isk out of it, it is still RMT.
If RMT sites offered 'RMTSite.com credit' that you could convert to isk through bidding on billion isk packages, would that make it ok? No. There really isn't any grey line here, somer is converting his extra isk to cash by giving it away if you buy GTC from him. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4397
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Posted - 2013.10.13 19:11:00 -
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Kate stark wrote: i didn't make any exceptions.
i just pointed out scorpions are not plex, and that a bad idea was bad.
And I just pointed out how PLEX are a non ISK faucet like scorpions are, and did not say it was a good idea. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
278
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Posted - 2013.10.13 20:24:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Ruskarn Andedare wrote: You actually think the 5 unique ships, worth many times more than the IWSs, that were gifted to Somer are not part of this discussion?
Don't bend my words and thoughts. Those 5 ships ARE important, but THIS topic was NOT about them. People may mention whatever they want, but in any topic the OP makes the theme and what is out of the OP's line - is an offtopic. edit Oh, whatever. Tired of this meaningless dispute. Gifts to somer are bad, public advertisement of somer by ccp is bad. That's all I really had to say.
Hey, chill, wasn't an attack - just pointing out the OP had put them in the topic |
Kate stark
618
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Posted - 2013.10.13 20:30:00 -
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monday tomorrow. wonder if CCP will have anything new to say to us. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2013.10.13 20:54:00 -
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I was wondering,
If CCP want to :
- continue to associate with a gambling site - endorse gambling - continue to 'white knight" a gambling site - continue to support a gambling site - vouch for a gambling site
then shouldn't Eve then be / become an adults only game, ( for those over 18 / 21 )?
Is there some sort of real life law / legal requirement if CCP continue to support Somer, ( or any other Eve related gambling site )?
To clarify, I absolutely do not support Somer, infact I believe it's a scam and that it's involved in RMT. I would like to see CCP to stop associating / "white knighting" / supporting / vouching for what is a parasitic site.
CCP, please be logical and try to maintain what little intregrity you have left. Please, do not choose money over integrity. Please disassociate yourself from Somer. |
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
2337
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Posted - 2013.10.13 21:05:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
And I just pointed out how PLEX are a non ISK faucet like scorpions are, and did not say it was a good idea.
Scorpions aren't an isk faucet either - isk faucets are mechanics spawning isk into eves economy out of nothing, such as bounties, mission rewards, blue loot or insurance.
However, due to the fact they can't be built by players, their supply can't be predicted by supply and demand, but arbitrary 'community' team decisions, rendering them highly volatile speculation objects, ending up as completely disconnected to a player driven economy.
Now the people winning them at the poker tournament might have thought they received unique items.
When the Somer team realized they successfully scammed CCP, they decided to keep it secret because they knew an RMT gambling site receiving them for doing what an RMT gambling site does would let their value plummet.
Somer actually profits from CCPs system both ways - newbs buy plex from them because they get an additional chance to win that oh-so expensive ship, bittervets use it to cash out at least a fraction of the isk they invested.
The dividend goes to Somer with the typical casino 'zero - bank wins' percentage as an icing on the cake.
Good Job Somer., CCP fell for it, pass the cost on to the user and end up rewarding Somer for it twice in a row...
Wow - just wow...
And I thought I was a drunk moron. You know... morons. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.10.13 21:52:00 -
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2 personal attack posts, an off-topic post, a ranting post, and a moderation discussion post have been removed.
Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Forum rule 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Forum rule 3. Ranting is prohibited. Forum rule 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:29:00 -
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Synthetic Cultist wrote:CCP Guard wrote: Should we stick to out-of-game things only? Create non-transferrable in-game items as rewards? Give no personal rewards and only prizes? Only items below a certain expected ISK value? Always give out tons of stuff at once so early recipients canGÇÖt cash out? List all rewards publicly?
ThatGÇÖs it for now, let us know your thoughts.
Items such as the memorabilia things in the "time capsule", would reward people with a permanent reminder of their impact on the EVE world. Those things like the "Piece of Steve", relating to the first Titan shot down, or the "Assassination Contract - Mirial", or the "Band of Brothers Director Key". Souvenir items that don't do anything much ingame, beside exist. Those sorts of items would be perfectly fine, to reward people for contributing. Or inspace monuments, such as was done in the past, e.g. the Jita Monument originally commemorated a competition between players, yes ? Monuments and souvenir items, people would have far fewer issues with, than things that have a definable ISK value.
Kinda late, but posting to say I like this approach. I like the idea of in-game rewards, but I'm not comfortable with giving out stuff that has ISK value. The above seems like a good solution. |
Rammix
TheMurk
89
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:36:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Synthetic Cultist wrote:CCP Guard wrote: Should we stick to out-of-game things only? Create non-transferrable in-game items as rewards? Give no personal rewards and only prizes? Only items below a certain expected ISK value? Always give out tons of stuff at once so early recipients canGÇÖt cash out? List all rewards publicly?
ThatGÇÖs it for now, let us know your thoughts.
Items such as the memorabilia things in the "time capsule", would reward people with a permanent reminder of their impact on the EVE world. Those things like the "Piece of Steve", relating to the first Titan shot down, or the "Assassination Contract - Mirial", or the "Band of Brothers Director Key". Souvenir items that don't do anything much ingame, beside exist. Those sorts of items would be perfectly fine, to reward people for contributing. Or inspace monuments, such as was done in the past, e.g. the Jita Monument originally commemorated a competition between players, yes ? Monuments and souvenir items, people would have far fewer issues with, than things that have a definable ISK value. Kinda late, but posting to say I like this approach. I like the idea of in-game rewards, but I'm not comfortable with giving out stuff that has ISK value. The above seems like a good solution. Yeah, right. And to try to draw attention once more: drones deserve a monument. They've done much more than somer, BTW. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4397
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:44:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
And I just pointed out how PLEX are a non ISK faucet like scorpions are, and did not say it was a good idea.
Scorpions aren't an isk faucet either - isk faucets are mechanics spawning isk into eves economy out of nothing, such as bounties, mission rewards, blue loot or insurance.
I think you misread my statement and it's my fault because of my poor English. I should have written:
"And I just pointed out how PLEX are a non ISK faucet like scorpions are (not an ISK faucet), and did not say it was a good idea."
In my tongue the parenthesis bit may be omitted and is implied. I realize English might work differently than that.
Large Collidable Object wrote: However, due to the fact they can't be built by players, their supply can't be predicted by supply and demand, but arbitrary 'community' team decisions, rendering them highly volatile speculation objects, ending up as completely disconnected to a player driven economy.
And here you are technically wrong. Everything, even State Ravens are subject to supply and demand PLUS speculation. Speculation is not exactly an heterogenous factor vs supply and demand, it's an emotional factor that overlays them.
The given ships just happen to have a much bigger speculation component than normal and thus higher emotional factor affecting supply and demand. Demand trending to +infinite while supply is small and finite. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Sean DT
Revered Mining Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.10.14 00:45:00 -
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sally Deninard wrote:I really still am no clearer on this matter at all. The problem of the scorpions is that the award could be classed as "over the top and plain odd " as compared to other in game organisations. Eve uni for example does good things.... but you don`t give EVERY SINGLE eve uni member a free ship.
As for the lottery, much the same. You effectively custom skinned a ship for SOMER, it`s just over the top and makes it smell of corruption. The fanfest prizes too, each trip could fund Eve radio(which relies on paying subscribers to survive) for months. It just seems odd?
This is my most major question. Some players could not compete on the somer site due to somers own 3rd party toc`s and banning. The CSM told you this and you ignored them indirectly shutting out the opportunity to win these prizes. Why did you ignore the csm on this matter and what are you going to do for the players that could not compete on the somer site?
to quote from the csm thread "However, the requirement that one must be a member of SOMER Blink in order to participate remains, and for a lottery with such significant prizes, is very troubling to us. Furthermore, the structure of the lottery, which encourages and rewards extensive use of SOMER Blink, may raise legal concerns in some jurisdictions. For example, in the United States, commercial lotteries cannot require the purchase of a product or service in order to receive an entry.
For this reason, we strongly suggest that the entry mechanic be adjusted as follows:
1) Members of SOMER Blink are automatically entered into the lottery and receive one ticket, regardless of how much they use the site.
2) An alternate method (such as posting in a particular thread) be used to allow people to enter who do not wish to become a member of SOMER Blink."
Wow I feel dizzy now. I actually managed to read through all 31 pages of this thread! I don't have a very big beef with CCP handing out these rewards, or with Somer (I play there, loose and win a lot of ISK although sadly mostly loose). I think it's great to see the many thoughtful and considered replies from CCP through CCP Guard, thanks for that!
I do feel that 3 of the most interesting posts in this entire 31 page thread have been overlooked by CCP Guard (understandably so).
The post I find most interesting and relevant in the thread and which have not been addressed by CCP yet are:
Page 1: Maximus Andendare #3Posted: 2013.10.10 18:38
Page 9: Sally Deninard #174Posted: 2013.10.10 21:44 (the post I have quoted above).
Page 12: Kuni Oichi #232Posted: 2013.10.11 01:10
Most of the posts in the 31 page thread have been answered repeatedly and patiently by CCP Guard but there are several points in the 3 posts mentioned above that have not been answered yet .
I think it would be really interesting if CCP Guard or CCP could give an answer (boiled down) to the points in these 3 posts . I would be really curious to see it, thanks! :-)
And lastly, thanks for a great game, for providing support to community events (even if improvements can be made), and for taking the time to address player concerns in a thread like this! o7
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Lelira Cirim
EVE University Ivy League
108
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:43:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote: ...List all rewards publicly?... -snip- Secretly...nothing. And what we've given out as rewards or prizes doesn't generally come in big bundles which is one of the key reasons eyebrows were raised over this incident.
It's worth keeping in mind that Internal Affairs has complete oversight over every single item spawned or transferred on our server and monitors all staff account activity closely as is their purpose.
I think a public list of all rewards is definitely the next logical step, and the IA department would seem to be the right ones to make it available. Make it so.
There is no reason the gift needs to be private, but what people do with their rewards is their business. "X to SOMER Blink (corporation); Quantity Y; Reason: Z" should be the end of it. That is probably very much the same data as the "ticket" request to spawn the items in the first place.
I don't especially care that they allocated one ship per employee, but since that appears to be exactly how the numbers are chosen, the reason can reflect "Y employees".
Digital items are duty-free. I can't imagine the sheer expense and logistical nightmare of only out-of-game rewards. Whose responsibility is it to ship them? Nothing besides CCP to each (worldwide) player makes any sense. How much overhead will it add to the company to deal with claims of lost items, undelivered and returned packages... that will simply drive costs up in the long run and reduce the frequency that rewards are given. Do not actively tank my patience. |
Lelira Cirim
EVE University Ivy League
108
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:58:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Any form of legal RMT will provoke much more botting, macrosing etc activity. People should keep their RL business out of game worlds. If there are some games that allow RMT for players - those games are sh*t, I'm absolutely sure. When people mix their RL income with online sandbox-style game - you can't keep healthy virtual world. Wot, are you saying Second Life isn't a healthy virtual world? That's what's behind the captain's quarters door you know. First comes the bar you can hang out at, then come drink recipes and crafting Quafe, visiting a tailor and making your own clothing designs... and from there it's just a short slippery slope to flying furries and StarFox Online. Do not actively tank my patience. |
Sean DT
Revered Mining Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:00:00 -
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Iosue wrote:as others have hinted at, i suspect this has more to do with the encouragement of a third-party site that brings revenue to ccp via plex sales, than anything else. if this is true, i think it should be approached in a different way. rather than calling it a reward, which implies that the recipient is receiving something for a good or noble deed, call it what it is: compensation.
there's nothing wrong with compensating those that help you improve your bottom line. but why not offer something that they really want and is more in line with compensation, like cash. this way you don't effect the game economy at all and are able to give the recipient something they really value. there's a reason bonus's work so well at encouraging certain behaviors in the real world, because people like money.
I actually agree very much with the above statement by losue. I do think a lot of sites give more back to EVE than Somer Blink does and thus are more deserving of in-game 'rewards' (which I think is a nice concept), but Somer Blink definitely without a single doubt are very very good at pushing the sale of GTC through Markee Dragon and as such helps bring in income for CCP, and I think that if CCP wants to compensate them for this, then yes they deserve it and CCP should be more than free to do this.
I just think a spoon should be called a spoon, in which case I doubt there would have been the same kind of 'drama' :-) |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:38:00 -
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Sean DT wrote:Iosue wrote:as others have hinted at, i suspect this has more to do with the encouragement of a third-party site that brings revenue to ccp via plex sales, than anything else. if this is true, i think it should be approached in a different way. rather than calling it a reward, which implies that the recipient is receiving something for a good or noble deed, call it what it is: compensation.
there's nothing wrong with compensating those that help you improve your bottom line. but why not offer something that they really want and is more in line with compensation, like cash. this way you don't effect the game economy at all and are able to give the recipient something they really value. there's a reason bonus's work so well at encouraging certain behaviors in the real world, because people like money. I actually agree very much with the above statement by losue. I do think a lot of sites give more back to EVE than Somer Blink does, relative to what they gain from it, and thus are more deserving of in-game 'rewards' (which I think is a nice concept), but Somer Blink definitely without a single doubt are very very good at pushing the sale of GTC through Markee Dragon and as such helps bring in income for CCP, and I think that if CCP wants to compensate them for this, then yes they deserve it and CCP should be more than free to do this.I just think a spoon should be called a spoon, in which case I doubt there would have been the same kind of 'drama' :-)
I'm sorry, but I have to totally disagree with you.
Somer might be a means for more cash revenue for CCP, but rewarding / supporting a player run gambling site is not the correct way to do so.
Supporting Somer with in game rewards hurts the sandbox that Eve is.
Supporting Somer with any out of game rewards is not right. It endorses gambling.
Yes, my statement is weak and full of holes. I just don't know how to put it in words how wrong supporting, ( for what is, a scam and a RMT opportunity for Somer ), a player run gambling site is.
And the way you have commented on this, well it seems to be a way to RMT. |
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Pingu
Cosmos Butt Pirates
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Posted - 2013.10.14 05:43:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:The rewards for the SOMER Blink staff was around three times larger than the one to the SCL staff but thatGÇÖs because they have three times the staff. In both cases everyone got one each.
I dont want to break any rumourmongering rule so...
This statement by a CCP employee states that the rewards are based on the levels of staff, is this the current policy and now that this policy is known by the playerbase and open to rather easy manipulation will it change?
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Miss Ladybird
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:00:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:2 personal attack posts, an off-topic post, a ranting post, and a moderation discussion post have been removed.
Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Forum rule 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Forum rule 3. Ranting is prohibited. Forum rule 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
Hundreds of posts later, and this is the first sign of any involvement from CCP.
It is just funny how they are happy to make the community outraged just so SOMERblink, an already filthy rich gambling scam, can get an extra few hundred billion isk (for free and spawned form nothing).
Can we have some kind of response?
We deserve a response... And one focusing on the issues we are discussing. Not another lame commitment to agenda this at the winter summit. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
406
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:15:00 -
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So, how are we comming along or are CCP still hoping this is going to blow over and all will be right with Eve once more ? |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:24:00 -
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Miss Ladybird wrote:
It is just funny how they are happy to make the community outraged just so SOMERblink, an already filthy rich gambling scam, can get an extra few hundred billion isk (for free and spawned form nothing).
Can we have some kind of response?
We deserve a response... And one focusing on the issues we are discussing. Not another lame commitment to agenda this at the winter summit.
Can you please stop saying Somer have been given isk for free and spawned from nothing. They haven't and its confusing the very legitimate concerns the player base has. |
Miss Ladybird
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:29:00 -
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Well, hundreds of players have commented now with next to no CCP response.
In their frustration players are now showing anger in their posts, and breaking the EULA and CCP are deleting posts (and remaining silent).
I honestly feel like I have put more effort into this debate than any single member of CCP. How can nobody at CCP feel the same as I do about this?
I think I have already stomached as much of this as I can for one day. Ill check back again tomorrow.
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Miss Ladybird
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:32:00 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Miss Ladybird wrote:
It is just funny how they are happy to make the community outraged just so SOMERblink, an already filthy rich gambling scam, can get an extra few hundred billion isk (for free and spawned form nothing).
Can we have some kind of response?
We deserve a response... And one focusing on the issues we are discussing. Not another lame commitment to agenda this at the winter summit.
Can you please stop saying Somer have been given isk for free and spawned from nothing. They haven't and its confusing the very legitimate concerns the player base has.
lawl SOMERalt....
I forgot the iscorps were worth 30 trit (reprocess value).
And I doubt the sustained and continuing CCP campaign to advertise and promote SOMERblink has increased its gambling takings at all. |
Rammix
TheMurk
89
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:42:00 -
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Second Life is not a game, it's a social network.
"When people mix their RL income with online sandbox-style game - you can't keep healthy virtual world." Obviously I was talking about keeping a virtual gaming world healthy. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 |
Rammix
TheMurk
89
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:48:00 -
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Miss Ladybird wrote:CCP are deleting posts
ISD are not CCP. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:54:00 -
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Miss Ladybird wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Miss Ladybird wrote:
It is just funny how they are happy to make the community outraged just so SOMERblink, an already filthy rich gambling scam, can get an extra few hundred billion isk (for free and spawned form nothing).
Can we have some kind of response?
We deserve a response... And one focusing on the issues we are discussing. Not another lame commitment to agenda this at the winter summit.
Can you please stop saying Somer have been given isk for free and spawned from nothing. They haven't and its confusing the very legitimate concerns the player base has. lawl SOMERalt.... I forgot the iscorps were worth 30 trit (reprocess value). And I doubt the sustained and continuing CCP campaign to advertise and promote SOMERblink has increased its gambling takings at all.
Nope, not interested in playing Somerblink.
You however do not understand the legitimate concerns being raised by the player base. No ISK was spawned, that doesn't mean CCP favoring Somer isn't an issue. I suggest you re-read the thread. |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:00:00 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Miss Ladybird wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Miss Ladybird wrote:
It is just funny how they are happy to make the community outraged just so SOMERblink, an already filthy rich gambling scam, can get an extra few hundred billion isk (for free and spawned form nothing).
Can we have some kind of response?
We deserve a response... And one focusing on the issues we are discussing. Not another lame commitment to agenda this at the winter summit.
Can you please stop saying Somer have been given isk for free and spawned from nothing. They haven't and its confusing the very legitimate concerns the player base has. lawl SOMERalt.... I forgot the iscorps were worth 30 trit (reprocess value). And I doubt the sustained and continuing CCP campaign to advertise and promote SOMERblink has increased its gambling takings at all. Nope, not interested in playing Somerblink. You however do not understand the legitimate concerns being raised by the player base. No ISK was spawned, that doesn't mean CCP favoring Somer isn't an issue. I suggest you re-read the thread.
The only legitimate concern in this thread is the illegitimacy of the gambling websites and the illegitimate spotlighting and rewarding of them by CCP.
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