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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2601
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:24:00 -
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Kirren D'marr wrote:As part of a solution, I would be interested to see CCP answer the following questions:
1. Will any and all EVE accounts associated with the SOMER Blink corporation/website be shut down for EULA violations (engaging in RMT and/or using EVE accounts for business purposes)?
2. Will any gifts to SOMER Blink members/employees be reversed (gifted ships confiscated if still in their posession, or if not, the ISK value they were sold for removed; ISK funds received from players for the EVE Vegas lottery removed)?
3. Will Markee Dragon's EVE account be banned for using it to promote a business, and will the MD site be removed as an EVE GTC reseller?
4. Will investigations be conducted into all EVE players/organizations/websites running operations similar to SOMER Blink, and if they are also found to be in violation of the EULA, will appropriate disciplinary action be taken?
5. Will any CCP employees who are proven to have demonstrated favoritism towards SOMER Blink (or any other player/group of players), or whose dealings with such groups have been less than above board, be subject to appropriate disciplinary action? If warranted, would such action potentially include termination of employment?
6. Will all of the above be carried out with transparency to the playerbase as a whole?
Now, I'm not expecting CCP to answer each and every one of these questions in the affirmative, nor am I demanding it. I am however interested to see just how much they are willing to do to try to correct this situation, and I think their answers to these questions (as well as whether or not their actions confirm the answers) would be very telling in that regard, one way or the other.
Basically, I am looking at thes questions as a sort of gauge of CCP to measure 1) how bad they believe this situation is, and 2) how far they are willing to go to fix it (not far enough? too far?).
If the CSM and CCP are still actually going through with the surveys they promised weeks ago, then it may be a good idea to put these sorts of questions on the survey to gauge the player's expectations of what constitutes appropriate action and resolution (I'm not saying the players' opinions would be 100% right, but it would give CCP a guide as to what players are willing to accept as a solution).
answer to all of the above: no
sandbox more like litterbox
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2785
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:30:00 -
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Kirren D'marr wrote:As part of a solution, I would be interested to see CCP answer the following questions:
1. Will any and all EVE accounts associated with the SOMER Blink corporation/website be shut down for EULA violations (engaging in RMT and/or using EVE accounts for business purposes)?
2. Will any gifts to SOMER Blink members/employees be reversed (gifted ships confiscated if still in their posession, or if not, the ISK value they were sold for removed; ISK funds received from players for the EVE Vegas lottery removed)?
3. Will Markee Dragon's EVE account be banned for using it to promote a business, and will the MD site be removed as an EVE GTC reseller?
4. Will investigations be conducted into all EVE players/organizations/websites running operations similar to SOMER Blink, and if they are also found to be in violation of the EULA, will appropriate disciplinary action be taken?
5. Will any CCP employees who are proven to have demonstrated favoritism towards SOMER Blink (or any other player/group of players), or whose dealings with such groups have been less than above board, be subject to appropriate disciplinary action? If warranted, would such action potentially include termination of employment?
6. Will all of the above be carried out with transparency to the playerbase as a whole?
Now, I'm not expecting CCP to answer each and every one of these questions in the affirmative, nor am I demanding it. I am however interested to see just how much they are willing to do to try to correct this situation, and I think their answers to these questions (as well as whether or not their actions confirm the answers) would be very telling in that regard, one way or the other.
Basically, I am looking at thes questions as a sort of gauge of CCP to measure 1) how bad they believe this situation is, and 2) how far they are willing to go to fix it (not far enough? too far?).
If the CSM and CCP are still actually going through with the surveys they promised weeks ago, then it may be a good idea to put these sorts of questions on the survey to gauge the player's expectations of what constitutes appropriate action and resolution (I'm not saying the players' opinions would be 100% right, but it would give CCP a guide as to what players are willing to accept as a solution). 1) No. Why would they be? CCP, as an organization, knew about and encouraged it. The e-mail that went out giving them X days to stop selling GTCs w/ ISK incentives was the equivalent of a "warning" and that's as far as it will go. SOMER and CCP have had a good personal relationship. No one at CCP is going to mess with that. Zero chance of bans.
2) No. It's too late. Those items have already traded hands too many times.
3) No. See #1
4) Investigations: Maybe. Actions? I doubt it. See #1
5) The favoritism has already been established. That's been shown already. That's why these threads started popping up. Termination of employment? Are you mental? Maybe they'll get an e-mail with the revised policy. That's about it.
Kirren D'marr wrote:6. Will all of the above be carried out with transparency to the playerbase as a whole? 6) That's the million ISK question. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
35
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:00:00 -
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I never understood the allure of Blink... I equate it to crack... never smoked either though, so nevermind. Seems to me like it encourages playing Blink more than Eve Online... certainly a better way to make ISK. Then you gotta buy a character to use all the cool stuff you just won - or wait to fly/anchor all of it ... or sell it.
PLEX already toes the line, imo.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2787
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:30:00 -
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Well... f***. Talk about a big F-U.
SOMER is now offering a Billion if you buy a GTC through him. imgur screen or check his site yourself.
With this and the terrible event... I think I need a break from this game for a good while.
Nice work CCP. What a let down. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
580
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:08:00 -
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So they stopped but are still tracking data for "future bonuses".
No one can stop the data tracking of course, but this just makes it sound like they are planning to try and subvert the EULA via a loophole or something.
Personally, I think people should support all of the other lotteries out there that stopped the bonus activity immediately. Competition is good and these lotteries are more deserving of your business.
Why not set up a third party website, where lottery/gambling sites register a their api keys and certain financial data is made public to the community? A watchdog site?
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Kate stark
826
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:28:00 -
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[obligatory "still no response from ccp" post] |
The Legendary Soldier
For the Love of Ore
297
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:19:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:[obligatory "still no response from ccp" post]
+1 |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:23:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:So they stopped but are still tracking data for "future bonuses".
No one can stop the data tracking of course, but this just makes it sound like they are planning to try and subvert the EULA via a loophole or something.
Personally, I think people should support all of the other lotteries out there that stopped the bonus activity immediately. Competition is good and these lotteries are more deserving of your business.
Why not set up a third party website, where lottery/gambling sites register a their api keys and certain financial data is made public to the community? A watchdog site?
If they have explicitly stated they are going to have "future bonuses" then their accounts need banning for admitting they are going to circumvent the EULA and continue RMTing |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
580
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:27:00 -
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Grats to CCP for running a poorly conceived live event while we await some statement on this. A live event that apparently had little to do with the upcoming expansion (someone correct me if I am wrong on this).
One word: messaging.
Live events are great - but should be limited to PVE exercises that promote the backstory. What would you have done if you flew into 0.0 and did not get a fight? Would you have dropped bloody SBU's and started claiming sov? Would you have killed capitals? Super capitals? .
I mean, I understand I am being a little rhetorical here and you probably had rules of engagement, but the need to have such rules makes you ineffective for leading fleets of high sec people into 0.0. There are entities who have taken up this cause already! It's like your "classes". Why do player groups have to compete against CCP and SOMERblink.
Is this a sandbox or is it CCP's and SOMER's private playground. Please let me know. I feel like I am playing a game on a damn player run server half the time anymore.
If you want to much around in 0.0 then fix the mechanics.
All I see is way too much evidence that devs would rather be players and not enough devs wanting to be devs.
Please, just get out of the sandbox. |
Kate stark
831
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:14:00 -
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Is it safe to say that this thread is now a monologue rather than the dialogue we hoped it would be? |
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Frying Doom
3270
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:24:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Is it safe to say that this thread is now a monologue rather than the dialogue we hoped it would be? Maybe someone should send CCP a dictionary with that word highlighted. |
Kate stark
831
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:26:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Kate stark wrote:Is it safe to say that this thread is now a monologue rather than the dialogue we hoped it would be? Maybe someone should send CCP a dictionary with that word highlighted. I feel like that would be akin to sending a starving man a book by Delia Smith. |
The Legendary Soldier
For the Love of Ore
298
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:08:00 -
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If I had ignored angry customers this long, I would now be looking for a new job.... |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
501
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:32:00 -
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The longer we stew the more you tend to **** us off. The sad part is you know you have no right answer to this and it is either save you friend somer who paid for your free trip to vegas or save the sand box. I guess after the last live event and how f!@# up it was you are leaning towards letting somer off the hook. To bad you could have done so much more. Hey the rubicon funny video was a winner and a waste of my time. Give an answer please. |
Skeito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:01:00 -
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After getting a subs running out mail and contacting them saying why my sub was been left to run out, I was interested in the reply that I got back from a GM which basically said that from now on, these incentives offered by Somer are not exactly illegal/outlawed/call it what you will, more a case of you now need CCP permission to be able to do it.
I just find that strange and very worrying and am hoping that the GM just had a bad day doing petitions and just worded it wrongly. |
Skeito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:04:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:So they stopped but are still tracking data for "future bonuses".
No one can stop the data tracking of course, but this just makes it sound like they are planning to try and subvert the EULA via a loophole or something.
Personally, I think people should support all of the other lotteries out there that stopped the bonus activity immediately. Competition is good and these lotteries are more deserving of your business.
Why not set up a third party website, where lottery/gambling sites register a their api keys and certain financial data is made public to the community? A watchdog site?
as per my previous post, it seems as though if you ask for CCP permission to do this, it may be allowed in the future. |
The Legendary Soldier
For the Love of Ore
298
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:05:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote: Why not set up a third party website, where lottery/gambling sites register a their api keys and certain financial data is made public to the community? A watchdog site?
Although there is a question of honesty, that is not the biggest question.
ALL lotteries make money - whether honest or not.
WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO?
It seemed clear that CCP were not going to do the right thing because it was right.
Only a lot of bad publicity, or mass un-subscriptions would force them.
Sadly most people don't think this matters, so there is not enough force. At least now, we know we are dealing with an entity that has no integrity, and can be bought at the right price.
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Frying Doom
3346
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:53:00 -
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I see CCP still has not responded and is back to removing things it does not like from the forums. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:26:00 -
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Originally posted on 16/10/2013, Post 714,
Deka Ekato wrote:CCP / CSM, "In regards to the CSM / CCP survey" - Have you addressed the issues? A : No. You have only addressed your own business concerns. - Do you know what the issues are? It seems you are turning a blind eye, ignoring your customers. Just for a few, ( hell, alot ) dollars more - This is the best course of action you can come up with in trying to fix this issue? ( I don't think you are trying to fix anything at all ) Sad, pathetic and disgusting. You are absolutely ######### on your customers. ( You can use any "mean" word to fill in the blank ) Somer, CCP's proxy Aurum store. Brought to you by "Greed is Good" and Somer Blink, ( wearing his designer jeans and monocle, and a wide smile )
- Seriously CCP, how many working days do you need to formulate a response to your customer concerns regarding Somer? - Are you ever going to give an answer to these concerns?
- The so called "survey" as mentioned by your proxy PR Department, ( the CSM ), is not an answer, nor is it in any way a way to solve the issues.
Has CCP reached the point where they don't want customers, they just simply want your money?
Hey CSM members, where the hell are you??????????????
CCP, IMO, you no longer have any integrity. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
519
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:12:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I see CCP still has not responded and is back to removing things it does not like from the forums.
And now we have GMs interfering because of DUST players.
EvE Online, so hardcore it comes with a free stuffed animal.
Wait, where's my stuffed animal?
WHERE THE F*** IS MY STUFFED ANIMAL CCP?! |
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Frying Doom
3353
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:32:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I see CCP still has not responded and is back to removing things it does not like from the forums.
And now we have GMs interfering because of DUST players.
EvE Online, so hardcore it comes with a free stuffed animal. Wait, where's my stuffed animal? WHERE THE F*** IS MY STUFFED ANIMAL CCP?! You just have to petition CCP
They get out everything these days
Skill Points, the ability to run a business, everything. Including stuffed animals Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
12
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:00:00 -
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This has been a disgrace from the start. What a horrible way to run a business. Change the rules as you go and refuse any real communication with your clients. Has the CSM given a reason why they are not holding CCP's feet to the fire? Where are all the CSM members and why haven't we heard anything from them either? Either they have no real influence with CCP or they are a bit too cozy with them. Would be nice to hear some input and regular updates from the CSM members concerning this matter. What does CSM stand for again?
If the player base really wants to get CCP's attention, start boycotting live events, in game events and start dropping accounts. They will crumble when enough pressure is applied and their egos get bruised enough. Right now they don't give a **** about the average player and that needs to change.
I have already dropped half my accounts and more will be dropped shortly.
No, you can't have all my stuff, but thanks for asking. |
Kate stark
861
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:25:00 -
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If ccp can't even be arsed to post in this thread, i can't be arsed to construct a proper post to point out that we're still being ignored and they're clearly full of **** and don't care about the topic.
you can always forgive a **** up if it's dealt with, but just ignoring pretty much all of the feedback when there has been over 140 pages from 2 threads alone is just a joke. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
thowlimer
Roprocor Ltd
4
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:33:00 -
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Unless my memory has gone completely soggy over the last weeks it seems something fishy is going on behind the scenes if you check the https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=275730&find=unread (list of blogs etc in information portal) I cant see any community spotlight link for Somer in there and i could have sworn CCP made one of those earlier ...
*tinfoil hat off*
thowlimer |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
224
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:27:00 -
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thowlimer wrote:Unless my memory has gone completely soggy over the last weeks
I'm betting it sucked from the start.
That list summarizes 2013. The post you're thinking of was in 2012
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thowlimer
Roprocor Ltd
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 06:34:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:thowlimer wrote:Unless my memory has gone completely soggy over the last weeks I'm betting it sucked from the start. That list summarizes 2013. The post you're thinking of was in 2012
so at leat the memory was 10/10, google search skills 0/10 tho |
The Legendary Soldier
For the Love of Ore
301
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:24:00 -
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thowlimer wrote:Unless my memory has gone completely soggy over the last weeks it seems something fishy is going on behind the scenes if you check the https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=275730&find=unread (list of blogs etc in information portal) I cant see any community spotlight link for Somer in there and i could have sworn CCP made one of those earlier ... *tinfoil hat off* thowlimer
Were you thinking of this?
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/somer-blink-celebrates-900-trillion-isk-in-prizes-2/ Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corp's standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
587
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:03:00 -
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No word yet eh?
I find that little bit about SOMER still tracking purchases for "future rewards" a little fishy. And no I am not insisting that they plan to violate the EULA in the future.
What they are doing, is making people believe that there will be in game rewards to be had in the future, so that they buy isk from them. This is dishonest and manipulative marketing.
CCP should just flat out say that GTC's must resell at a price of x with no promises of possible rewards, in game or otherwise. It is pretty apparent that the GTC sellers are not allowed to undersell each other, and so why should their referral agents be allowed to promise special bonuses?
All in CCP's hands now I suppose. I suppose all I can do is just laugh at the poor fools who continue to throw SOMER their RL cash in the secret hopes of being thrown an isk bone. |
Dark Magni
The Tuskers
42
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:44:00 -
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This whole thing must be hilarious for Somer, he has totally got CCP under his thumb and jumping through loops for him.
I mean, if anyone has won eve, it is Somer, frankly.
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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:55:00 -
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Dear CCP,
You might think that it is only a vocal minority who are concerned about the Somer issue, but I believe many of the Eve community are concerned about this issue, ( although this might not be immediately apparent ).
You seem to have a policy of "silence" over this issue, hoping that the vocal minority will give up and go away.
IMO that's poor customer service.
CCP, is your financial situation so grim that you are willing to do anything so as to maintain your incoming financial revenue, even to stooping so low as to allow entities to violate your own EULA / TOS ?
Have you become so dependant on GTC / PLEX sales that you are willing to risk the amount of subscribers and to sacrifice your company's integrity ?
Come on CCP, please respond and fix this issue.
Kate stark wrote:Is it safe to say that this thread is now a monologue rather than the dialogue we hoped it would be?
As per the quote, CCP, please don't allow this thread to be a monologue. |
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