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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
591
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Posted - 2013.12.09 06:25:00 -
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Octoven.
Evidence needed if you want to accuse Somer of scamming people. Scams = not giving them what you said they would get for what they gave you. As opposed to encouraging people to buy into a scheme that doesn't give 100% rewards. Just because it's gambling doesn't make it a scam. Gambling can be just as honest as anything, Humanitarians can be just as much of a scam.
Also.... I.W.S. are just a reskinned scorpion with actually weaker stats. So you are fine with that give away I take it? Under your own words above.
TLDR version: Stop whining and get over yourself importance already. |
Opia Munba
mss industry
20
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Posted - 2013.12.09 08:13:00 -
[1742] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Octoven.
Evidence needed if you want to accuse Somer of scamming people. Scams = not giving them what you said they would get for what they gave you. As opposed to encouraging people to buy into a scheme that doesn't give 100% rewards. Just because it's gambling doesn't make it a scam. Gambling can be just as honest as anything, Humanitarians can be just as much of a scam.
Also.... I.W.S. are just a reskinned scorpion with actually weaker stats. So you are fine with that give away I take it? Under your own words above.
TLDR version: Stop whining and get over yourself importance already. people with brains didn`t give a flying f%ck about the scorp paintjob, it was about the market value that they had. and the fact it wasn`t disclosed. Also the people in the know didn`t give a f%ck about the gambling concept... it was the fact that Somer was stretching the eula to make a real life income. TLDR ... way to dumb post |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2651
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:16:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Abrazzar wrote:It's silly that absolutely nothing is coming from CCP. Even the most stupid threads directed at CCP get some Dev response but here? Nothing. Nil. Zilch.
Why not just lock this thread with "End of Line" so we all know who's in charge of PR these days? then they'd have to admit they don't give a **** and they lied to us about actually wanting feedback, and that the surveys were never going to happen and were also a lie and they'd just end up branding themselves as untrustworthy rather than ignorant. It is more than reasonable to expect a report on their investigation into this. CCP devs basically issued a full out endorsement for an entity that was proven to be RMT'ing to the tune of $40,000 a year. A major in game entity was proven to be RMT'ing. Both of these questions/concerns need to be addressed, even if no further action is being taken against the devs or the entity. For instance, a report that says: 1) Yes this was RMT. 2) No we aren't issuing further punishments nor will we be banning anyone. This is because we feel that doing so is not in the best interest of EVE. However, you can be certain that we will continue monitor the actors in this very closely and should any other sketchy stuff happen, we will take swift and decisive action against them. 3) And MOST IMPORTANTLY, we also acknowledge that Devs endorsed, gave the stamp of approval to, and then showered with gifts and responsibility an in-game corporate entity that was later shown quite clearly to be in violation of the EULA. We think was pretty dumb on the part of the devs, but they are good, well meaning people who now understand their role as unbiased adjudicators of this game and we want to reassure you that this sort of crap won't happen again. Is a more than reasonable thing to expect. It'd be the right thing to do from a business and customer relations perspective that's for certain. Argus
A corporation admit to it's consumers that it made a mistake and apologise and promise to do better?
But that's the first thing they teach you NOT to do in Business and Management 101!
CCP used to act like that, but now they've got a few new people in sharp suits running things, it's time to clamp down on the whole open, interacting with the consumer thing. It was a total gimmick and wouldn't work in the real world, says Mr Suit. It's best to bury your head in the sand and pretend you are perfect, and hope the dumb plebs who give you money just shut up and forget it.
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Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.12.09 14:17:00 -
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I've unsubbed all 5 accounts due to things like this.
I stated in my unsub, "I am doing this due to greed (things like auto-renewal automatically occuring), and favoritism (The Mittani, SOMER, etc.)"
Let them know how you feel with your wallet. There's no other way. I'd rather grind endless hours in the game, knowing if all of this did it, we''d make a difference. |
Gordon Weaver
It's a Corp
5
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:06:00 -
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-2 accounts as it's the only language CCP seems to understand.
With blatant favoritism you have devalued your sandbox into not worth playing. Stop pissing in the sandbox CCP. Stop hiding and talk to your paying customers. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:25:00 -
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Dear CCP,
I am deeply concerned.
It seems that you are starting to depend more on PLEX / GTC sales, than on maintaining / increasing subscriptions, so as to maintain your profibility.
As such, I ask you :-
- Will CCP continue to focus on developing / maintaining Eve into the future, or will you just create new "shinnies", ( and give them to third party entities ), so as to maintain the lottery enterprises that exist, that help spur on the PLEX /GTC sales, ( possibly in a manner that actually violates your own TOS / EULA ) ?
- Do you really want to turn Eve, from a game to a Casino ?
- CCP, are you giving up on Eve, the game ?
Come on CCP, a clear transparent clarification on this Somer debarcle, and its many issues, would be nice and much appreciated.
Please CCP, stop ignoring this important thread and the issues that have been mentioned.
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Dark Magni
The Tuskers
57
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:48:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Kate stark wrote:Abrazzar wrote:It's silly that absolutely nothing is coming from CCP. Even the most stupid threads directed at CCP get some Dev response but here? Nothing. Nil. Zilch.
Why not just lock this thread with "End of Line" so we all know who's in charge of PR these days? then they'd have to admit they don't give a **** and they lied to us about actually wanting feedback, and that the surveys were never going to happen and were also a lie and they'd just end up branding themselves as untrustworthy rather than ignorant. It is more than reasonable to expect a report on their investigation into this. CCP devs basically issued a full out endorsement for an entity that was proven to be RMT'ing to the tune of $40,000 a year. A major in game entity was proven to be RMT'ing. Both of these questions/concerns need to be addressed, even if no further action is being taken against the devs or the entity. For instance, a report that says: 1) Yes this was RMT. 2) No we aren't issuing further punishments nor will we be banning anyone. This is because we feel that doing so is not in the best interest of EVE. However, you can be certain that we will continue monitor the actors in this very closely and should any other sketchy stuff happen, we will take swift and decisive action against them. 3) And MOST IMPORTANTLY, we also acknowledge that Devs endorsed, gave the stamp of approval to, and then showered with gifts and responsibility an in-game corporate entity that was later shown quite clearly to be in violation of the EULA. We think was pretty dumb on the part of the devs, but they are good, well meaning people who now understand their role as unbiased adjudicators of this game and we want to reassure you that this sort of crap won't happen again. Is a more than reasonable thing to expect. It'd be the right thing to do from a business and customer relations perspective that's for certain. Argus
This strikes me as being extremely reasonable.
Unfortunately someone at CCP has issued the order to snub this debate and its paying customers.
It is foolish, because the strategy isn't working. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2657
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:25:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Octoven.
Evidence needed if you want to accuse Somer of scamming people. Scams = not giving them what you said they would get for what they gave you. As opposed to encouraging people to buy into a scheme that doesn't give 100% rewards. Just because it's gambling doesn't make it a scam. Gambling can be just as honest as anything, Humanitarians can be just as much of a scam.
Also.... I.W.S. are just a reskinned scorpion with actually weaker stats. So you are fine with that give away I take it? Under your own words above.
TLDR version: Stop whining and get over yourself importance already.
To be fair there have been a number of people who bought somer credit when the possible prize was guardian vexors. Somer were saying "give isk, and you have a chance for a guardian vexor". Then CCP changed the reward to something else - at least one user tried to then get the isk back from somer. He had paid for a chance at a guardian vexor, not at the other thing, so he wanted his isk back. They refused. He contacted CCP, since it was their doing, and they basically said that even though they were involved, tough luck.
It's the ol' bait and switch. A scam. A bit odd since CCP themselves were involved, but a scam none the less.
And lets not forget the even more numerous people who've put money in, and then somer have turned round and banned them for nebulous reasons from taking part in the lottery draws.
Somer is a scam and an RMT operation. |
Dark Magni
The Tuskers
57
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:24:00 -
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The thing that annoys me most is how Somer is clearly influencing CCP in some way.
Lots of people in this debate are attacking Somer, but as Somer has influenced CCP to be in the same boat as them, CCP has to defend Somer in defending itself.
For example this strange 7 day grace period for Somer to RMT. The strange 'dead silence' approach CCP has taken to this debate. Also the hands off approach when the guardian-vexor prize was changed and Somer wouldnt refund isk.
There are so many more examples of where CCP are biased. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
553
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:13:00 -
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Bobby Frutt wrote:I've unsubbed all 5 accounts due to things like this.
I stated in my unsub, "I am doing this due to greed (things like auto-renewal automatically occuring), and favoritism (The Mittani, SOMER, etc.)"
Let them know how you feel with your wallet. There's no other way. I'd rather grind endless hours in the game, knowing if all of this did it, we''d make a difference.
"Auto-renewal" happens in every game. In fact, it says when you go to add game time via credit card that it is going to happen, and it says that with World of Warcraft, Rift, Star Wars, etc. Don't act like it's only EvE Online and it's greed making them do it. That's just childish. |
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Tsobai Hashimoto
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:43:00 -
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Good or bad....right or wrong. I love how open and honest EVE devs are compared to any other game I have played. Than you for the detailed and open thread.
Honestly I find nothing wrong with what happened. I think the Dev team could use some good PR though. You should create 1 or 2 more IWS and have blink setup a lotto to all players . all profits are used to buy up plex off market and do one last final donation to plex for good.
I would buy a few tickets and I could care less about the ship |
Tweek Etimua
Aideron Robotics
16
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:46:00 -
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I find most of the complaints are based on WHO received the gift. This frankly is sad.
You can say "It's not right right to reward a gambling site" But the same could be argued about any "Community" group. It could be said that organizations like the folks who run the New Eden Open shouldn't get any special treatment cause at any point they could just take the prizes for them selves. The truth is that's true about any one. The other thing that's true is that people who got rewarded "BIG Lottery 10th anniversary event, Alliance Tournament player commentators, Alliance Tournament volunteers, the staff of the Syndicate Competitive League (SCL)" Didn't get any sort of grief from the community. " Sometimes it has to do with the timing of specific events related to that fansite or enterprise, sometimes your favorite is next in line or theyGÇÖve simply gotten something different, such as free accounts, trips and/or tickets to Fanfest, CollectorGÇÖs editions, a couple of time codes, devs flown to their events, T-shirts, posters, resin ship models etc. etc."
So this is just a GREAT example of how selfishness combined with the loudest complaint/biggest riot can ruin a good thing.
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Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
553
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Posted - 2013.12.10 23:57:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Good or bad....right or wrong. I love how open and honest EVE devs are compared to any other game I have played. Than you for the detailed and open thread.
Honestly I find nothing wrong with what happened. I think the Dev team could use some good PR though. You should create 1 or 2 more IWS and have blink setup a lotto to all players . all profits are used to buy up plex off market and do one last final donation to plex for good.
I would buy a few tickets and I could care less about the ship
Only in EvE Online is lack of communication considered "open and honest". |
Kate stark
948
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Posted - 2013.12.11 06:35:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Good or bad....right or wrong. I love how open and honest EVE devs are compared to any other game I have played. Than you for the detailed and open thread.
detailed and open?
they have said **** all of substance even when asked directly, several times. then ignored the thread for nearly two months.
i'm going to assume english isn't your first language.
edit: also the outright lies about "surveys" that have yet to be produced and i doubt ever will be... Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
The Legendary Soldier
Jovian Innovations
334
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Posted - 2013.12.11 09:41:00 -
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Tweek Etimua wrote:I find most of the complaints are based on WHO received the gift. This frankly is sad.
You can say "It's not right right to reward a gambling site" But the same could be argued about any "Community" group. It could be said that organizations like the folks who run the New Eden Open shouldn't get any special treatment cause at any point they could just take the prizes for them selves. The truth is that's true about any one. The other thing that's true is that people who got rewarded "BIG Lottery 10th anniversary event, Alliance Tournament player commentators, Alliance Tournament volunteers, the staff of the Syndicate Competitive League (SCL)" Didn't get any sort of grief from the community. " Sometimes it has to do with the timing of specific events related to that fansite or enterprise, sometimes your favorite is next in line or theyGÇÖve simply gotten something different, such as free accounts, trips and/or tickets to Fanfest, CollectorGÇÖs editions, a couple of time codes, devs flown to their events, T-shirts, posters, resin ship models etc. etc."
So this is just a GREAT example of how selfishness combined with the loudest complaint/biggest riot can ruin a good thing.
A lottery site exists to enrich the people who run it - not to contribute to the community.
People who actually DID contribute to the community (as opposed to CCP's bank balance) DO deserve to be rewarded.
This is actually a great example of how the "loudest complaint" can be TOTALLY ignored.
It is also a GREAT example of completely missing the point. Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1372
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Posted - 2013.12.11 11:08:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Good or bad....right or wrong. I love how open and honest EVE devs are compared to any other game I have played. Than you for the detailed and open thread. detailed and open?
I think they meant derailed and mangled lol High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
488
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:48:00 -
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And still no answer from CCP? That is just sad, really really sad. And disappointing. |
Kate stark
948
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Posted - 2013.12.11 18:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kate stark wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Good or bad....right or wrong. I love how open and honest EVE devs are compared to any other game I have played. Than you for the detailed and open thread. detailed and open? I think they meant derailed and mangled lol
to be fair CCP are usually good at the whole communication thing. look at basically any issue but this one where they're being vastly out of character. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Dark Magni
The Tuskers
57
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Posted - 2013.12.12 08:32:00 -
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Well, ladies and gentlemen. Truth will out.
CCP actually couldn't care less about what the little people (us) think about anything.
This whole thread is a massive insult. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5300
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Posted - 2013.12.12 09:30:00 -
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Oh hey, I see this thread is making it's way to the depths to drown.
Op success There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Tsobai Hashimoto
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2013.12.12 09:37:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Good or bad....right or wrong. I love how open and honest EVE devs are compared to any other game I have played. Than you for the detailed and open thread.
Honestly I find nothing wrong with what happened. I think the Dev team could use some good PR though. You should create 1 or 2 more IWS and have blink setup a lotto to all players . all profits are used to buy up plex off market and do one last final donation to plex for good.
I would buy a few tickets and I could care less about the ship Only in EvE Online is lack of communication considered "open and honest".
No...your spoiled....you don't play many other mmo games do you, with stealth patches. No devs on forms. No blogs no Dev videos no play input listened to ever let alone CSM or thanks to player like red front. Rvb . brave boobies and. Yes even blink.
Games that don't give detailed graphs and reports on market figures. PvP kills. Plex movements. Amounts mined and other reports detailing how the latest expansion/ship/skill/market changes/tax changes/sov changes/fw changes etc have effected the map/econ/meta of Eve
MMOs that never have devs broadcasting tournaments like alliance tourney. Games that have little to zero interaction with its player base
You are spoiled to think CCP is lacking communication with its player base. They are the best Dev team to grace our gaming world and I personly tell every Dev team I can. Be more like CCP and you will turn a nich into 10+ years of very loyal gamers.
The only team I have seen that comes close. Is warframe (they do love streams monthly or more with players about updates etc) and they are not in a close second.
Thank you again CCP. I love your game and I support everything you have done. Keeping a game relevant for 10 years is hard, sometimes thankless, work |
Duran Veldspur
Rebel Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.12.12 09:48:00 -
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thanks CCP for continueing to ruin the collectors market in EVE. just keep materializing new "limited" edition ships so that those who are trying to invest lose out and thus lose interest in that market and many lose interest in EVE (what else will be ruined needlessly?)
get your heads out of your asses! |
Dark Magni
The Tuskers
57
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Posted - 2013.12.12 11:02:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Good or bad....right or wrong. I love how open and honest EVE devs are compared to any other game I have played. Than you for the detailed and open thread.
Honestly I find nothing wrong with what happened. I think the Dev team could use some good PR though. You should create 1 or 2 more IWS and have blink setup a lotto to all players . all profits are used to buy up plex off market and do one last final donation to plex for good.
I would buy a few tickets and I could care less about the ship Only in EvE Online is lack of communication considered "open and honest". No...your spoiled....you don't play many other mmo games do you, with stealth patches. No devs on forms. No blogs no Dev videos no player input listened to ever, let alone CSM or any thanks to player groups like red frog. Rvb . brave noobies and Yes even blink. Games that don't give detailed graphs and reports on market figures. PvP kills. Plex movements. Amounts mined and other reports detailing how the latest expansion/ship/skill/market changes/tax changes/sov changes/fw changes etc have effected the map/econ/meta of Eve How many mmo games even have a test server where anyone can buy and test anything? Learn to pvp for free and try out every expansion before release and have devs LISTENING to feedback....how many changes did the murader balance go thru? At least 3 since sisi release....is it what everyone wanted? No. But almost no Dev team try that hard MMOs that never have devs broadcasting tournaments like alliance tourney. Games that have little to zero interaction with its player base You are spoiled to think CCP is lacking communication with its player base. They are the best Dev team to grace our gaming world and I personly tell every Dev team I can. Be more like CCP and you will turn a nich into 10+ years of very loyal gamers. The only team I have seen that comes close. Is warframe (they do love streams monthly or more with players about updates etc) and they are not in a close second. Thank you again CCP. I love your game and I support everything you have done. Keeping a game relevant for 10 years is hard, sometimes thankless, work
Garbage. Total Garbage.
Hence why I didn't bother reading past the first sentence (it is you're not your btw). |
Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:45:00 -
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OMG that spelling error.. that means his whole statement is garbage!! logic has arrived! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5303
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:08:00 -
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Yeah, if this is the level of the ccp defenders, I think general discussion should try this on Heroic mode. There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
The Legendary Soldier
Omber Hombres
334
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:48:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:OMG that spelling error.. that means his whole statement is garbage!! logic has arrived!
No. It's garbage because it's garbage.
The grammatical error was just icing for the cake... Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |
Tsobai Hashimoto
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:54:00 -
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The Legendary Soldier wrote:Ryann Padecain wrote:OMG that spelling error.. that means his whole statement is garbage!! logic has arrived! No. It's garbage because it's garbage. The grammatical error was just icing for the cake...
honestly. Who gives other than trolls? It used to be ye and then y'all? How many years did trolls yap about that? Pointless!
You / your / you're /y'all/ ye are Spoiled about what you have. The number one evidence to CCP being an amazing Dev team is the simple fact your /you're / Ye / y'all here. You have been here for years. And no, your/ you're/ all y'all/ ye are not going to quit.
Name another mmo that has this much attention to detail and player input from the Dev team? I have played eq eq2 star wars. Wow , coh ,vanguard ,war ,gw ,gw2 , xyzon and countless other freebies and small time crap..... Nothing, including non mmo game devs come close to what we get here....get off your / you're / y'all / ye high horse. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:18:00 -
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CCP, please respond.
The many issues contained in this thread, IMO, you need to address and be fixed.
Come on CCP, please. |
Kate stark
957
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:16:00 -
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so other than somer's RMT scheme being 'bad' and had to be changed when people started doing it in the droves.... what has this thread actually provided other than an excuse for ccp to lock any other thread on the topic with the duplicate/redundant justification? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete.
555
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Posted - 2013.12.13 04:19:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Kate stark wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Good or bad....right or wrong. I love how open and honest EVE devs are compared to any other game I have played. Than you for the detailed and open thread. detailed and open? I think they meant derailed and mangled lol to be fair CCP are usually good at the whole communication thing. look at basically any issue but this one where they're being vastly out of character.
Mmmm, Monoclegate remembers.
Anyways, CCP has been lackluster in their response here, and it borders on EA levels of bad. |
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