Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 60 [61]:: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 35 post(s) |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
123
|
Posted - 2013.12.23 01:55:00 -
[1801] - Quote
CCP,
Please respond to these Somer issues, please. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2800
|
Posted - 2013.12.23 09:40:00 -
[1802] - Quote
I'm pretty sure the ongoing silence from CCP tells us everything we need to know about their position. Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong. |
Jove Death
The Jovian Navy
324
|
Posted - 2013.12.23 09:52:00 -
[1803] - Quote
Guys and gals now come on give CCP a break.
Its hard for them to make a post with 3 words in it.
"we fooked up"
What you have to remember is that somer is player driven and is a huge income earner for EvE.
People spend money on plex then use the isk in somer then buy more plex and put more money into some. If chars actually didnt play somer they wouldnt be there.
The amount of money ccp has generated in some must be hundreds of thousands of pounds. So they will keep this going as long as they can.
End of the day ccp could have shut them down along time ago but wont. They also didnt have to give them the free stuff. Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
|
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
123
|
Posted - 2013.12.24 20:44:00 -
[1804] - Quote
Looks like we have to wait until after the holiday season for a, hopeful, responce from CCP.
CCP, please do respond, when you get a chance, hopefully soon, please.
Anyway, to all, Merry Christmas. |
Ahlea Corinth
Professional Losers
0
|
Posted - 2013.12.24 21:38:00 -
[1805] - Quote
As an executive manager at my company, we are faced with a decision each quarter on whether or not to issue bonuses to our staff members. Some things that are taken into consideration:
- Is it financially viable for the enterprise to issue bonuses - How much of a bonus pool exists if so? - What are the criteria for staff to receive bonuses? - Are bonuses discretionary (meaning subjective) or metrics based (objective, same for all) or a combination?
Employees will like it, or not like it, but we do the best we can to be fair and reward those who go far and beyond over what is expected of them and hope that bonuses inspire folks to reach for the stars during the next quarter if they want a larger share.
Now, translate that concept to here. CCP sees tremendous value in the SOMER Blink initiative and rewards it with a bunch of rare issue Scorpions. The folks at SOMER Blink don't need the isk, so to them it's a gesture alone. To CCP it's a tool at their disposal to reward those who go, in their eyes, above and beyond.
So rather than bark at CCP about recognizing what it sees as key contributors, spend your time developing your own initiative and become the next SOMER Blink and you will earn an Ishukone Scorpion too.
In terms of real world $ drawn from the BLINK initiative, it's just like law enforcement. Officers who pull someone over for speeding can choose to give a warning, a ticket, or not pull someone over at all. Discretion. CCP has the same discretion. I believe the EULA (the spirit of it) is to ensure that someone can't distort the game with a real world gain (such as ebay isk sellers). BLINK does not do that, it's strictly wealth transfer of already existing assets as opposed to spawning new assets. It helps the community like any good lottery does. So do books about how better to play the game.
But isk on ebay deflates the economy and the EULA comes into play.
So to round this out, Somer Blink was rewarded for excellence. Good for them. I hope CCP rewards excellence in the future. It is painful to me that CCP is even considering not doing so because others feel entitled to the same rewards, or worse, that the environment should be homogenous and no one should be rewarded for doing great things.
CCP, don't cave to that pressure. Rewards are good and justified in moderation.
-A |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5351
|
Posted - 2013.12.24 23:18:00 -
[1806] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:I'm pretty sure the ongoing silence from CCP tells us everything we need to know about their position. You're no fun. There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
415
|
Posted - 2013.12.25 02:33:00 -
[1807] - Quote
Just my 2c. i think many people didn't care about the somer stuff and many somer players are sad their bonuses went. idc as i don't buy plex with cash. (i have got prizes from a Somer event)
i do think James 315 and the lead members of minerbumping deserve rewards for the life they brought to high sec. i don't mine or suicide gank.
don't give stuff to null sec alliances. i am in a null sec alliance.
I honestly don't care if somer is a scam or if they are legit. they add to the eve experiance. reward them as u will. same with minerbumping, dotlan, iph, skunkworks etc etc. The detractors are everywhere just be as open as u can and a impartial as you can. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
129
|
Posted - 2013.12.26 10:18:00 -
[1808] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:I'm pretty sure the ongoing silence from CCP tells us everything we need to know about their position. You're no fun.
In my honest opinnion this will be no fun, but the sad truth... This signature is under NDA. Sorry. |
Bookish
Exodus Development
3
|
Posted - 2013.12.26 11:55:00 -
[1809] - Quote
still waiting for a CCP reply.
any reply, even a silly one, is better than this silence.
|
Dave Stark
3799
|
Posted - 2013.12.26 11:58:00 -
[1810] - Quote
Bookish wrote:still waiting for a CCP reply.
good luck with that. |
|
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
610
|
Posted - 2013.12.28 06:08:00 -
[1811] - Quote
Kate stark wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:From SOMER's site:
"GTC Discount With Blink
From now until the end of 2013, receive a 10% discount on 30 and 60-Day timecodes purchased through Blink's link! Just use our link, and use the coupon code "SOMERBLINK" at checkout to receive 10% off every code.
We may have additional announcements about GTC soon, and any codes purchased since the bonus went away on November 7th will receive any future benefits retroactively."
Discount is fine. Other possibilities apparently exist for them, though. This could be interesting. so somer have made that much isk they can cash out at a lower isk -> $ ratio in order to increase volume of transactions?
There is no RMT in offering a dollar discount on GTC purchases. They are not converting any isk into cash then. They are however, potentially making more money by offering the GTC's at a discount. And ultimately, it is Markee Dragon offering the discount, not Somer, although Somer may be contributing part of their "cut" toward it.
The only question is if CCP mandates a certain retail price for the GTC's in their reseller agreement. If they do, then Markee Dragon would be in violation of this agreement.
|
Kara Roideater
172
|
Posted - 2013.12.28 11:23:00 -
[1812] - Quote
Ahlea Corinth wrote:As an executive manager at my company, we are faced with a decision each quarter on whether or not to issue bonuses to our staff members. Some things that are taken into consideration:
- Is it financially viable for the enterprise to issue bonuses - How much of a bonus pool exists if so? - What are the criteria for staff to receive bonuses? - Are bonuses discretionary (meaning subjective) or metrics based (objective, same for all) or a combination?
Employees will like it, or not like it, but we do the best we can to be fair and reward those who go far and beyond over what is expected of them and hope that bonuses inspire folks to reach for the stars during the next quarter if they want a larger share.
Now, translate that concept to here. CCP sees tremendous value in the SOMER Blink initiative and rewards it with a bunch of rare issue Scorpions. The folks at SOMER Blink don't need the isk, so to them it's a gesture alone. To CCP it's a tool at their disposal to reward those who go, in their eyes, above and beyond.
So rather than bark at CCP about recognizing what it sees as key contributors, spend your time developing your own initiative and become the next SOMER Blink and you will earn an Ishukone Scorpion too.
In terms of real world $ drawn from the BLINK initiative, it's just like law enforcement. Officers who pull someone over for speeding can choose to give a warning, a ticket, or not pull someone over at all. Discretion. CCP has the same discretion. I believe the EULA (the spirit of it) is to ensure that someone can't distort the game with a real world gain (such as ebay isk sellers). BLINK does not do that, it's strictly wealth transfer of already existing assets as opposed to spawning new assets. It helps the community like any good lottery does. So do books about how better to play the game.
But isk on ebay deflates the economy and the EULA comes into play.
So to round this out, Somer Blink was rewarded for excellence. Good for them. I hope CCP rewards excellence in the future. It is painful to me that CCP is even considering not doing so because others feel entitled to the same rewards, or worse, that the environment should be homogenous and no one should be rewarded for doing great things.
CCP, don't cave to that pressure. Rewards are good and justified in moderation.
-A
A bunch of terrible analogies here. SOMER is not an employee of CCP and comparing the situation to CCP awarding bonuses to employees is ludicrous. SOMER is an ingame entity taking part in a competitive endeavour against all the other ingame entities, with CCP playing the referee. When the referees start favouring one team for their excellence there are significant problems in a competitive game. The reward for excellence in a competitive environment is success in that environment; the introduction of externally granted prizes that not only reward the success which is already meant to be its own reward but also give ingame entitiesa competitive advantage that is unavailable to other players is the equivalent of taking a crap in the sandbox, as one player so eloquently put it. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7892
|
Posted - 2013.12.28 13:52:00 -
[1813] - Quote
This, along with the lack of summer summit minutes for CSM 8, is pretty damn inexcusable. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Yosef Brinalle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.12.28 20:34:00 -
[1814] - Quote
Lets see... If I were a game Corp in EVE and I had made a couple of unfortunate calls and found myself in some financial straits i might: 1. Lay off employees at the 'unfortunate calls'. 2. Work at creating a system where other Corps gain $ by driving $ my way. 3. Remind my players that these other corps who are driving $ to me are 'contributing to the community'. 4. Freely reward those other corps with in-game goodies. In-game goodies cost me nothing as compared to marketing swag. 5. Have multiple sales on my product to generate as much extra $ as possible. This works even better if it is done in a timeframe when sales are expected and highly patronized. 6. If all this generates enough to push me back to viable then Great! Process over! Otherwise continue on to 7. 7. Take whatever ISK I have gained in 1-6 and hop a fast Leopard to planet Aruba or some nice place with no extradition treaty. 8. Send one last note to all my snubbed creditors/game players saying: "This is EVE - Your tears are delicious!" |
Brendan Anneto
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
12
|
Posted - 2013.12.28 21:05:00 -
[1815] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Weaselior wrote:I'd like a little more information on the SOMER lottery issue specifically as that was the really immense giveaway here and it's not really well addressed. Specifically, why an in-game business was given such immense prizes as "a fansite" that wound up making them almost certainly literally trillions of isk. It's not really addressed at all in your post: no indication of why SOMER, no indication of what process went on here and why the CSM was never consulted, no indication of what other "fansites" have gotten these sort of things.
It's not just that SOMER got the lottery gifts. It's that they were absolutely stupendously massive. There's also the seperate problem of Navigator officially declaring them Not A Scam.
The IWS issue would not have been nearly as big an issue without that: it's that both happened, and that the lottery gift to SOMER was already absurdly out of line. The IWS issue exacerbated the lottery issue, it wasn't the main problem. I can probably shed a bit of light on that although Navigator touched on that in his announcement following what was going to be the Gold Magnate event. Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do. In the statement we go into who else have gotten the ISWs and also what sort of giveways we usually extend to fansites. As we said, we agree with you that we went too fast and that's why we need to re-think this whole thing. We need to keep the CSM more involved, their input is invaluable.
But what has SOMER done to enhance the game play for people and give back to the community. Take a look at EVE UNI these people bust them selves teaching newbies how to play the game. They don't take their isk and their goal is to give players experience before they move on into the galaxy. SOMER on the other hand is a FOR profit organisation that the sole purpose is to print isk for the owners. It is not a matter of popularity it is a matter of the worth of the item given and who it was given too, and the manner in which it was given. So don't try pull that trick on us saying that they give items to events and support give aways, Chribba does this as well as countless others. I'm giving you my money to play this game and put food on your tables I don't see my IWS or free Titan Proverbs 1:26-27 |
Miss Ladybird
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
87
|
Posted - 2013.12.30 11:06:00 -
[1816] - Quote
Maximus Andendare wrote:Thanks for the statement. However, it doesn't particularly address the glaring fact that SOMER received free trips to Fanfest and unique ships for a "fair" contest "for the community" that CCP has no control over or audit power for. Further, the contest is inherently biased toward people who blow billions of isk playing blinks, giving them a disproportionate amount of entries for unique ships only obtainable through this medium (not to mention making SOMER even more isk), as well as giving a player-run, for-profit corporation the ability to decide who can even have a chance at winning it, considering SOMER Blink solely and unilaterally has the power to ban accounts at will.
The fact that you guys earlier compared SOMER Blink to a charity is shocking, off-putting and shows a deep disconnection between what CCP believes "a community service" is and what the players do. Many players believe that "a community service" is something that actually enriches the game or provides content to it. SOMER Blink is a third party website created solely to print isk for its founder. They provide no services in game. At all. (This doesn't even to speak to the fact that serious concerns exist for many players to the legitimacy of the SOMER Blink lottery system. For example, how is it that the player with the most blinks won, Replacement 234, doesn't appear in the most blinks played? Is Replacement 234, with an win rate at a minimum of 32.7%+ simply luckier than the next-highest winner, Featious who has a 28.8% win rate? Or the highest winner (with over 9 TRILLION isk more than Replacement 234) doesn't even appear to have played or won the most blinks?)
The difference in your example of "go to game trade show, get swag" and the SOMERgate fiasco is that as players we can choose to attend game trade show--at our wills--and get swag. We don't, however, have the luxury of playing blinks if the account is banned. Further, you're not limiting the prize pool to players attending EVE Vegas, as your trade show example would indicate. It is open to anyone willing to blow billions of isk on blinks. Even then, they would still have an inequitable chance of winning against other players who have a disproportionate amount of tickets. Your basic example of simply playing a promo blink and having an entry is pedantic at best and deceitful at worst, considering that everyone knows that blink players will have hundreds or thousands of tickets entered.
It's good that you've put future plans on hold for hopefully a better process. It's unfortunate, though, that you decided to stop recognizing community sites short of providing rewards to meaningful providers of content in the game, instead opting to enrich a for-profit corp's wallet instead. The fact that you haven't pulled the unique rewards, given the glaring deficiencies in using SOMER Blink as the provider of the contest, shows me that CCP has only a passing concern to the legitimate grievances we players have. CCP owes nothing to SOMER Blink, and if this were believed by CCP, it would have pulled the unique and fantastical prizes in favor of something more traditional like PLEX packs or Collector's Editions.
This was the first response to the thread. Did anyone from CCP even bother to read it?
I think they did, they just tactically ignored it.
By the way, I love the way there is a survey out claiming that 'our opinions matter'. Well everyone who has responded to this thread knows different.
|
Dave Stark
4039
|
Posted - 2013.12.30 11:13:00 -
[1817] - Quote
Miss Ladybird wrote:By the way, I love the way there is a survey out claiming that 'our opinions matter'. Well everyone who has responded to this thread knows different.
they said there'd be a survey for this topic, there hasn't been. |
Miss Ladybird
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
88
|
Posted - 2013.12.31 02:44:00 -
[1818] - Quote
CCP - Does our opinions matter? |
Diva Ex Machina
D'reg Spaceship Samurai
36
|
Posted - 2013.12.31 09:25:00 -
[1819] - Quote
Miss Ladybird wrote:CCP - Does our opinions matter?
It would seem not. |
Ritual Union
ykx ltd
14
|
Posted - 2013.12.31 15:10:00 -
[1820] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:I'm still scratching my head about what these "great contributions" are exactly that SB made to EVE that CCP and others keep referring to. Is out of game gambling for isk and in-game swag via a 3rd party for-profit entity considered creating content?
Sexy Cakes wrote:I think my biggest problem with the whole situation is that I feel CCP is awarding a straight up gambling enterprise simply because they help sell plexes. When you give out upwards of 400+ billion ISK in rare ships to 'the house' who is already raking in ISK hand-over-fist it seems lame as hell.
Advertising Campaign: You will not click this link, you will block this character, you will leave a lame comment in local about this link, you will eve-mail me just to say that you don't care, and remember: under no circumstances you will click this link. |
|
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
126
|
Posted - 2013.12.31 23:28:00 -
[1821] - Quote
Just a friendly reminder to CCP that all of these Somer related issues are still issues.
Anyway, Happy 2014 to all. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
126
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 04:16:00 -
[1822] - Quote
Still waiting |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6047
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 04:25:00 -
[1823] - Quote
Deka Ekato wrote:Just a friendly reminder to CCP that all of these Somer related issues are still issues.
Anyway, Happy 2014 to all. Keep it up for another year. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Dave Stark
4111
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 15:30:00 -
[1824] - Quote
so i hear half of the ccp staff have gone to work for riot, guess that's why we haven't got an answer. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
53
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 15:36:00 -
[1825] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:so i hear half of the ccp staff have gone to work for riot, guess that's why we haven't got an answer.
jumping ship before it sinks... |
Dave Stark
4124
|
Posted - 2014.01.04 13:48:00 -
[1826] - Quote
Nolak Ataru wrote:Dave Stark wrote:so i hear half of the ccp staff have gone to work for riot, guess that's why we haven't got an answer. jumping ship before it sinks...
and somehow, the iceberg surprised them all... |
Dave Stark
4134
|
Posted - 2014.01.06 19:09:00 -
[1827] - Quote
Hoshi Sorano wrote:So how much tinfoil would it take to speculate that CCP Navigator was "asked" to leave, but that we'll never hear about it becuase for CCP to do so would be to admit that there was dev wrongdoing in this mess?
personally i couldn't care less about navigator leaving, there are more important questions that need answering first.
edit: managed to quote a post that doesn't exist? ok.... |
|
CCP Falcon
5498
|
Posted - 2014.01.07 11:27:00 -
[1828] - Quote
Good morning Ladies and Gents.
First off, apologies for the length of time it's taken to respond to this thread. The last couple of months have been pretty hectic with the launch of Rubicon, the Philippines PLEX for GOOD project, and a lot of other projects, as well as the holiday period for a lot of our staff, and a few changes in position and suchlike.
Firstly, I'd like to draw your attention to a thread that CCP Dolan has created in Jita Park Speaker's Corner.
We're opening a dialogue with the CSM and the community regarding this, and you guys can feel free to air your concerns in a civil and concise manner in the new thread over on the CSM forums. As CCP Dolan explains, we want to make sure that this kind of issue doesn't re-occur, and we want to make sure that we have full transparency with regards to fansite and third party support in future.
To that end, we'll be having a sit down with CSM8 at the winter summit to ensure that player concerns regarding this are brought to light, and that people have their voices heard in a clear and concise manner. As such, we've opened the thread linked above in order of people to express their opinions.
A few points of note, before you join the new discussion regarding this:
- If you're simply calling for blood, and for the banhammer to come down on people, please don't pollute the discussion with abusive or otherwise non-constructive posts. They will be removed.
- Action has been taken appropriate to our rules and policies, and details of that action are the concern of CCP and the third parties involved. We will not breach the privacy of any third party to satisfy the repetitive calls for the banhammer to be applied, or reveal actions taken by CCP on this matter, or any other.
- We appreciate the continued reports of issues similar to this, however the forums are not the place for them. If you feel that someone is violating the EULA, please file a support ticket under the appropriate category.
- We're going to be realistic here, and not make a false promise. This will be a lengthy process. You're not going to see results overnight, as we have a whole policy and framework to draft. This will take time, and will be something that if necessary, we'll carry over onto the term of CSM9 to complete.
- For now, any third party support that involves ingame assets remains suspended until this process is complete and we have a clear, transparent framework for support in place.
With the above points in mind, we would like to have an open dialogue with both the CSM and the community regarding player concerns on this issue, and we want to garner feedback and thoughts regarding third party support. This is why the summit session and the new thread have been created.
In the same respect, we expect players to come to us with concise feedback and constructive criticism. If the new thread goes the way of the old one, with pointless bumping and abusive posting, those responsible will lose their ability to contribute to the discussion. Don't spam, and the thread is stickied so don't pointlessly attempt to bump it or be disruptive to the ongoing discussion.
We realize that this is something that's a concern, we realize that this is something that a certain cross-section of the community would like to see addressed, and we realize that we need a solid, transparent framework in place going forward.
By working with us and offering us civil, concise feedback and constructive criticism, you can help us to do this.
As such, I'm closing this thread, which frankly, is a mess. It will however be kept for reference.
Please continue discussion within the forum rules in this thread.
Again, apologies for the length of time a response has taken, but we've been speaking at length internally regarding this issue.
Thanks. CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 60 [61]:: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |