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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1150
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:53:00 -
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Quote:Welp, when we used to do things like play "Clue", if some kid came over and kicked the board, ruining the game, we pretty much kicked their a** for it and socially castigated them as fools. Forever in school.
Do that in EVE then, hmm? Also, your analogy is a tad... overblown. It's not one kid kicks down the board, it's one kid blocks another kid's movement on the board. They aren't hacking you, stopping you from playing the game completely, they are setting you back. A better analogy would be playing the game "Sorry".
Also, by most metrics I have been accused of, you and your friends are bullies. :P
Quote:People are proud of what they accomplish and build, even if it exists in the world of the virtual.
Imagine if terrorists blew up Mount Rushmore tomorrow morning. Would the sculptor who designed and built it not have a right to be upset at it's destruction ? Or is there something wrong with him for having an emotional connection to a pile of carved rocks in Wyoming ?
Now, that is really getting overblown. First of all, Gutzon Borglum is long dead. Secondly, you even started by saying virtual, then you describe something that is not only a decade + long endeavor, but also a national monument. Your cute little untanked mining barges are neither, and I am pretty sure the guy who drew them doesn't get sad when one dies.
(Oh, and Mt. Rushmore is breaking, slowly. Erosion and all that)
Quote: Is my birthday greeting message for my grandmother less valid because it comes as a piece of virtual email than on an actual card ?
Yes. I'm 27 years old, and I still send my grandmother a handwritten card. It shows, even if only a little bit, more effort than taking 16 seconds to Google something with cats on it.
Quote:These lines you folks are attempting to draw are rapidly disappearing faster than you can draw them.
Gotta say, it's going to take you a while to erase the line between "National Monument" (or, as some joker mentioned, Guernica, one of the true masterpieces of our time), and "art assets that were produced by someone who is not you". Typical carebear hubris, if you ask me. You are not important enough to anyone to compare yourself and your possessions in a videogame to the great wonders of the world, or the works of master artists. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
201
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:54:00 -
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I find some losses do feel quite 'real' and frankly getting ganked is embarrassing.
on the other hand tearing an exhumer apart with torps is extremely gratifying. freelance space bum |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1151
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:56:00 -
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"When the Muslims burned the Great Library of Alexandria to the ground, someone somewhere felt sad, so it's ok for me to feel sad about art assets that are not legally owned by me, nor drawn by me."
You don't see the category error there? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:03:00 -
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Were these forums always this bad? Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
Jim Era
7607
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:10:00 -
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Lightspeed Champion wrote:Were these forums always this bad?
Learn to take advantage of it |
Scarlett Wesson
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:15:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:When we lose money, we aren't losing real money.
Yeah, right. We can't possibly get IG money by paying RL cash. And we can't lose the time invested in creating something in the game either.
The fact that it happens in a video game doesn't excuse being happy when other people feel miserable. This is not the character that is miserable, but the player, a humain being, just like you and me. Being an ass can't be justified, no matter the circumstances. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1151
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:24:00 -
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Scarlett Wesson wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:When we lose money, we aren't losing real money. Yeah, right. We can't possibly get IG money by paying RL cash. And we can't lose the time invested in creating something in the game either. The fact that it happens in a video game doesn't excuse being happy when other people feel miserable. This is not the character that is miserable, but the player, a humain being, just like you and me. Being an ass can't be justified, no matter the circumstances.
No, but it does completely excuse being happy because you win at a videogame. I win, you lose. Apparently that is supremely upsetting to the entitlement generation.
And being an ass is entirely justified given some of the things I have seen people say to gankers. Ever hear of the "highsec miner grab bag"? It's the New Order's weekly collection of death threats, terms-of-service-breaking insults, and vile language used against them by the various miner populations. There is some stuff in there that justifies anything they do (in game, of course) to someone who says them.
I'll go ahead and tell you this. It is 100% ok to take a jab at someone who flips out about losing a ship. Because it borders on absurdity to be that upset at losing a ship in a video game. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14404
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Posted - 2013.10.13 16:18:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:We've all been there before. Scouring local or the forums and we come across one of these tear extractors. If we're lucky it's not our tears they are extracting. And in those scenarios, we can judge what we see from a more objective perspective.. I know I have... and I always wonder: Why? Why are they extracting tears? It just seems so... sad and.... pathetic? It makes you wonder: What happened to these guys? Here we have fully grown adults that spend their free time logged onto an internet spaceship video game, with main purpose being to frustrate people and enjoy laughing about it. Really consider that for a second, creatures... you are spending hours of your free time doing the same thing snotty brats do at the age of 14... and you are doing this as adults. I would be simply and utterly surprised if any of these tear extractors have actual proper social skills in real life, and I reckon most are very doleful, shy and easy to pushover in the real world. When I see a "tear extractor" my first assumption is that he must be a colossal moron, as anyone with the slightest semblance of intelligence would recognize just how shameful and embarrassing it is to do such things as an adult. However what we find is that this does not apply to many of these creatures; many are capable of displaying strong intellect when needed. Are they damaged perhaps? Maybe they we're they abused, bullied and/or molested as children. Modern day psychology tells us such traumatic experiences in childhood could create such an effect; it creates murderers and rapists so why not these creatures? How about one's upbringing. Most of us learned how to act from our parents... without that, maybe we'd end up just like them. Or maybe there parents simply have the same kind of deplorable personality that they have. We call that a "vicious cycle". Listen creatures, I have a big ol' grin right now as I post this. Convince yourself this is tears, I couldn't care less. I thoroughly enjoy pointing these sorts of things out to people. What are your guys opinions on it? What is it that makes these creatures tick? Cheers and discuss! The direct, and just as relevant counterpoint, would be to ask why the tears are produced in the first place. Money is not lost to ganking, that belongs to CCP for providing a service; time and effort are what are truly lost.
Eve is a competitive game, one with very few rules, I've heard it described as a contact sport for the brain. Accept it for what it is, don't whine about being killed in a game where knocking off others is a legitimate business practice and sport; or move on because I don't see the overall dynamic changing anytime soon. CCP are rightly proud of their sandbox, and pretty much everything we do with it, up to and including robbing people blind and littering the spaceways with corpsicles.
TL;DR if people didn't cry about their losses, there would be no tears to collect. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
411
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Posted - 2013.10.13 16:37:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Welp, when we used to do things like play "Clue", if some kid came over and kicked the board, ruining the game, we pretty much kicked their a** for it and socially castigated them as fools. Forever in school.
Argument is invalid. Kicking the board game isn't a legal move in the game of Clue. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
484
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Posted - 2013.10.13 16:53:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
When "Guernica" was defaced by vandals initially, I'm sure Picasso didn't actually feel any real 'pain' from it as nerve endings don't connect an artist to their work (Annie Sprinkle excepted).
But does that make it OK to do ? Does it really matter ? I mean, "Guernica" is essentially just a buncha paint on a fabric base not scientifically distinguishable from a blank painted bedroom wall.
Your arguments are basically saying these bad behaviors are justified as there is no 'real' body connection to any of it.
That's a very dangerous way to think ultimately.
Did you just compare an irreplaceable object with an object that is unlimited?
So, you lose your internet spaceship....guess what, the market is full of identical hulls which are indistinguishable from the one you owned. It is also full of identical guns.
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Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:20:00 -
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Scarlett Wesson wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:When we lose money, we aren't losing real money. Yeah, right. We can't possibly get IG money by paying RL cash. And we can't lose the time invested in creating something in the game either. The fact that it happens in a video game doesn't excuse being happy when other people feel miserable. This is not the character that is miserable, but the player, a humain being, just like you and me. Being an ass can't be justified, no matter the circumstances.
But can you get cash for IG money? No it is not a bilateral transaction. Any money spent is already lost. Any time spent is already gone.
Seriously, when a child freaks out over something that doesn't matter like it is the end of the world, all the adults laugh. It's not because adults are mean jerks, it is because adults have a healthier perspective. When those adults keep putting a child in this situation, they are hoping to teach the child a better perspective.
Some kids never learn. "I was about to say GÇ£HereGÇÖs a RubikGÇÖs cube, go f%$^ yourself,GÇ¥ because thatGÇÖs what we do with EVE Online." EVE Lead Game Designer Kristoffer Touborg for PC Gamer |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15587
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Scarlett Wesson wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:When we lose money, we aren't losing real money. Yeah, right. We can't possibly get IG money by paying RL cash. And we can't lose the time invested in creating something in the game either. The fact that it happens in a video game doesn't excuse being happy when other people feel miserable. This is not the character that is miserable, but the player, a humain being, just like you and me. Being an ass can't be justified, no matter the circumstances. No, but it does completely excuse being happy because you win at a videogame. I win, you lose. Apparently that is supremely upsetting to the entitlement generation. And being an ass is entirely justified given some of the things I have seen people say to gankers. Ever hear of the "highsec miner grab bag"? It's the New Order's weekly collection of death threats, terms-of-service-breaking insults, and vile language used against them by the various miner populations. There is some stuff in there that justifies anything they do (in game, of course) to someone who says them. I'll go ahead and tell you this. It is 100% ok to take a jab at someone who flips out about losing a ship. Because it borders on absurdity to be that upset at losing a ship in a video game. This, basically.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
393
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Posted - 2013.10.13 18:38:00 -
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Scarlett Wesson wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:When we lose money, we aren't losing real money. Yeah, right. We can't possibly get IG money by paying RL cash. And we can't lose the time invested in creating something in the game either. The fact that it happens in a video game doesn't excuse being happy when other people feel miserable. This is not the character that is miserable, but the player, a humain being, just like you and me. Being an ass can't be justified, no matter the circumstances.
"It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail." - Gore Vidal
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3055
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Posted - 2013.10.13 19:21:00 -
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Maliandra wrote: What is it that makes these creatures tick?
Internet anonymity coupled with living in a nanny state in which you are allowed to do nothing in the least bit interesting.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Anomaly One
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.13 21:43:00 -
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I don't even take life seriously not gonna start with eve..
LOL this reminds me when I play league of legends and gank people continuously with shaco and they call me a psychopath for ruining their game and playing this champ!
Anyway OP is a troll, he keeps posting the same psychological crap every time
Quote: ------> Here's the truth: <-------
If you are regular on Reddit, 4chan, somethingawful, etc... you most likely have a broken personality.
Now with somethingawful and 4chan it's 9/10 chance that this is true.... with Reddit something like 3/4 by comparison.
Food for thought, and nothing to be proud of P.
Quote: ..If the community had some dignity they would recognize which players are just there for casual, PvE fun and would not endlessly harass them as a means of enjoyment through their frustrations. Yet they choose to do that. Many, many of them. Why? Probably failed upbringings, but who really knows... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4827
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ever hear of the "highsec miner grab bag"? It's the New Order's weekly collection of death threats, terms-of-service-breaking insults, and vile language used against them by the various miner populations. There is some stuff in there that justifies anything they do (in game, of course) to someone who says them. Oh man, that's an exciting part of minerbumpingdotcom
I should check last week's grab bag ! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
891
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Posted - 2013.10.14 01:43:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:
How about one's upbringing. Most of us learned how to act from our parents...
Seriously, we call that little manuveur the "RCI", or rectal-cranial inversion. Well done. Your parents are proud of you.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
100
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:34:00 -
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Wow, lots of people can't differentiate between a GAME and actual stuff that has value e.g National Monuments etc.
Actually doing something worthwhile with your life helps to put things in perspective, try it.
Also, tears disguised as armchair internet psychologist drivel with a healthy dose of projection trollololololoolololololololol |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
690
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:44:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Wow, lots of people can't differentiate between a GAME and actual stuff that has value e.g National Monuments etc. l
whut "Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
Tell The Others |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1159
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:47:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Wow, lots of people can't differentiate between a GAME and actual stuff that has value e.g National Monuments etc. l whut
No, for real. Some crazed individual compared destroying his mining barge to vandalizing Picasso's Guernica and blowing up Mount Rushmore.
Talk about your disassociation issues. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Helios Aquiness
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:03:00 -
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Ther are thousands of players in this game so your going to get thousands of diffrent answers. Personally I believe that anonamity breeds boldness. And since comedy at its core is the suffering of others, its really not that surprizing. Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er. |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:03:00 -
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Because of its steep learning curve and the fact that at its core, this game is really a complex economic simulator, I've noticed that EVE tends to attract a playerbase which skews older/more mature and more educated than any other videogame around. And the so-called 'tear extractors' in EVE tend to be the nicest and most fun players, generally speaking. Probably not a coincidence. For a game which is so heavily PvP-focused, it is refreshingly free from the empty-headed semi-literate pubescent "lol noobs" BS that you get with pretty much any other game that features PvP. There are exceptions, of course.
That said, the anarchic culture of this game can surely seem really weird from the outside, even through the eyes of a dedicated carebear has actually played the game for a while in highsec. It's possible to love the game's surroundings and atmosphere, but still be confounded by what it really is.
And so to the OP: I hear Farmville is a lot of fun! And there no Tear Extractors so the many sociopaths stalking Facebooks can't get you there. Maybe Zynga will put in a Tear Extractor (for a high price, of course) that you can install on your farm that will give you special powers to "grief" your friends' crops. You'll get rewards the more damage you can do in, say, three minutes!
That would be schweeeet! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
862
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:09:00 -
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New Character (well 2.5 months) : Check
Noob Corp only : Check
Makes outrageous post, does not post in thread again: Check
Stating that actions in a game relate to actions/personality in real life: Check
Obvious Troll is.... Obvious, or as the OP put it,
Maliandra wrote: must be a colossal moron!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1751
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:16:00 -
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I enjoy extracting tears because it's funny and makes me feel like a baws like those Colombian coke dealers with chainsaws Oh god. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
714
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:42:00 -
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Tears make the best lube. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3025
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:45:00 -
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Not a tear extractor myself, but i've seen others do so and it's always epic.
But something in the op struck me as stupid:
Maliandra wrote: It makes you wonder: What happened to these guys? Here we have fully grown adults that spend their free time logged onto an internet spaceship video game, with main purpose being to frustrate people and enjoy laughing about it. Really consider that for a second, creatures... you are spending hours of your free time doing the same thing snotty brats do at the age of 14... and you are doing this as adults. I would be simply and utterly surprised if any of these tear extractors have actual proper social skills in real life, and I reckon most are very doleful, shy and easy to pushover in the real world.
It's not the tear extractor who is most likely to be "doleful, shy and easy to pushover", it's the guy crying about the loss of his useless/valueless internet spaceship game pixels .
I mean seriously, if you can't handle loss in a video game (and many can't, which is why high sec is so well populated), what happens when "a country song" happens to you? I say country song because in a country music song, your old lady cheats on you, your dog dies and a tornado destroys your trailer park.
So no, it's not the tear extractor that displays the level of mental weakness that would predict real world behavioral issues, it's their prey.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:46:00 -
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Tandros Kreel wrote:Now show us where the bad pirate touched you....
This ^
He hurt me in ways I can't talk about... It was horrible! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1162
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:52:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Tandros Kreel wrote:Now show us where the bad pirate touched you.... This ^ He hurt me in ways I can't talk about... It was horrible!
*sniff* The pirate... put his torpedo in my resist hole... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
691
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Wow, lots of people can't differentiate between a GAME and actual stuff that has value e.g National Monuments etc. l whut No, for real. Some crazed individual compared destroying his mining barge to vandalizing Picasso's Guernica and blowing up Mount Rushmore. Talk about your disassociation issues.
Well
Fair enough
As physical entities I suppose those have more value "Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
Tell The Others |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3026
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:54:00 -
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Scarlett Wesson wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:When we lose money, we aren't losing real money. Yeah, right. We can't possibly get IG money by paying RL cash. And we can't lose the time invested in creating something in the game either. The fact that it happens in a video game doesn't excuse being happy when other people feel miserable. This is not the character that is miserable, but the player, a humain being, just like you and me. Being an ass can't be justified, no matter the circumstances.
So I see you've never ever played a real life sport.
Because when you play a real sport, someone loses. The losers feel bad, which would make you morally reprehensible for being both on the winning team and enjoying the win.
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