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Nalelmir Ahashion
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:16:00 -
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hi, I tried to search the forums but mostly it's old threads or missing data...
Right now I'm doing solo mining on a retriever as I'm looking for new corp.
at any rate in 24 hours or so I'll be able to use Strip Miner II with mining crystals..
I can use the t1 mining crystals and I tried to compare them to the T2.... the price of 1 t2 crystal is by average almost 10 times the price of the t1 and benefits is 0.1 bonus yield modifier (tested the data from scordite crystal) and it got double the rate of damaging itself.
so any point training for T2 crystals? |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:37:00 -
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T2 crystals give you somethin like 8-10% more mining yield, yes its worth it, but you dont need to stress about them. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:38:00 -
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Actually it's a 0.125 difference in yield modifier. That's a whooping 12,5 %.
Since everything is multiplicative, that amounts to 360x1,75 = 630m3 versus 360x1,625=585m3 yield, ignoring erveything else.
That's a difference of 7,69%.
As to the volatility, see here. So that's 400 cycles for T1 versus 200 cycles for T2.
Now you can do your math and find out, whether it's worth it for you. Remove insurance. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.13 20:58:00 -
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hmm yup that will work for me.. T2 it is. |
gargars
Cohesion Inc Beyond-Repair
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Posted - 2013.10.14 20:34:00 -
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Something related... some know this but a lot of folks don't.... you can reprocess mining crystals when they are close to end of life (say 98% damage) and get some of the minerals back it took to make them. Hey better than just letting them pop! |
Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 04:11:00 -
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gargars wrote:Something related... some know this but a lot of folks don't.... you can reprocess mining crystals when they are close to end of life (say 98% damage) and get some of the minerals back it took to make them. Hey better than just letting them pop! I used to think the same thing. Then someone pointed out that the value of the minerals that you get from reprocessing is typically less than what you will end up pulling in over time by letting the crystals just pop. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.10.18 11:18:00 -
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Gargep Farrow wrote:gargars wrote:Something related... some know this but a lot of folks don't.... you can reprocess mining crystals when they are close to end of life (say 98% damage) and get some of the minerals back it took to make them. Hey better than just letting them pop! I used to think the same thing. Then someone pointed out that the value of the minerals that you get from reprocessing is typically less than what you will end up pulling in over time by letting the crystals just pop.
While true that the nox itself will never offset the minerals you could get from that last cycle, it is possible (TBH, extremely easy) to not ever have to spend for the crystals again.
I'm not gonna tell you how to do this, but it's pretty easy. (Hint: "Base Number") One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:51:00 -
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Termy Rockling wrote:T2 crystals give you somethin like 8-10% more mining yield, yes its worth it, but you dont need to stress about them.
The point is, each mining crystal lasts for a fairly long time. That's what makes them worth using. |
Deunan Tenephais
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:18:00 -
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Salpad wrote:The point is, each mining crystal lasts for a fairly long time. That's what makes them worth using. More likely it's the ratio of cubic meter/use, the usefulness of the crystals also depends of the other mining bonuses (skills, MLU, aso).
Question, does the procurer's bonus to yield make the crystals dissolve faster ? Or is it really the less consuming barge crystal-wise, as it only has 1 strip miner for nearly the same yield as the other barges ? |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:02:00 -
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:Salpad wrote:The point is, each mining crystal lasts for a fairly long time. That's what makes them worth using. More likely it's the ratio of cubic meter/use, the usefulness of the crystals also depends of the other mining bonuses (skills, MLU, aso). Question, does the procurer's bonus to yield make the crystals dissolve faster ? Or is it really the less consuming barge crystal-wise, as it only has 1 strip miner for nearly the same yield as the other barges ?
it has nothing to do with yield.
Crystals dissolve at the start of each cycle, based on their volatility.
Life Expectancy (in cycles) = Structure Hitpoints / Volatility / Volatility Damage
T1 and T2 crystals have the same HP and Damage, just different volatility.
Veldspar T1 Volatility = 10% Veldspar T2 Volatility = 20%
1 / 0.1 / 0.025 = 400 (cycles) 1 / 0.2 / 0.025 = 200 (cycles)
edit --> now, remember the volatility is chance based so it might just happen that you get really, really terrible rolls and shatter a crystal in like 40 cycles (absolute worst case scenario) One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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Deunan Tenephais
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Posted - 2013.10.19 19:10:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:Salpad wrote:The point is, each mining crystal lasts for a fairly long time. That's what makes them worth using. More likely it's the ratio of cubic meter/use, the usefulness of the crystals also depends of the other mining bonuses (skills, MLU, aso). Question, does the procurer's bonus to yield make the crystals dissolve faster ? Or is it really the less consuming barge crystal-wise, as it only has 1 strip miner for nearly the same yield as the other barges ? it has nothing to do with yield. Crystals dissolve at the start of each cycle, based on their volatility. Life Expectancy (in cycles) = Structure Hitpoints / Volatility / Volatility Damage T1 and T2 crystals have the same HP and Damage, just different volatility. Veldspar T1 Volatility = 10% Veldspar T2 Volatility = 20% 1 / 0.1 / 0.025 = 400 (cycles) 1 / 0.2 / 0.025 = 200 (cycles) edit --> now, remember the volatility is chance based so it might just happen that you get really, really terrible rolls and shatter a crystal in like 40 cycles (absolute worst case scenario) Thanks, but what I'm thinking about is the innate 200% bonus to yield from the procurer, does it have a special malus that speed up the crystals' dissolving process ? I have trouble thinking CCP would not put something like that into the code, being petty and all... |
Ezra Endashi
LightningStrikesTwice Elemental Tide
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:53:00 -
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No special malus but crystal will be gone faster and you have to buy a new one. And for retriever, crystals will take longer but you have to buy 2 of them in the start. So its the same for retriever and procurer |
Nolen Cadmar
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:26:00 -
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I disagree with Ezra.
Suppose you mine for 400 cycles with T1 crystals. A Procurer will have consumed 1 crystal, where as the Retriever will have consumed 2. Due to the difference in yield bonuses, (Proc=200%, Ret=50%) they both have 3 effective lasers, so you get the same yield from each.
So the Procurer uses less crystals compared to the other barges. And the Proc gets the same yield per time as the Ret Fly Safe-á o7 |
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