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WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:25:00 -
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I've been recently doing missions and noticed NPCs are getting really good consistent hits. So I investigated this further and found a few things.
Looking at the combat log I found the NPCs getting big hit numbers even with resistence over 80%. I looked at the NPCs themselves during combat and they adjust their position so finely now that their ships turn almost perfect to your position. Battleships for example twist and track with such precision they're able to make big hits on even fast targets. Flying my Tengu at over 600 m/s, the battleships are still able to strike heavy damaging hits, I've even see hits of over 400-600, which I've never seen before while doing missions.
WTF has CCP done to the NPCs? Smaller ships track so well now, especially laser turrets which seem to consistently hit, and seem to ignore high resistence with silly random damage. The same can be said about rails, I thought it was due to the buff so the NPCs ships got it but it just seems to be the quality of hits have been vastly improved by the precision and tracking of the NPC ships. I find this very annoying, I mean I don't mind that missions are harder but this is just silly, watching huge battleships twisting around with such agility. |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.14 05:06:00 -
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Nothing has changed but yourself. Fly better. "QQ threads are only allowed in the Out of Pod Experience forum." - ISD Cura Ursus |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:33:00 -
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If anything the missions should be much harder, i have not noticed the changes you speak of. |
WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:45:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Nothing has changed but yourself. Fly better.
What a stupid answer. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:45:00 -
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WrATH2Zero wrote:
Looking at the combat log I found the NPCs getting big hit numbers even with resistence over 80%.
Resistance to being hit?
Big hit numbers meaning damage?
Which is it
WrATH2Zero wrote: I find this very annoying, I mean I don't mind that missions are harder but this is just silly, watching huge battleships twisting around with such agility.
In space things have mass but no weight "Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:49:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:WrATH2Zero wrote:
Looking at the combat log I found the NPCs getting big hit numbers even with resistence over 80%.
Resistance to being hit? Big hit numbers meaning damage? Which is it WrATH2Zero wrote: I find this very annoying, I mean I don't mind that missions are harder but this is just silly, watching huge battleships twisting around with such agility. In space things have mass but no weight
I get hit for 400 with 81% EM/90% Therm on a Tengu fly at 622 m/s with a sig radius of 150, it seems odd a NPC battleship can do that. Being hit at 400 by an NPC is a huge hit considering what's I'm flying and resistences.
Actually no, battleships should not be able to twist around like they do considering their mass and maneuverability |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:55:00 -
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WrATH2Zero wrote:
I get hit for 400 with 81% EM/90% Therm on a Tengu fly at 622 m/s with a sig radius of 150, it seems odd a NPC battleship can do that. Being hit at 400 by an NPC is a huge hit considering what's I'm flying and resistences.
Actually no, battleships should not be able to twist around like they do considering their mass and maneuverability
What terrible HS NPC BS is this that is doing you 400hp and you think its a lot?
HS is it?
As for BSes "twisting around", A) hasnothing to do with their statistics and likely hood of hitting you
B) Sounds like a glitch at your end if they seem to be doing it more than they were "Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:00:00 -
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Only 400 damage from a BS?
Sounds like you've got it easy. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:05:00 -
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I actually look at the log quite a lot and yes I've never seen such high hits from NPCs considering how many there are and how often they fire. Seriously though, you actually think a 400 hit on a Tengu is normal, considering I've never seen nothing near 400 on my Raven and that's has a sig radius of 430 with lower resistences.
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WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:08:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:[
B) Sounds like a glitch at your end if they seem to be doing it more than they were
And just how did you come to that conclusion, it's a server-side game. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:15:00 -
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WrATH2Zero wrote:I actually look at the log quite a lot and yes I've never seen such high hits from NPCs considering how many there are and how often they fire. Seriously though, you actually think a 400 hit on a Tengu is normal, considering I've never seen nothing near 400 on my Raven and that's has a sig radius of 430 with lower resistences.
You normally solo level 3s in high sec in your Tengu and lolRaven then?
Seriously, 400 is nothing
Maybe if you provided more information, we could help rather than mock
WrATH2Zero wrote: And just how did you come to that conclusion, it's a server-side game.
If your understanding of game mechanics is matched by your understanding of how video games actually work
I can see how you may be confused "Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:26:00 -
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For the record, how a ship is positioned or positions itself has no bearing on its ability to hit you. Only its relative speed and its paralax in conjunction to you matters. 400 is nothing damage from a BS, whether you're taking that damage on a Tengu OR a Raven, it's still nothing. If you want to see some REAL battleship damage, I've got a Navy Megathron that pumps out 1000dps and tanks for over 250K ehp. If that's too much for you, I will fight your Tengu with my Myrmidon instead. That MIGHT be a challenge for me, but given that your Tengu is probably mission fit, maybe not, and I understand if you want to keep doing easy stuff like missions instead.
Also, your EM and thermal resists might be high, but that doesn't mean the NPCs you're fighting aren't doing kinetic and/or explosive in this one case that you decided to check combat logs, but 400-600 a hit is still **** all damage for a battleship. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:28:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:WrATH2Zero wrote:I actually look at the log quite a lot and yes I've never seen such high hits from NPCs considering how many there are and how often they fire. Seriously though, you actually think a 400 hit on a Tengu is normal, considering I've never seen nothing near 400 on my Raven and that's has a sig radius of 430 with lower resistences.
You normally solo level 3s in high sec in your Tengu and lolRaven then? Seriously, 400 is nothing Maybe if you provided more information, we could help rather than mock WrATH2Zero wrote: And just how did you come to that conclusion, it's a server-side game.
If your understanding of game mechanics is matched by your understanding of how video games actually work I can see how you may be confused
What are you talking about L3's. I solo L4's, have been doing for about a year, that's not obvious by the fact I fly a Tengu and skill level and say "battleships"........
Server-side game, yes Eve Online is, agains what makes you think it's a problem my side? |
WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:32:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:For the record, how a ship is positioned or positions itself has no bearing on its ability to hit you. Only its relative speed and its paralax in conjunction to you matters. 400 is nothing damage from a BS, whether you're taking that damage on a Tengu OR a Raven, it's still nothing. If you want to see some REAL battleship damage, I've got a Navy Megathron that pumps out 1000dps and tanks for over 250K ehp. If that's too much for you, I will fight your Tengu with my Myrmidon instead. That MIGHT be a challenge for me, but given that your Tengu is probably mission fit, maybe not, and I understand if you want to keep doing easy stuff like missions instead.
Also, your EM and thermal resists might be high, but that doesn't mean the NPCs you're fighting aren't doing kinetic and/or explosive in this one case that you decided to check combat logs, but 400-600 a hit is still **** all damage for a battleship.
HELLO, anyone home? PVE. 400 hit by an NPC is actually high........ |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:38:00 -
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A lot of people in the mission community think CCP stealth coded NPC bs's to hit T3's harder by negating the Sig radius in the dice roll, basically making them hit you as hard as they would a BS.
It'shopefully only a quick fix until the nerf highsec missions and/or the T3's, apart from the legion which everyone agree's needs a buff.
Some guy's done a comparision on a few missions in a Tengu and frappsed the changes to show the diference from a few months ago and now on the same couple of missions.
link here
As you can see eyebrow raising results, ofc this is just a theory of a few people but could be the reason. |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:40:00 -
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WrATH2Zero wrote:What are you talking about L3's. I solo L4's, have been doing for about a year, that's not obvious by the fact I fly a Tengu and skill level and say "battleships"........
Server-side game, yes Eve Online is, agains what makes you think it's a problem my side?
You are talking about scales of damage concurrent with running low-grade missions
And you are using a ship designed for actual combat against difficult enemies
Therefore it is safe to assume you are doing low grade easy-mod High Sec missions
As for server/local, EvE is not somehow "beamed" to your PC without any work done by your video processor
If you think your card can't glitch, under the wrong impression you are "Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance
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WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:02:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:WrATH2Zero wrote:What are you talking about L3's. I solo L4's, have been doing for about a year, that's not obvious by the fact I fly a Tengu and skill level and say "battleships"........
Server-side game, yes Eve Online is, agains what makes you think it's a problem my side? You are talking about scales of damage concurrent with running low-grade missions And you are using a ship designed for actual combat against difficult enemies Therefore it is safe to assume you are doing low grade easy-mod High Sec missions As for server/local, EvE is not somehow "beamed" to your PC without any work done by your video processor If you think your card can't glitch, under the wrong impression you are
Are you just trolling or what? You actually think NPC battleships hitting me for high damage on a server-side game has something to do with my GPU? LMAO
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Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:04:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:A lot of people in the mission community think CCP stealth coded NPC bs's to hit T3's harder by negating the Sig radius in the dice roll, basically making them hit you as hard as they would a BS. It's hopefully only a quick fix until the nerf highsec missions and/or the T3's, apart from the legion which everyone agree's needs a buff. Some guy's done a comparision on a few missions in a Tengu and frappsed the changes to show the diference from a few months ago and now on the same couple of missions. link here As you can see eyebrow raising results, ofc this is just a theory of a few people but could be the reason.
Hooray for a response containing something that could approximate usefulness. Here were my favourite moments of utter ignorance:
Ramona McCandless wrote:In space things have mass but no weight
Well done. Are you suggesting that a ship's mass has no role in agility calculations in EVE? Because it does.
Ramona McCandless wrote:As for BSes "twisting around", A) hasnothing to do with their statistics and likely hood of hitting you
That's interesting. How do you decrease the angular velocity of a target when using turrets? I manually align my ship with the target's velocity, something which requires agility. Maybe you have a secret method.
I have no idea if the OP is right and I don't particularly care since missions were included in the game as a practical joke. But if you are going to troll at least try and be somewhere around the ballpark of correct. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:08:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:For the record, how a ship is positioned or positions itself has no bearing on its ability to hit you. Only its relative speed and its paralax in conjunction to you matters. 400 is nothing damage from a BS, whether you're taking that damage on a Tengu OR a Raven, it's still nothing. If you want to see some REAL battleship damage, I've got a Navy Megathron that pumps out 1000dps and tanks for over 250K ehp. If that's too much for you, I will fight your Tengu with my Myrmidon instead. That MIGHT be a challenge for me, but given that your Tengu is probably mission fit, maybe not, and I understand if you want to keep doing easy stuff like missions instead.
Also, your EM and thermal resists might be high, but that doesn't mean the NPCs you're fighting aren't doing kinetic and/or explosive in this one case that you decided to check combat logs, but 400-600 a hit is still **** all damage for a battleship.
You keep saying 400 is nothing but I guess your combat logs must be full of L4 NPCs hitting you for way over 400 damage then. I think not, if you can prove it then show me you combat log of a High sec L4 NPC doing over 400 damage per hit with 80% missions specific resistences. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:09:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:A lot of people in the mission community think CCP stealth coded NPC bs's to hit T3's harder by negating the Sig radius in the dice roll, basically making them hit you as hard as they would a BS. It's hopefully only a quick fix until the nerf highsec missions and/or the T3's, apart from the legion which everyone agree's needs a buff. Some guy's done a comparision on a few missions in a Tengu and frappsed the changes to show the diference from a few months ago and now on the same couple of missions. link here As you can see eyebrow raising results, ofc this is just a theory of a few people but could be the reason.
This post hit me for wrecking damage. I admit defeat. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:10:00 -
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WrATH2Zero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:For the record, how a ship is positioned or positions itself has no bearing on its ability to hit you. Only its relative speed and its paralax in conjunction to you matters. 400 is nothing damage from a BS, whether you're taking that damage on a Tengu OR a Raven, it's still nothing. If you want to see some REAL battleship damage, I've got a Navy Megathron that pumps out 1000dps and tanks for over 250K ehp. If that's too much for you, I will fight your Tengu with my Myrmidon instead. That MIGHT be a challenge for me, but given that your Tengu is probably mission fit, maybe not, and I understand if you want to keep doing easy stuff like missions instead.
Also, your EM and thermal resists might be high, but that doesn't mean the NPCs you're fighting aren't doing kinetic and/or explosive in this one case that you decided to check combat logs, but 400-600 a hit is still **** all damage for a battleship. HELLO, anyone home? PVE. 400 hit by an NPC is actually high........
No it's not. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:12:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:A lot of people in the mission community think CCP stealth coded NPC bs's to hit T3's harder by negating the Sig radius in the dice roll, basically making them hit you as hard as they would a BS. It's hopefully only a quick fix until the nerf highsec missions and/or the T3's, apart from the legion which everyone agree's needs a buff. Some guy's done a comparision on a few missions in a Tengu and frappsed the changes to show the diference from a few months ago and now on the same couple of missions. link here As you can see eyebrow raising results, ofc this is just a theory of a few people but could be the reason.
Fair enough but the video failed like a troll. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:13:00 -
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WrATH2Zero wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:A lot of people in the mission community think CCP stealth coded NPC bs's to hit T3's harder by negating the Sig radius in the dice roll, basically making them hit you as hard as they would a BS. It's hopefully only a quick fix until the nerf highsec missions and/or the T3's, apart from the legion which everyone agree's needs a buff. Some guy's done a comparision on a few missions in a Tengu and frappsed the changes to show the diference from a few months ago and now on the same couple of missions. link here As you can see eyebrow raising results, ofc this is just a theory of a few people but could be the reason. Fair enough but the video failed like a troll.
Then it's an even match for your entire thread failing like a troll. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:13:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:WrATH2Zero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:For the record, how a ship is positioned or positions itself has no bearing on its ability to hit you. Only its relative speed and its paralax in conjunction to you matters. 400 is nothing damage from a BS, whether you're taking that damage on a Tengu OR a Raven, it's still nothing. If you want to see some REAL battleship damage, I've got a Navy Megathron that pumps out 1000dps and tanks for over 250K ehp. If that's too much for you, I will fight your Tengu with my Myrmidon instead. That MIGHT be a challenge for me, but given that your Tengu is probably mission fit, maybe not, and I understand if you want to keep doing easy stuff like missions instead.
Also, your EM and thermal resists might be high, but that doesn't mean the NPCs you're fighting aren't doing kinetic and/or explosive in this one case that you decided to check combat logs, but 400-600 a hit is still **** all damage for a battleship. HELLO, anyone home? PVE. 400 hit by an NPC is actually high........ No it's not.
Show me your combat log then, yopu keep saying it not, I guess you don't even do PvE L4 high sec missions. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:14:00 -
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WrATH2Zero wrote:
Are you just trolling or what? You actually think NPC battleships hitting me for high damage on a server-side game has something to do with my GPU? LMAO
Hey, maybe I should format my drive and resinatll Windows because someone like you can't put together a serious answer.
Im sorry, but your ability to read appears to be lacking
At what point did I associate damage-dealing with your graphics glitching out?
And what high damage?
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Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:14:00 -
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WrATH2Zero wrote:
Show me your combat log then, yopu keep saying it not, I guess you don't even do PvE L4 high sec missions.
No I don't
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WrATH2Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:15:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:WrATH2Zero wrote:Mra Rednu wrote:A lot of people in the mission community think CCP stealth coded NPC bs's to hit T3's harder by negating the Sig radius in the dice roll, basically making them hit you as hard as they would a BS. It's hopefully only a quick fix until the nerf highsec missions and/or the T3's, apart from the legion which everyone agree's needs a buff. Some guy's done a comparision on a few missions in a Tengu and frappsed the changes to show the diference from a few months ago and now on the same couple of missions. link here As you can see eyebrow raising results, ofc this is just a theory of a few people but could be the reason. Fair enough but the video failed like a troll. Then it's an even match for your entire thread failing like a troll.
Or the simple fact is you lack any kind of understanding of what I'm talking about, so please **** off if you can't contribute in a meaningful way. |
lucifers widow
KGB KILLAS
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:17:00 -
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Please you fly a Tengu and you post in the wrong section of the forums, what did you really expect ? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:17:00 -
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Zappity wrote: Rides in to fire-support a complete moron who doesnt even hold a missioning permit
What did I do to get up your velvet underground?
Why are you supporting this idiot?
His case has no merit, and just because he can't even clear a High Sec L4 he thinks the game must be borked?
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Katrina Oniseki
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:19:00 -
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OP: Try recording your mission. I want to see what level 4 you're doing that is hitting you for 400 damage on 80%+ resists.
A maximum bounty Centus Tyrant mission battleship does 216 EM and 180 Thermal damage every three seconds.
I'm not sure how good you are at math, but that adds up to 396 damage at 0% resistances.
So, with your naturally ridiculous 90% thermal resists, and your 81% thermal resists, it would (before sig radius or tracking) on a perfect hit, only strike you for 41.04 EM and 18 Thermal damage. That's 59.04 total damage per hit, if you're sitting perfectly still with your hardeners on.
This is very basic math. Unless CCP has completely ****** the resistance mechanics, that is the most damage you could take before tracking, ranges, or signature radius changes. In reality, you'll be taking even less than that.
So, unless you can show me a screenshot of you getting hit for 400 damage by a battleship with your hardeners on while moving, I'm going to have to call bullshit.
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Either that or I suck at math, or don't understand how resistances work. Which is entirely possible. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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