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Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.10.29 11:07:00 -
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+1000 for the changed changed Eris! : ) I just like Gallente ships, can't help it. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
134
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Posted - 2013.10.29 11:30:00 -
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Xain deSleena wrote:Why do I even have to beg for a minimum 2 low slots on the Caldari Flycatcher? You say the Sabre is the standard and it has two low slots. Then your Flycatcher is below standard in the fitting department.
For a tech 2 destroyer it should be able to have at least 2 low slots. I have been forced to cross train over to the Sabre why would I bother flying a ship that can only fit a damage control in the low slot and not get any nanofiber love?
Please consider the implications of adding a second low slot to the Flycatcher and you will find it to be more purchasable option for budding Caldari interdictor pilots.
I feel your pain, believe me I do. My concern is losing a Hi to gain the second Low. I can handle losing a Med, especially with the resist goose but losing a Hi for it would hurt my game far more than help. ...end transmission... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ˝ |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
806
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Posted - 2013.10.29 11:50:00 -
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Roden .. one of the most pronounced about-face's in Eve history I reckon.
Did you discuss just that or have you committed resources to fleshing out an Eve wide dogma rather than merely reacting to forum pressure whenever you miss the mark?
Flogging it once more: There once was an overarching 'theme', but it has been eroded the past few years to accommodate new hulls and tiericide even though you didn't have to .. there was ample room within the constraints of the old school for all the newness but since that time has come and gone you really ought to do tap everyone with clearance and flesh out a new paradigm. It is for your (and Eve's) own good don't you know, because if you get used to being able/allowed to change "fundamental" things to make new ideas work the design/thought part of your brains grows lazy to the detriment of everything/-one.
Makes sense however; Gallente/Amarr having gun-hull and drone-hull peddlers (Khanid is not Amarr proper so all is well) while Caldari/Minmatar have gun-hull and missile-hull peddlers with Minmatar being on the fence as it were with their dual bonuses. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
369
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Posted - 2013.10.29 12:26:00 -
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I don't want to go into hysterics just yet, but it seems like these ships are going to outperform Assault Frigates in just about every area except sig radius.
As tempting as it is, power creep is not the answer. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
376
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:00:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
As for the eris vs sabre, its been staple racial characteristics that minmatar are agile and can kite better, where as gallente have high straight line speed but poor agility. its why people are confused by the low agility of the sabre.
You have literally zero idea what you're talking about and couldn't be more wrong, as in your opinion of the way things are is exactly 100% the opposite (in both statement from CCP and actuality of ship stats) of how things really are.
hmm this is why i shouldnt post about ship balancing stuff when im ridiculously tired! well played grath for a deserved ***** slap! :P |
KA3AHOBA
A0 Inc Bora Alis
3
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:01:00 -
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Another unwanted nerf, now interdictors be garbage :( And now stels bombers cant be kill solo (with bomb) interdictos on mwd. Why this is unwanted nerf? 60 sec of reloading - big allyes now just get more interdictors in fleet to trow enought bublies, but this update kill normal small-solo-camps.
Dear DEV's, if u need work - boost Eagle - that ship need realy boost
P.S. if ships after updates is so changes - why not get chances for players to re-balance their skillpoints ? if player teach skills to fly with old-good ship but get what this ship is so changet after new patch? It be true what player get chance to rebalance they skillpoint if not need ship after re-balance.
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Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
290
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:08:00 -
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4% shield resist for the flycatcher as its bonus.
Personally I'd give the Heretic 4 lows and 2 mids as well, given its supposed to be a tanky ship, 3 low slots is not a lot to go with. 1 Damage Control, 1 Resistance Modules and or rep or plate? Not a lot of leeway for innovation there. Boldly going forward, still can't find reverse - name that tune kids! |
Urkhan Law
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
25
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:16:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: As for the eris vs sabre, its been staple racial characteristics that minmatar are agile and can kite better, where as gallente have high straight line speed but poor agility. its why people are confused by the low agility of the sabre.
You really look confused. It is exactly the oposite. Speed: Minmatar > Galente Agility: Galente > Minmatar
The complains about what have been happening with some Minmatar ships are:
- Base speed advantage of Minmatar ships does not exist anymore thanks to the hilarious extra mass.
- Being the least agile of them all is very strange for the race that was all about speed and hit and run tactics.
Long time ago, MInmatar had everything: speed + agility + less mass. Some time ago, Mass and agility changed: Minmatar still had the speed, not the rest. Now with more mass and agility nerfs Minmatar doesn't even have the speed advantage anymore. Ex: Base speed Rupture is faster than the Vexor, slap an MWD to both, now Vexor is well... everything more then the Rupture.
All races have kiting/brawlers/brick ships, everything is a big mess, race *flavour* and identity is disappearing, only thing left are *some* weapon systems. They didn't gave blasters to amarr hulls and lasers to Minmatar yet but at this pace I wouldn't be surprised if they started doing it. After all, killing all racial perks will make the game easier to balance, it's the easy way out.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
357
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:25:00 -
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Hooray for the Eris...finally it makes sense. I like the bubble launcher now too - at a glance the interdictors now look much better. Cheers. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
376
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:43:00 -
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Urkhan Law wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: As for the eris vs sabre, its been staple racial characteristics that minmatar are agile and can kite better, where as gallente have high straight line speed but poor agility. its why people are confused by the low agility of the sabre.
You really look confused. It is exactly the oposite.
yup thats what a realllllly late night does to me... its not pretty! Grath did point it out to me :P lol!
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
201
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:50:00 -
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I'm ok with the dps changes on these ships.
They do allot of damage now, or at least have the potential to. Ok in retrospect Assault Frigates might have an issue with them.
That is fine.
These are based off the destroyer hulls, which are generally not overly used except for microfleets or ganking freighters. These interdictors can be run solo, can be run in a gang, can be run in a fleet, and they aren't dusted off the field in 3 seconds.
They may have become too strong based on the ability for them to kite and potentially kill larger targets.
Again, fine with that.
The real fear with people using these is not the assault frigate or cruiser players....
Its the people in the capitals, supercapitals and titans....
Nullsec and wormhole space just got more dangerous for cap pilots...
And on the flycatcher, has anybody actually fit out one yet with the new changes? I hear people complaining about the single low... but has anybody actually tried/fit it yet? Stabbers are totally broken
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
376
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:02:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote: ...
And on the flycatcher, has anybody actually fit out one yet with the new changes? I hear people complaining about the single low... but has anybody actually tried/fit it yet?
just finished adding the new changes to my EveHQ and have this as a quick mock up
[Rubicon Flycatcher, Rubicon shield Fleet]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I Prototype Cloaking Device I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Core Defense Field Extender I
9,6k ehp tank omni 2.6km/sec mwd on (3.7km/sec OH) fairly even resists - ie no gaping holes 139 DPS with 15km range
obviously you can reduce agility/speed to add dps or reduce agility/speed & dps for higher tank but its very workable currently imho i cant see it being a high DPS platform with only 1 low, though with light missiles it might be a good kiter. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
134
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:41:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:
And on the flycatcher, has anybody actually fit out one yet with the new changes? I hear people complaining about the single low... but has anybody actually tried/fit it yet?
I once wished for a second low (not in this thread), but both V1 and V2 changes are more than enough to make me a happy pilot.
I support flycatcher v2. A lot. ...end transmission... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ˝ |
KA3AHOBA
A0 Inc Bora Alis
3
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:18:00 -
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Fix Black Ops
>Note: can fit Covert Cynosural Field Generators and Covert Jump Portal Generators
Why Black Ops cant be fitted with Covert cloaking device and warp in cloak ??? That is like stels bombers without cloak warping.....
Blackbird have cheap price and much more range of jammers and good jammers power but Falcon have biggest price + low range + not so jamm power+no tank+targeting penalty after de cloack !!! :(
Why All Force Recons have penalty after de cloaking ???
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Sigras
Conglomo
534
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Posted - 2013.10.29 15:43:00 -
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KA3AHOBA wrote:Fix Black Ops
>Note: can fit Covert Cynosural Field Generators and Covert Jump Portal Generators
Why Black Ops cant be fitted with Covert cloaking device and warp in cloak ??? That is like stels bombers without cloak warping.....
Blackbird have cheap price and much more range of jammers and good jammers power but Falcon have biggest price + low range + not so jamm power+no tank+targeting penalty after de cloack !!! :(
Why All Force Recons have penalty after de cloaking ???
1. Really off topic 2. because warping cloaked wouldnt fix any of the problems that black ops ships have and would actually introduce some new ones. 3. are you really arguing that the falcon is under powered? |
Tiye Q
SOLAR MESSIAHS INC.
14
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:31:00 -
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Rapid launch bomber launcher please.
Thanks. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.10.29 19:14:00 -
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Why is the cap regen for all the dictors the same? The Eris has by far the largest cap draw. It's the same for interceptors where the Crusader has by far the largest cap draw.
In other news, the Eris pumps out huge >300dps before heat in its bubble, more than a Catalyst. I'm guessing it will be the most popular dictor. I'm also fearing that dictors will be a straight upgrade for T1 destroyers, even if you don't care about the bubble.
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Imigo Montoya
Abraxsys Get Off My Lawn
116
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Posted - 2013.10.29 19:24:00 -
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Loving the v2 changes. Thanks. |
Samara Anninen
4
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Posted - 2013.10.29 21:59:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Finally we're also updating the Eris weapon systems to match the latest version of the Roden flavour.
Maybe Nemesis and Eris should swap the manufacturers? IMHO, it would be more logical from lore side if missiles-using SB would be produced by Roden (who prefer missiles) while blasters-using dictor would be produced by leading blaster manufacturer (Duvolle). |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
427
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:14:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:Why is the cap regen for all the dictors the same? The Eris has by far the largest cap draw. It's the same for interceptors where the Crusader has by far the largest cap draw.
In other news, the Eris pumps out huge >300dps before heat in its bubble, more than a Catalyst. I'm guessing it will be the most popular dictor. I'm also fearing that dictors will be a straight upgrade for T1 destroyers, even if you don't care about the bubble.
The speed is the main thing for me. Dictors move at sensible speeds, but destroyers and AFs are lol slow for some reason.
Also the cap thing is the same on all ships - ships that need more cap don't actually get more cap, meaning amarr suck at cap warfare and minmatar have neuts everywhere because they have normal cap recharge, despite having no modules that actually use it (lol ASBs). |
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Gallastian Khanid
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
36
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:30:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:I'm ok with the dps changes on these ships.
They do allot of damage now, or at least have the potential to. Ok in retrospect Assault Frigates might have an issue with them.
That is fine.
These are based off the destroyer hulls, which are generally not overly used except for microfleets or ganking freighters. These interdictors can be run solo, can be run in a gang, can be run in a fleet, and they aren't dusted off the field in 3 seconds.
They may have become too strong based on the ability for them to kite and potentially kill larger targets.
Again, fine with that.
The real fear with people using these is not the assault frigate or cruiser players....
Its the people in the capitals, supercapitals and titans....
Nullsec and wormhole space just got more dangerous for cap pilots...
And on the flycatcher, has anybody actually fit out one yet with the new changes? I hear people complaining about the single low... but has anybody actually tried/fit it yet?
Current Flycatcher has only 1 low. It is still a strong Dictor with a lot of niche roles. Having a gazillion mids means you can fit a mean shield tank on a Flycatcher.
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
134
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:55:00 -
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Dictors... giggle ...end transmission... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ˝ |
Hairpins Blueprint
Paragraph 22 Aureus Alae
20
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:53:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Interdictors v2 ahoy!
We're going a bit more radical with the updated rebalance on these ships, incorporating a few good ideas from the community and making changes to the sphere launchers as well as the ships themselves.
The biggest change is to the Interdiction Sphere Launcher itself. We're removing the reactivation delay, and instead giving the Launcher a smaller three bubble magazine, 5 second cycle time and one minute reload time (like the ASB). Interdiction Sphere Launchers will then be limited to one per ship. This will mean that pilots will be able to launch three bubbles in quick succession and then wait 60 seconds for the reload, or choose to save their bubbles and launch one at a time to avoid the reload for as long as possible. The limit to one per ship will allow more practical fitting options for fleet dictors instead of forcing everyone into partially fit flying coffins, and fits well with the general survivability increases that are the second part of the v2 changes.
With the bubble reactivation delay gone, the shared Interdictors skill bonus is no longer needed and will be replaced with a 10% per level reduction in MWD signature radius penalty (at level 5 this gives the same benefit as the AF or HAC role bonus). We're also giving the dictors another slight bump in base HP and upgrading their T2 resists to the same level enjoyed by EAFs. Combined these changes should make it a lot more realistic for good interdictor pilots to stay on field for longer periods of time.
Since they are gaining such significant survivability benefits we are going to slightly pull back the speed at which they can enter the field, via a decrease in warp speed from 8au/s in the first proposal to 6.75au/s in this one (same speed as most T2 frigates). We are also toning down the agility changes on the Sabre and Heretic, to the slight benefit of the Sabre and slight detriment of the Heretic.
Finally we're also updating the Eris weapon systems to match the latest version of the Roden flavour. It will be a pure hybrid boat, with bonuses to optimal, tracking and damage. This matches the theme of the Ares and our plans for future rebalances of Roden Shipyards vessels.
Now thats SUPERB : best changes to interdictors you could do \o/ |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2547
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:13:00 -
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Samara Anninen wrote:Maybe Nemesis and Eris should swap the manufacturers? IMHO, it would be more logical from lore side if missiles-using SB would be produced by Roden (who prefer missiles) while blasters-using dictor would be produced by leading blaster manufacturer (Duvolle). I think the point here is that Roden's backstory is switching them from missiles to railguns. Considering the expansion of the Minmatar missile ship range and the expansion of the Khanid theme to cover long as well as short ranged missiles, we don't need Roden muscling in on that territory as well and rails make more sense. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Alghara
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:36:00 -
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very good revision "V2".
But i don't like very much the heretic with 3 medium 3 low.
for me 2 medium 4 low will be better like eris |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
137
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:49:00 -
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Alghara wrote:very good revision "V2".
But i don't like very much the heretic with 3 medium 3 low.
for me 2 medium 4 low will be better like eris If you prefer the slot layout of the Eris then fly the Eris. Choices man, choices. Racial destroyer V only takes about a week. |
Alghara
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.10.30 20:12:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Alghara wrote:very good revision "V2".
But i don't like very much the heretic with 3 medium 3 low.
for me 2 medium 4 low will be better like eris If you prefer the slot layout of the Eris then fly the Eris. Choices man, choices. Racial destroyer V only takes about a week.
i can fly all race it's not a problem.
But 3 slot for dps and tanking is really short.
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Syri Taneka
NOVA-CAINE
88
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Posted - 2013.10.30 20:31:00 -
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Alghara wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Alghara wrote:very good revision "V2".
But i don't like very much the heretic with 3 medium 3 low.
for me 2 medium 4 low will be better like eris If you prefer the slot layout of the Eris then fly the Eris. Choices man, choices. Racial destroyer V only takes about a week. i can fly all race it's not a problem. But 3 slot for dps and tanking is really short.
Odd...
Last I checked, an interdictor's role in a fleet isn't DPS...
Oh! You're talking about being an ******* and gate camping to trap shuttles and t1 frigates.
Bring a friend? |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
139
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Posted - 2013.10.30 20:49:00 -
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Alghara wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Alghara wrote:very good revision "V2".
But i don't like very much the heretic with 3 medium 3 low.
for me 2 medium 4 low will be better like eris If you prefer the slot layout of the Eris then fly the Eris. Choices man, choices. Racial destroyer V only takes about a week. i can fly all race it's not a problem. But 3 slot for dps and tanking is really short. Actually I would think that being able to fit the standard MWD/web/scam would make the ship more useful as a tackler in a small gate camp than being able to fit another damage or tank mod on a destroyer hull would. A ship for each style I guess. Then again I don't do gate camps as I find them boring. |
S1euth
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:48:00 -
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Syri Taneka wrote:
(especially the poor Flycatcher, which basically has to choose between more damage or a DC II (which isn't really a choice at all = P)).
The Flycatchers choice is between a nano or a co-processor II; Flycatcher pilots dream of the day when they can choose between a BCS or DC II. |
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