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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
564
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:33:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Onictus wrote:Quote:
No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system.
Little miracle called a carrier, jump to low, fly out in with a neutral alt. I'm not wasting 2 hours fishing for holes that may go in right direction. Well done, you have a carrier. Your initial post was whinging about the supposed difficulties of ratting in nullsec, namely getting the loot out. Here, I'll post it for you: Onictus wrote:But I can make 60/hr in high sec while in fleets with a high sec alt with borderline skills and 250 mil of raven AND not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it. So you rat in highsec because getting everything back from null is a real pain. Wormholes are a way around this for people who don't have carrier or jump bridge support. Which you do. So what's your problem? Maybe you are just argumentative by nature.
Because cynoes don't light themselves, so yes it's aggravating. I don't really like bearing, its a waste of time I could be doing something useful.
Not to mention at 16-18 mil per trip it's not something you do daily if you can avoid it. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2130
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:34:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:There is major flaw in your 1 billion / hour calculation: you forgot to include billions in lost ships and hundreds of hours you've spent to gain knowledge of null.
1) It's near impossible to lose a ship in a nullsec system if you're there first, you're vigilant and you've made interplanetary safes 2) It takes you hundreds of hours to check dotlan and dscan? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2130
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:39:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote: when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.
"Substantially". When was the last time you got paid to flip burgers? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Sorao Soreen
Section 496
16
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:52:00 -
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some great reading and info there ziona thanx. would it be ok to hit you up ingame to have a chat give me some advice or somthing. cheers |
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
37
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:57:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Rumtin wrote:Agreed, the isk figures are higher so in theory you're making a lot more per tick, but the fact you have yourself and 30+ other ships to contend with means you don't always get to run the sites. If a solo ninja can find an empty system for themselves, why can't a sov holder with maps/bridges/intel?
Unlike some random nuet that wonders system to system, corps part of an alliance that agree to remain in areas they control are limited. As a member of LAWN living in Delve, I can't just go ratting in Dekklin whenever I feel like it, there's consequences. I have to remain in LAWN operating areas. As a member of the CFC, I thought you would have known this. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
528
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:01:00 -
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Rumtin wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Rumtin wrote:Agreed, the isk figures are higher so in theory you're making a lot more per tick, but the fact you have yourself and 30+ other ships to contend with means you don't always get to run the sites. If a solo ninja can find an empty system for themselves, why can't a sov holder with maps/bridges/intel? Unlike some random nuet that wonders system to system, corps part of an alliance that agree to remain in areas they control are limited. As a member of LAWN living in Delve, I can't just go ratting in Dekklin whenever I feel like it, there's consequences. I have to remain in LAWN operating areas. As a member of the CFC, I thought you would have known this. Sekret Alt account.
Sorao Soreen wrote:some great reading and info there ziona thanx. would it be ok to hit you up ingame to have a chat give me some advice or somthing. cheers Yeah of course. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
262
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:04:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote: when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.
"Substantially". When was the last time you got paid to flip burgers?
Spoke to an 18 yr old student who worked KFC up until last year. A billion an hour? That's nice. Still rather be derping around with good company doing things i like. That's just me though, having fun with cheerful, insightful people has always drawn me away from scraping up play money.
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Isk/hr...jesus christ. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
voetius
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
98
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:09:00 -
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Just for the record Infinity, I wasn't having a dig at you with my remark about people's motives for posting the "nerf xxx" type threads, it was more of a general comment.
On the subject of null sec plexing though I think you should take into account the sunk cost of the time you spent training up all those ships and fits, the time spent learning how to get around without dieing etc, though I appreciate taking wormholes cuts some travel risks and finally that you are running multiple accounts. TBH I'd rather just trade on my alt, too much hassle for me :) |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
202
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:12:00 -
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I really dont get wy null sec guys have alts in empire , if you dont make more isk with anom/ded sites in null then high sec , you doing soemting awful wrong and you should pod yourself back to empire and save the damsell for the 1001 time. The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
123
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:14:00 -
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Now youve made this forum post there might be less sites to run. Also the difference isnt that big if you factor in incursions. |
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Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
18
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:33:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:... Good for you that you have the option to buy isk. However a lot of people don't like to buy it since it cheapens the whole experience of playing a game. Sort of like buying monopoly money. Others have better things to spend their RL dollars on.
Me I sometimes will buy a plex however since I'm attempting to fund 10 stealth bomber alts I'd rather not spend 150 per month.
.... See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX. Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off. You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.
Clearly you are going to live forever, there's no other way that works out.
How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
262
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:55:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:... How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living.
Of course, but when the thread is named High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income- the reality, followed by some figures that prove my point that the richest PVE is still kid's money earned over a long damn time, then we're into metrics not opinions. OP claims to be having a super jolly fun time getting enough spaec moneys to fund 10 bomber alts, which makes me straight up tearful since he doesn't have the personality to pull together 10 people to his cause from the 14k online. Look up OPs threads, he's never wrong. Gets shot out of a lolfit proteus and still declares total omniscience. There's a straight line i'm drawing here.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1701
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:55:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote: How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living.
This, pretty much ...
However I will argue that how someone decides to use their "game time" is not solely up to them. Anyone can waltz into their mission or belt or wormhole and force them to play "their way" for a little while through various nefarious acts:
- Stealing the mission "goal" (e.g. The Damsel) - Blowing up their mining barge - wardec (in hisec anyway) - RF a POS - miner bumping/extortion a la "The New Order" - gate/station camp and ransom - etc. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:59:00 -
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I approve of this thread. So sick of the constant "nerf highsec" propaganda from certain nullbears. The typical highsec occupations pay pitifully. Incursions, scamming and station trading all offer the potential for much higher income but at an appropriately higher risk and investment/reward ratio. Not gonna go into wardecc'ing because I know nothing about it.
So yeah. Keep it up, Ziona.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
531
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:01:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Amber Kurvora wrote:... How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living. Of course, but when the thread is named High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income- the reality, followed by some figures that prove my point that the richest PVE is still kid's money earned over a long damn time, then we're into metrics not opinions. OP claims to be having a super jolly fun time getting enough spaec moneys to fund 10 bomber alts, which makes me straight up tearful since he doesn't have the personality to pull together 10 people to his cause from the 14k online. Look up OPs threads, he's never wrong. Gets shot out of a lolfit proteus and still declares total omniscience. There's a straight line i'm drawing here. lmao. I must have touched you incorrectly with my Proteus lolfit. That would be the lolfit that killed got 22 kills in an alliance hub before getting hot dropped by 17 people yeah?
From where I stand, 22 solo kills for a lol-fit is not bad. Must have been killing lol-pilots. Oh yeah I was, same people that sold their two regions to Goons rather than defend themselves :)
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Prince Kobol
1047
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:10:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:I really dont get wy null sec guys have alts in empire , if you dont make more isk with anom/ded sites in null then high sec , you doing soemting awful wrong and you should pod yourself back to empire and save the damsell for the 1001 time.
Maybe because of some us have limited time when we can play without having to go afk due to RL so we chose to spend it PvP'ing.
I only get a few hours per day were I know I wont have to go afk for any number of RL reasons.
Its far easier running missions in HS / Incursions / Trading / Scamming to generate isk as you can go afk when ever you chose, even if it means just floating in space. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
607
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:10:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:[ See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX. Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off. You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX[i] when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.
NOT IN EVERY PART OF THIS FKING WORLD DUDE GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1184
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:11:00 -
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Few things here. We've already established that the upper bounds of single player income in nullsec are higher. That was never in dispute, but it sure seems to be the highlight here. Not sure why.
Secondly, I see no screenshots or proof of this assertion of any kind. Also, the math is bad, flat out. It's not "my isk/hr is how long it took me to run it". No. It's how long you spent in nullsec before you left, which divides into your total gains. Not just "well I made a bunch of money on a lucky drop in a Guristas site, so nullsec is fine", because to anyone who has ever lived there, that logic wouldn't float if it were made of helium.
Thirdly, it's not just one guy doing DEDs vs one guy in highsec doing missions for your math if nullsec is better. Under most circumstances you have only one guy getting the DED site (the exception being site thieving), whereas there is absolutely no limit on missions. So it's the one guy in nullsec vs 10-20 guys missioning and mining.
No matter how you slice that, nullsec gets the smaller piece.
Oh, and one more thing. Nullsec doesn't need it's sites buffed, either, unlike the OPs disingenuous insinuations to the effect that people claim they do. When people say they want nullsec buffed, they mean so that it's not completely pointless to perform almost any industrial task in null. Everything else is unprofitable compared to the utter ease and total lack of risk involved in production in highsec.
Then, the thread title itself is improper, even if the OPs false assertion were correct. Nullsec isn't fine because sites are fine. Not when highsec has: missions, comparatively safe mining, total monopoly on production, etc. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
459
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:24:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yesterday I made 1 billion isk in 45 minutes running The Maze, a few minutes before that I ran a Guristas Military Operations Complex and made an additional 500 million or so. Apart from the modules I looted 2 faction BS BPC's worth 600 million. I think in total I made 2 billion on both sites. About 2 hours worth of combat sites.
I can make that with low sec plexes too. Level 4s should still be moved to low sec. The only good isk making PvE that should be available in high sec is incursions because at least there you need to have a fleet and compete for the sites. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
802
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:28:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote: Still rather be derping around with good company doing things i like. That's just me though, having fun with cheerful, insightful people has always drawn me away from scraping up play money.
that's ok if you play Eve Online like Counter-Strike in space. However you'd be better see other parts of this game too ;)
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
202
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:29:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:I really dont get wy null sec guys have alts in empire , if you dont make more isk with anom/ded sites in null then high sec , you doing soemting awful wrong and you should pod yourself back to empire and save the damsell for the 1001 time. Maybe because of some us have limited time when we can play without having to go afk due to RL so we chose to spend it PvP'ing. I only get a few hours per day were I know I wont have to go afk for any number of RL reasons. Its far easier running missions in HS / Incursions / Trading / Scamming to generate isk as you can go afk when ever you chose, even if it means just floating in space.
you can go afk in null sec anytime too , ask your ceo to put up a tower or dock at station , or just saf log off and login when you done with your girl The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3053
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:31:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:There is always a lot of talk on the forums from the null sec cartel crowd about the profitability of high sec mission running, especially in comparison to null sec.
There are often calls to nerf nerf nerf missions in high sec and buff null sec to encourage people to move out of high sec.
About a month ago somebody ask me to test out my theory that null sec income is already vastly superior to high sec, which I believed to be true, based on my observations of null seccers running sanctums in complete safety in deep null.
So I took it upon myself to grab a couple of battleships, sneak them through a wormhole and run some sanctums myself in Goonsec.
I made around 80 million isk per hour. However I suspected that I could do quite a lot better so I did a bit of research and fitted out a passive Proteus and run some combat sites.
I made between 100 and 500 million an hour depending on the drops but the going was quite slow and I had a lot of sites stolen before completion since I'm plexing in hostile space. So I did some more research and discovered that a properly fit Ishtar can run virtually any serpentis / guristas null site.
Yesterday I made 1 billion isk in 45 minutes running The Maze, a few minutes before that I ran a Guristas Military Operations Complex and made an additional 500 million or so. Apart from the modules I looted 2 faction BS BPC's worth 600 million. I think in total I made 2 billion on both sites. About 2 hours worth of combat sites.
I can easily make a billion isk per day running between 2 and 5 sites. Sure some don't drop anything, but the majority do. The Guristas Military Operations site has 3 guaranteed (1 Hac, 2 BS) dread guristas spawns plus a 100 million in OE. The Maze is guaranteed to drop 160 mill OE and will usually drop Pith X-Type loot worth hundreds of millions.
The most common sites can be run in minutes, with a good chance at a DG battleship or an escalation to a DG BS.
I will never waste my time running L4 missions, or even L5 missions when even as a ninja plexer, who needs to cloak up for hours sometimes when Goons come into system with their silly probes, can make a billion or more a day.
Can you imagine how much alliance peeps are making having stations, fitting, friends and complete safety that I don't have the luxury of having.
Given that, what is this rubbish about L4's and their amazing profitablity??? Curious minds would like to know.
You don't make as much in lvl 4s in high sec as you can in null sec. But:
-It's close (too close)
-High sec lvl 4 income is virtually Un-interuptable and the agents give infinite missions (meaning you could theoretically mission from down time to down time in a well fit mission ship). you dojn't need intel channels or even local to do your thing in high sec.
This does not take into account High Sec incursions, of which there are actual communities (unlike low sec and null sec).
A buddy of mine just came back to the game, So I helped him get into a couple of the incursion communities I fly with. after a few days we went to null where we have upgraded systems.
It wasn't even close. Me and him farming anoms in machariels, doing the occasional escalations etc, made less isk than we would have had we just staty in empire spamming "1400 Mach LFSF in those incursion group channels. EVEN factoring in the wait times, it was more isk.
The big problem with you Infitinty is that you seem to always have this need to fuel your own prejudices (much in the same way as we see with other defenders of the high sec status quo like Harry Forever and Dinsdale). It blinds you to actual reality.
We get that you don't like the people in null sec. But that doesn't change the verifiable fact that High Sec ways of making income are too good in a game that is supposed to feature higher rewards for higher risks. High sec is the stable, protected zone and there should be a real cost for choosing to stay there.
As it is now, I can choose 120-150 mil an hour with a machariel in null sec where I have to react to threats, or 180 mil (120 mil isk plus LP selling at 1.1k isk per CONCORD LP) an hour in high sec doing HQ sites in a shiney incursion fleet. That's heavily broken. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
222
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:31:00 -
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I really don't see the need to move L4s. the income you get from them is pretty dire compared to what you can make ratting or exploring in low. i mean unless you want to trash your faction standings for those tags or run a dedicated alt.
runnning them ad nauseam is also about the dullest PvE activity in eve, bar mining. freelance space bum |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1184
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:34:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:I really don't see the need to move L4s. the income you get from them is pretty dire compared to what you can make ratting or exploring in low. i mean unless you want to trash your faction standings for those tags or run a dedicated alt.
runnning them ad nauseam is also about the dullest PvE activity in eve, bar mining.
My assertion has been for some time that fixing wardecs is the first step to actually balancing highsec. Once wardecs have teeth (such as generating killrights on people who leave corps during a dec) then we can see what the realities are in highsec.
Because the primary intended method of introducing risk to highsec is broken(nonexistent would perhaps be a better word), it's impossible to balance it from the perspective that currently exists. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Bill Saisima
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:37:00 -
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What I don't really see in the calculations are traveling (time lost for looking for sites, scanning them, waiting for a 2 hour gate camp to clear or go 25 jumps in other direction if possible at all). Requires 2 accounts, one with cloaky / scanner something. Also 2 bil / hour doesn't equal 7 bil per month, I make 7 bil per month in hisec. Living in null means protecting your space, for the 3 hours I am in game in an evening quite possibly 2 or 3 are ops where I lose money not gain. So in long term high sec is just as competitive because of the non existant dependencies and much easier bottlenecks. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3053
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:39:00 -
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Zappity wrote:I've been wandering through null in an alt lately. I see HEAPS of combat sites available in both NPC and sov null. I donGÇÖt understand why anyone would run missions in highsec.
Because the people of high sec can't stand the thought of any risk at all. It's why I make so much isk running lvl 5s in low sec (very profitable, but also time consuming with a fair bit of overhead).
Also, most of those "combat sites" are crap. Only "named" hubs, havens, sanctums and some of the named rally points are good anomalies to run, the rest don't tend to be worth the ammo needed to shoot them. Of the signatures, the DED sites can be hit or miss, the un-rateds are generally crap and the profession sites are so so. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
222
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:41:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:I really don't see the need to move L4s. the income you get from them is pretty dire compared to what you can make ratting or exploring in low. i mean unless you want to trash your faction standings for those tags or run a dedicated alt.
runnning them ad nauseam is also about the dullest PvE activity in eve, bar mining. My assertion has been for some time that fixing wardecs is the first step to actually balancing highsec. Once wardecs have teeth (such as generating killrights on people who leave corps during a dec) then we can see what the realities are in highsec. Because the primary intended method of introducing risk to highsec is broken(nonexistent would perhaps be a better word), it's impossible to balance it from the perspective that currently exists.
a wardec is against a corporation not an individual. if you want to shoot people with impunity go to null, that's what it's there for. freelance space bum |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
57157
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:42:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Given that, what is this rubbish about L4's and their amazing profitablity??? Curious minds would like to know.
For real.
It's the worst ISK per hour of anything I do in-game (and no, I do not mine Ore).
This has just been a point for trolling for 10 years because Trolls. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1417
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:42:00 -
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Run your "simulation" for a year. Adjust for effort. Hisec wins hands-down.
End ****** thread. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
57157
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:43:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Because the people of high sec can't stand the thought of any risk at all.
That's such a broad generalization I'm almost embarrassed for you for typing it. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
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