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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.20 20:41:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote: Okay, You didn't actually say that, you just show it with photographic proof, but you didn't say it. Ya got me I surrender.
Lol. You're pretty funny, thanks for the humour.
You're arguing a pure strawman. This entire thread is me saying they are everywhere, other people are also saying they are everywhere. You know why because you can't jump one or two jumps without finding a combat site of some form or another. Well except in your little bubbles of safety, the Goon Hub.
You said
Quote:I love all the highsec publords, spouting off about how every system has a 6/10-10/10 each, and every belt has an officer or hauler spawn, oh and I should not forget that every anomaly will have a faction spawn that doesn't just drop tags and ammo, and will escalate as well.
You got called on it. This is what we were talking about when we said I didn't say that. What you have attempted to do is shift the focus off yourself and your exaggerated nonsense above by creating a false argument that I denied saying they weren't extremely common and waiting for people to run.
Now stop obfuscating and show us where anyone at all said in this thread what you pretended they said... You've gone full ****** now and you know the rule right? |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2408
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:07:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:But...but that one doesn't count. Rrrrrrreally? You admitted it yourself, what I said was not what you tried to pretend I said, you got caught out, I suggest fitting a damage control II or something immediately to cover your ass before you embarrass it anymore :) Did you, or did you not state, that when you went out, you found them and brought back billions? The only inference one can derive from your statement is, that they are everywhere and you just need to put in the effort to make billions. Trying to weasle your way out of it by stating I misunderstood you is not helping your case. The explanation to this is all very simple - when he was making up his stories of blue loots raining from faction spawns that litter our space so deeply we can barely move for them, he failed to realise he was creating a 1:10000000 scenario. There's a disonnance between what he thinks he's saying, and what he's actually showing. He's just not smart enough to have yet latched on to why everyone is pointing and laughing, and has assumed it must be some sort of illness that's overtaken us.
Like, the super basic economics 101 truth that the supply he's quoting would lead to low prices still isn't sinking in. He's clutching to his argument by trying to play semantics ping-pong as though you won't notice you're past beating his argument, and are simply discussing the words that did it.
It's the Dunning-Kruger problem though, he actually thinks he's still in it, because he can't see why he's patently wrong. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2408
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:10:00 -
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Like, just muse this one, he's literally insisting that:
"This screenshot of loot (which I will not in any way try to prove came from actual sites and is any more than a hangar full of loot) is what I made in, like, a whole minute. I pinky swear there's no other way this screenshot could exist. This means it is proof. No, no, see I can hand-wave that it's not even something that could drop in your space and very clearly represents many hours of touring large swaths of nullsec because I said it was like a minute in your space didn't you hear? It's proof" "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:12:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:But...but that one doesn't count. Rrrrrrreally? You admitted it yourself, what I said was not what you tried to pretend I said, you got caught out, I suggest fitting a damage control II or something immediately to cover your ass before you embarrass it anymore :) Did you, or did you not state, that when you went out, you found them and brought back billions? The only inference one can derive from your statement is, that they are everywhere and you just need to put in the effort to make billions. Trying to weasle your way out of it by stating I misunderstood you is not helping your case. The explanation to this is all very simple - when he was making up his stories of blue loots raining from faction spawns that litter our space so deeply we can barely move for them, he failed to realise he was creating a 1:10000000 scenario. There's a disonnance between what he thinks he's saying, and what he's actually showing. He's just not smart enough to have yet latched on to why everyone is pointing and laughing, and has assumed it must be some sort of illness that's overtaken us. Like, the super basic economics 101 truth that the supply he's quoting would lead to low prices still isn't sinking in. He's clutching to his argument by trying to play semantics ping-pong as though you won't notice you're past beating his argument, and are simply discussing the words that did it. It's the Dunning-Kruger problem though, he actually thinks he's still in it, because he can't see why he's patently wrong. Wow. Its hard to believe I share 98.5% of the same dna with you. Blinded by Goonness :) |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2410
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:16:00 -
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I realise that just yapping insults is easier than accepting you're wrong, but you should try both some time. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
164
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:18:00 -
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it's not stupidity, it's just propaganda, and laughably invisible at that.
nullsec is profitable enough that they can swindle the idiot-class into paying for "access" to it (which is already free). furthermore, they limit themselves to certain systems, and these people will still come out with a profit.
then realize it's at least 2x more profitable to NOT rent, as you lose all the overhead, and gain the ability to roam and farm in whatever system you want. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:19:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:I realise that just yapping insults is easier than accepting you're wrong, but you should try both some time. You just can't accept you're wrong. Clearly I decided to buy the billions in loot in Jita and take a screenshot. I also must have conspired with the Gurista's, Serpentis and Blood Raiders to allow me to get that loot in space in the other screenshots, probably paid them off with RMT. So much Goon tinfoil in this thread :) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7051
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:21:00 -
[1028] - Quote
I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
164
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null.
yes. i was hallucinating when i got my loot in null.
i hallucinated isk right into my wallet, and then bought PLEX with it.
you jealous? |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
522
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:28:00 -
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Yea, it's totaly not because I can only scan down 1 3/4 regions without tripping on another alliances toes, and oh, I have to share with the other ~10,000 Goonswarm Federation members for that 3/4 of Dekline and ~35,000 others in the CFC for all of Venal that I can scan down, that I can't seem to find complexes that aren't already being run by someone else. Which still means that if you do go out and try to find an unoccupied complex it's like winning the lottery, and you shouldn't count on that as a "normal" income as you are purporting. You on the other hand can go where you please, find times when most of an aliance is in bed asleep, and run through their space and take your time, which isn't a bad gig to be honest. Meanwhile in highsec, you can blitz run L4 missions and never run out of missions,never have to worry about a hostile gang camping you in your agents station, never have to worry about your mission ship getting exploded (unless you pimp fit it with deadspace and officer mods), and make about the same as someone lazy ratting anoms.
So who is being disingenuous here; The one saying that if you find an unocupied complex you've hit the jackpot, or the one saying that the complexes are everywhere and everybody out in null does them all the time like I do? "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7052
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:28:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null. yes. i was hallucinating when i got my loot in null. i hallucinated isk right into my wallet, and then bought PLEX with it. you jealous? Yeah, I'm doing the same. I run ghost sites in hostile space, which conveniently gets around the whole "ratting rights" thing we have. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:32:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote: Quoting so you don't edit/delet it.
Edit: Funny, when I scan down Dekline which is "Goon Space" I don't get Shadow Serpentis items or Vindicator BPCs. You must have special magic to make that happen. Anything ouside of Dekline or Venal isn't "ours" to use.
Sorry I had to edit it, accidentally posted a pic twice, don't want to be accused of deliberately exaggerating do I :)
Also that's pretty odd because in the pics I posted it says Goonswarm Federation. Must be another Goonswarm I'm thinking off.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:36:00 -
[1033] - Quote
Falin Whalen wrote:Yea, it's totaly not because I can only scan down 1 3/4 regions without tripping on another alliances toes, and oh, I have to share with the other ~10,000 Goonswarm Federation members for that 3/4 of Dekline and ~35,000 others in the CFC for all of Venal that I can scan down, that I can't seem to find complexes that aren't already being run by someone else. Which still means that if you do go out and try to find an unoccupied complex it's like winning the lottery, and you shouldn't count on that as a "normal" income as you are purporting. You on the other hand can go where you please, find times when most of an aliance is in bed asleep, and run through their space and take your time, which isn't a bad gig to be honest. Meanwhile in highsec, you can blitz run L4 missions and never run out of missions,never have to worry about a hostile gang camping you in your agents station, never have to worry about your mission ship getting exploded (unless you pimp fit it with deadspace and officer mods), and make about the same as someone lazy ratting anoms.
So who is being disingenuous here; The one saying that if you find an unocupied complex you've hit the jackpot, or the one saying that the complexes are everywhere and everybody out in null does them all the time like I do? Yup, because you can't make an alt and run combat sites all over null like we do. We must be really sprecial sprecial players. And we don't have to deal with almost every single person in null trying to kill us because we're invisible or have to compete with the same Goons, Razor, Venal residents you do because they all give us first go at all the sites because we're sprecial :)
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Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:40:00 -
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I wanked it to pornography today while running L4s. As I approached the point of busting, I was able to turn all my focus towards the lady on screen for a good minute. I completely forgot about the L4 I was running.
Could I do that in null? Sure, but my ship would be going "bust" too... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7053
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:44:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:\Also that's pretty odd because in the pics I posted it says Goonswarm Federation. Must be another Goonswarm I'm thinking off.
Just because it says "Goonswarm Federation" doesn't mean we can rat there. We have systems in other CFC regions for purposes of staging and logistics. For example, B-D in Cloud Ring. Except the only alliance that's allowed to rat in Cloud Ring is EXE. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
164
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:46:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:\Also that's pretty odd because in the pics I posted it says Goonswarm Federation. Must be another Goonswarm I'm thinking off.
Just because it says "Goonswarm Federation" doesn't mean we can rat there. We have systems in other CFC regions for purposes of staging and logistics. For example, B-D in Cloud Ring. Except the only alliance that's allowed to rat in Cloud Ring is EXE.
and here's where the fail begins
when you start thinking you aren't "allowed" to farm somewhere.
i can farm wherever i want.
it's all ******* empty anyways unless i'm an idiot and go straight into some particular busy system which are rare.
use the map. sort by jumps per hour, pilots in space in last half hour, ship kills in last hour, etc....
it's not hard. huge swaths will be < 10 jump/hour with 0 avg pilots/kills. basically means EMPTY. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7053
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:47:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:\Also that's pretty odd because in the pics I posted it says Goonswarm Federation. Must be another Goonswarm I'm thinking off.
Just because it says "Goonswarm Federation" doesn't mean we can rat there. We have systems in other CFC regions for purposes of staging and logistics. For example, B-D in Cloud Ring. Except the only alliance that's allowed to rat in Cloud Ring is EXE. and here's where the fail begins when you start thinking you aren't "allowed" to farm somewhere. i can farm wherever i want. it's all ******* empty anyways unless i'm an idiot and go straight into some particular busy system which are rare. use the map. sort by jumps per hour, pilots in space in last half hour, ship kills in last hour, etc.... it's not hard. Except it goes both ways. Other CFC alliances aren't allowed to rat in our space (well, TNT is allowed to rat in Deklein but they don't really contribute much to the congestion). It works out conveniently. So It's not the fail you think it is. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
164
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:49:00 -
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If you are worried about the bizarre political repercussions of farming space that your current character is not "allowed" to farm in - the solution is easy.
Use an alt in an NPC corp.
Nullsec abounds with empty systems and spawns everywhere. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7053
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:52:00 -
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That's one solution. Pretty **** move though. Other solutions would be to find quiet systems in our own space to rat anoms (decent isk, but not the billions and billions easy like IZ keeps telling us about), or make an NPC alt character to do L4s in highsec (in other words, barely requiring any attention spent). Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5338
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:04:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:I realise that just yapping insults is easier than accepting you're wrong, but you should try both some time.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I like how you're ignoring the posts which explain why you're wrong, and continue pushing the strawman that we deny you got your loot in null. Goons, always falling for the predictable troll.
Like Boat There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5338
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:06:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:That's one solution. Pretty **** move though. Other solutions would be to find quiet systems in our own space to rat anoms (decent isk, but not the billions and billions easy like IZ keeps telling us about), or make an NPC alt character to do L4s in highsec (in other words, barely requiring any attention spent).
EDIT: Or, we also could run sites in hostile space. Which is what I've been doing. Ghost sites are easy and quick. The only problem is they're also rare. What do you mean, I thought they were all over the place just waiting for you to farm them
go back to progodlegend's renters' space for a few hours and don't come back until you have a titan There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
164
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:07:00 -
[1042] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:That's one solution. Pretty **** move though. Other solutions would be to find quiet systems in our own space to rat anoms (decent isk, but not the billions and billions easy like IZ keeps telling us about), or make an NPC alt character to do L4s in highsec (in other words, barely requiring any attention spent).
EDIT: Or, we also could run sites in hostile space. Which is what I've been doing. Ghost sites are easy and quick. The only problem is they're also rare.
It's not a **** move.
EVE is open space.
There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm.
Again - use the map feature. Most of null is 100% empty. The sites can and do offer more rewards than L4 missions for the amount of time spent. Use your brain, and get the good farm. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1916
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:10:00 -
[1043] - Quote
hahaha you wanted to fight for space that you could earn money in, you shouldn't have bothered, just rat everywhere
don't you know the sov game is meant to be pointless |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7056
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:12:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm. Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
164
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm. Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far.
"For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums." |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7056
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:15:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm. Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far. "For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums." "I don't actually read posts, instead I make up whatever I think might be in them and form responses accordingly." Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
164
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm. Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far. "For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums." "I don't actually read posts, instead I make up whatever I think might be in them and form responses accordingly."
Want some cheese with that whine?
You're complaining about how your little island of safety feels crowded and how oh so mean and horrible it would be to undock and farm the vast empty swaths of nullsec
Boohoo. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1916
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:18:00 -
[1048] - Quote
there should be no reason to take systems
structure grinding is its own reward, and multiple timers are the icing on the cake |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7057
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:20:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm. Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far. "For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums." "I don't actually read posts, instead I make up whatever I think might be in them and form responses accordingly." Want some cheese with that whine? You're complaining about how your little island of safety feels crowded and how oh so mean and horrible it would be to undock and farm the vast empty swaths of nullsec Boohoo. Yeah, you clearly didn't read the part where I said I already do that. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:24:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:There is absolutely no reason to ever follow through on unreasonable "rules" about what you are "allowed" to farm. Except they're not unreasonable. They partition space between us based (loosely) on who has sov, where, and the relative sizes of our alliances so that we're given sufficient space to rat without stepping on each-other's toes or having to travel too far. "For political reasons I am choosing to earn less ISK than I could be. I will then complain about this situation on the forums." This is pretty hilarious. I was wondering why there were so many sites available in Goonspace and assumed it was because they were afraid to leave their hubs but its actually because they're constrained by their own politics :)
But yeah it doesn't stop them from going to the other side of the map, sort of ironic that the best (imo) NPC's are denied Goons because they took the space that holds them and have way too many people in CFC. Best NPC's as in I don't like Bloods, Angels or Sansha and the Ishtar is the best plexing shp and has perfect resists for Goonspace plexes.. + Vindicators BPC are pretty sweet drops.
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