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Crania
Aplac Org.
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Posted - 2013.10.17 11:30:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:sXyphos wrote:I just hope the Rattle becomes the "one drone boat to rule them all", that is all Haven't you heard? Drones suck in PvE now... The Rattlesnake might become the "one boat ruled by all".
Droneboats dont suck in PvE, they are just unpleasant to fly and nothing "half - afk - mode"
"ith the dominix change to drone tracking and optimal bonus its one of the most efficiant lvl4 boats with sentry drones droneamps and omni tracking links, even after the nerf from 10% -> 7.5% per skilllevel.
and i have no reason to use a rattle or a navy dominix or a armageddon.
yes i think rattle and navy dominix are outdated. |
Naomi Anthar
144
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Posted - 2013.10.17 11:53:00 -
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I see more AT ships around where i live in low sec than player owned sansha ships.
Again ... so people think Nightmare is good because it does well in PvE.
Hahahaha. Ships should not be balanced about PvE. It does well only because it can fit tachyons.
But how often do you see nightmare in PvP compared to Vindicators or Machariels ? Or Rattlesnakes, Bhaalgorns?
All Sansha ships need substantial buff.
Just to mention Nightmare IS MISSING COMPLETLY ONE SLOT. Yep it's not drone boat at all. But it's missing damn slot. It's 5% per level damage bonus is worst crap possible too. Let me show why:
Succubus : at all lvl V - you get EXTRA 0,5 turret from 5% damage bonus. GREAT RIGHT ? Mindblowing i would say. Phantasm : at all lvl V - you get EXTRA 0,75 turret from 5% damage bonus. Oh so broken and op once again. And is missing damn slot once again and lets not forget 2 utility highs ship does not need - because it got no bonus to neuts etc. Nightmare : at lvl V - you get extra 1 turret from 5% damage bonus. Yep that's it...
Look at other pirate ships and bonuses : how 5 % damage bonus is comparable to web strenght ? To neuts strenght ? To 10% falloff (it would take optimal)? To shield resistance ?
It's just folling people around into thinking that ship indeed got extra bonus like every other pirate ship. Which is not true : let's see slicer and rff for example. They got ROLE + DAMAGE bonus in one bonus : 25% per level.
What i suggest is to scrap 5% damage bonus or increase to at least 10% per level. Give Nightmare damn slot back you stolen - to low or mid. Give Phantasm slot back you stolen too. And move damn utility highs in those ships - they HATE it , they don't want it. Especially poor succubus. And hella lot of other buffs to all stats of those ships. They were **** - and they are even worse now since everything around got buffed like hell. Phantasm slower than machariel ? Hell it's real.
THERE IS REASON i see more Alliance Tournament ships in low sec than succubuses and phantasms. Yes i live in Tzvi - where often sits Tropic09 - they guy/girl that lost Chremoas. Yep you hear it. I see alliance tournament ships more .... And i do see drams/daredevils ... and less often but still worms/cruors. Just not sansha ships. And i don't want to use them myself. As they are utter garbage.
If i will hear they get buff ... i will be GREATLY disapointed. They need either MASSIVE BUFF or complete rework. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
928
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Posted - 2013.10.17 12:18:00 -
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I wouldn't be surprised to discover 'the plan' for the Guristas line is
Hybrids + ECM Dronebay : Worm 0m3, Gila 25m3, RS 50m3
just a little change, nothing too drastic at all. |
Naomi Anthar
144
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Posted - 2013.10.17 12:33:00 -
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And stop talking like Rattle is weak because it's cheap. It was already stated by people who farm that area themselves - it's just because there is much of those that supply them.
Yep they are just in more farmed areas .
Not saying Rattle is completly fine. But hella sure it's not useless or broken. |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
189
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Posted - 2013.10.17 13:05:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We've talked about them some but don't have set plans yet. I wouldn't expect any skill requirements to change.
So i'll expect everything to change then ;) Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Crania
Aplac Org.
4
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Posted - 2013.10.17 13:18:00 -
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Naomi Anthar wrote:And stop talking like Rattle is weak because it's cheap. It was already stated by people who farm that area themselves - it's just because there is much of those that supply them.
Yep they are just in more farmed areas .
Not saying Rattle is completly fine. But hella sure it's not useless or broken.
yep i agree but there just better options for pvp or pve in my opinion |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
413
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Posted - 2013.10.17 13:19:00 -
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I like my rattlers, but please....buff it.
edit: in a re-read it might not eb obvious that I really DO like the rattler and think it's a particularly mean PvE boat when correctly (read aggressively) fit. |
Goldensaver
Personal Defense LtD.
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:08:00 -
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Naomi Anthar wrote: All Sansha ships need substantial buff.
Just to mention Nightmare IS MISSING COMPLETLY ONE SLOT. Yep it's not drone boat at all. But it's missing damn slot. It's 5% per level damage bonus is worst crap possible too. Let me show why:
Succubus : at all lvl V - you get EXTRA 0,5 turret from 5% damage bonus. GREAT RIGHT ? Mindblowing i would say. Phantasm : at all lvl V - you get EXTRA 0,75 turret from 5% damage bonus. Oh so broken and op once again. And is missing damn slot once again and lets not forget 2 utility highs ship does not need - because it got no bonus to neuts etc. Nightmare : at lvl V - you get extra 1 turret from 5% damage bonus. Yep that's it...
Look at other pirate ships and bonuses : how 5 % damage bonus is comparable to web strenght ? To neuts strenght ? To 10% falloff (it would take optimal)? To shield resistance ?
1, 1.5, and 2 extra turrets equivalent, actually. This bonus compounds on top of the 100% role bonus so it's effectively a 50% increase in actual turrets. (4*2*1.25=10) |
Naomi Anthar
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:35:00 -
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Goldensaver wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote: All Sansha ships need substantial buff.
Just to mention Nightmare IS MISSING COMPLETLY ONE SLOT. Yep it's not drone boat at all. But it's missing damn slot. It's 5% per level damage bonus is worst crap possible too. Let me show why:
Succubus : at all lvl V - you get EXTRA 0,5 turret from 5% damage bonus. GREAT RIGHT ? Mindblowing i would say. Phantasm : at all lvl V - you get EXTRA 0,75 turret from 5% damage bonus. Oh so broken and op once again. And is missing damn slot once again and lets not forget 2 utility highs ship does not need - because it got no bonus to neuts etc. Nightmare : at lvl V - you get extra 1 turret from 5% damage bonus. Yep that's it...
Look at other pirate ships and bonuses : how 5 % damage bonus is comparable to web strenght ? To neuts strenght ? To 10% falloff (it would take optimal)? To shield resistance ?
1, 1.5, and 2 extra turrets equivalent, actually. This bonus compounds on top of the 100% role bonus so it's effectively a 50% increase in actual turrets. (4*2*1.25=10)
I know how bonus ships works with modules etc ... but had no idea it is like that. Thanks for info. Then maybe bonus itself is not that terribad. I though if it is in ship bonuses then it stacks additively. Fine that does not change fact Sansha ships are missing slots , got too many unbonused highs and are overral slowest ships around hands down (ok maybe Abaddon can contest this title). In short they are terrible - and thats why noone flies them except nightmare for Carebears in PvE. Because surprisingly that so good ship is not that good in PvP aswell.
Edit : +1 mate for non troll and actually useful non-ignorant post. Because i'm sure there many out there who would actually nerf overpowered phantasm and succubus. |
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:12:00 -
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Iris Bravemount wrote:Electrique Wizard wrote:Rattle is fine *cough* Dominix *cough* It is completely outdated now.
A rattlesnake its tank is way and way better though compared to that of a dominix. It would probably be best to keep the rattlesnake a drone dps ship since for missiles you have the golem you can use.
Perhapse a idea to give it the same bonus as the normal dominix with a small bonus to missile damage or give it the dominix before the nerf. ( the 10% ) |
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Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
413
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:21:00 -
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The only thing a rattler needs is more lock range. It's a thing of beauty.
[caveat]I use it in missions[/caveat] |
Battlingbean
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
32
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:43:00 -
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Please make pirate ships a priority. |
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance
177
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:56:00 -
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Plus one on buffing nightmare, add two missile slots so I can put two rhml on there with my TACHS :D |
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