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Sinakz
Revenge of the Mexican Cartel
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:04:00 -
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Hello guys, Quick question.
New to the game obviously and currently loving it but I want to make money..alot more, Would anyone be able to give me their opinions on what would be best out of Faction Warfare or Missions. Planning on flying a Caracal > Drake thanks alot.
Also take into consideration I will most likely have the aid of a EVE player that has been around for quite some time financially and Mission/FW help, Also doesn't have to be those could be something similar. |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:24:00 -
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Running defensive plexes in FW requires 0 skill points and can pay as well as L4 missions or much less, depending on your factions tier and when you play. (The quieter the time, the better, as any time you run from other players is time you don't earn anything.) Offensive plexes can pay even more and still require much less skill points than a L4 mission.
Low-level missions don't really pay much - anything below L4 is mostly for practice and to raise standings. Most people use a BS for L4s, although you can run them in a Drake if you have excellent support skills. But a BS is better, as you can complete them faster. The advantage of L4s is that it doesn't matter when you are playing, as you are pretty independent of other players. (Of course, there might be gankers, thieves and ninja salvagers, but they are much rarer than someone chasing you in FW.)
There are also FW missions, which can pay even more, but those are missions in low-sec, which require even more situation awareness.
As long as you cannot do L4 missions, I'm pretty convinced that running FW plexes will pay you more. |
J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:59:00 -
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*shrugs* Here we go again.
Gaining ISK or wanting to do "x" cuase it pays best... What is this new trend among new players.
ISK is a tool. It is a mean to make the most important thing in EVE, which is fun/hour.
You should not run missions or join FW cause it makes you ISK. You should do it cause you are having fun to do so.
I do level 4 missions, not for the money but because I feep like it. I use different types of income to provide me money so I can do what ever I find fun to do (this can depend on time/mood/etc) Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:13:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:*shrugs* Here we go again.
Gaining ISK or wanting to do "x" cuase it pays best... What is this new trend among new players.
ISK is a tool. It is a mean to make the most important thing in EVE, which is fun/hour.
You should not run missions or join FW cause it makes you ISK. You should do it cause you are having fun to do so.
I do level 4 missions, not for the money but because I feep like it. I use different types of income to provide me money so I can do what ever I find fun to do (this can depend on time/mood/etc) listen to the lady. also, the easiest way to earn ISK is to sell a PLEX. it costs you much less than a night out drinking and will get you enough ISK to get by for a month or so.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Winter Archipelago
Innocuous Infection
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:46:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:J'Poll wrote:*shrugs* Here we go again.
Gaining ISK or wanting to do "x" cuase it pays best... What is this new trend among new players.
ISK is a tool. It is a mean to make the most important thing in EVE, which is fun/hour.
You should not run missions or join FW cause it makes you ISK. You should do it cause you are having fun to do so.
I do level 4 missions, not for the money but because I feep like it. I use different types of income to provide me money so I can do what ever I find fun to do (this can depend on time/mood/etc) listen to the lady. also, the easiest way to earn ISK is to sell a PLEX. it costs you much less than a night out drinking and will get you enough ISK to get by for a month or so. Considering OP is still on a trial account, I'm actually going to recommend against injecting a PLEX into his account. Getting 500m ISK when you're only a few weeks into the game generally means you're only going to purchase a 500m lesson in EvE.
As much as various groups in EvE hate mining, taking a Venture out for a few hours will get about 20m ISK, which would be enough to fit up several frigs and destroyers, or a decent cruiser, which can then be used for other ISK-making purposes (including FW, if that's what OP wants to go towards).
Jumping straight in with a PLEX-injected account is generally just asking for trouble as a new player. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:40:00 -
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I'll bite since i havnt posted much lately..
Fleet warfare will pay best if you're any good at surviving in lowsec, there will be people hunting you who specialise in hunting people just like you.
Missions will pay best if you dont have the knowledge base to survive a bit of casual lowsec.
You don't have to choose now and stick tho, do both. Have a ship for FW (cheap) and a ship for missions (STILL Fing CHEAP!). That way you will always have something to do whatever your mood or the circumstances. I suggest against refitting the same ship and using it for both, since WHEN one gets destroyed you can just hop into another ship and not be mega depressed.
Use ships cheap enough so you can have multiples of the same ship + fit. If you cant comfortably afford to have a full spare of the ship you're currently flying sat back in a station ready to go, you are flying ships + fits that are outside of your price range. I don't just mean have the isk in your wallet, i mean actually have a replica on standby. The psychological bonus is worth it i promise you, being able to just get back in the ship you just lost without messing about building another one.
I think the main points here need re-iterating -
1. THERE IS NO POINT DOING THE HIGHEST PROFIT ACTIVITY IF YOU ARE LOSING EQUALLY EXPENSIVE SHIPS DOING IT. 2. Fly reasonably priced ships, tactics win over flashy stats and expensive modules. 3. Is it worth making loads of isk if the game sucks for you as a result? Fun comes first, isk WILL follow.
Fly safe bud, get in touch if you'd like a hand. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |
Sinakz
Revenge of the Mexican Cartel
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:39:00 -
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Thank you all for your answers. Much appreciated.
J'Poll wrote:*shrugs* Here we go again. You should not run missions or join FW cause it makes you ISK. You should do it cause you are having fun to do so.
and what makes the game enjoyable for me is to acquire huge amounts gold/credits/isk. |
Royal Commandos
Oh Derp
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Posted - 2013.10.19 09:18:00 -
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It's a big problem when people in this game aim for profit unlimited profits but not fun. From my expirience I can tell you stop chasing unlimited profits and do whats fun for you, then earn what you want to earn from doing whats fun to you instead of grinding things that you don't like.
If you like spreadsheets or being smarta*s you can aim for these activitys:
Station Trading Does not require huge ammount of isk and skills but mostly annoys with repetetive tasks and requirement of checking orders constantly.
Broker/Trader/Hauler A lot of people might argue about this with me but you can find example people, corps that mine asteroids at 0.5~ sec and they don't export their materials, offer then to buy at smaller but competetive rate and then transfer materials to hubs and sell for profit. If ammount not big you can haul it yourself or use Red Frog Freight as example.
Be spy for alliance, simple as that enstablish your rank among alliance and sell info for another one.
Be Explorer, I don't have much expirience on this.
Thats pretty much it with being smart
If you like being bada*s:
Become pirate, join pirate or mercs corp participate in wardecs and make a living from it, you can ransom people for leeting them go at low or null sec if you have gang. But this coin has another side most of the time it's borring and you have to camp a lot.
Join Alliance warfare corp, go through ranks and lead fleet of being FC (requires a lot of learning but offers a lot of fun stuff like swearing, shouting, insulting people, stuff like that), you can be rewarded for that. Renting null space and keeping habbitats alive.
If you like routine job:
Make 8 alts + Orca alt and mine (thats the most awfull thing in eve to do altough I mined myself at start.
Participate in Incursions, Train like a Rocky for incursions, defeat this guy -http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheCM9JA3KGNA==/imgrocky%20iv2.jpg BE BILLIONAIRE after a lot of grinding.
Do ratting in 0.0 pretty much same as Incursions.
Well I am out of ideas, discover yourself in this game and don't make me type this much anymore. Bye o/ |
J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2013.10.19 14:38:00 -
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Sinakz wrote:Thank you all for your answers. Much appreciated. J'Poll wrote:*shrugs* Here we go again. You should not run missions or join FW cause it makes you ISK. You should do it cause you are having fun to do so.
and what makes the game enjoyable for me is to acquire huge amounts gold/credits/isk.
I will expect you to not last more then a couple of months.
Why, cause you will have to switch from activity A to B to C to D and get bored about it. As no activity is high paying for a long time till people "exploit" it and the market crashes.
And you want to make shitload of ISK while doing FW (which is basically WAR fare, thus PvP). If you want to just generate ISK for the sake of ISK (I don't see how that could in any way be fun though)...do some station trading. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:01:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:I will expect you to not last more then a couple of months.
Pretty negative. Many people enjoy playing the businessman and hoarding isk to the point that they can manipulate the market. Isk may be a tool for you, but for some it is a challenge and a reward. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com |
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Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.20 03:28:00 -
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Really, isk is just income, what matter is, "Does my income meet my expenditures?" and "Does generating income not detract from my fun too much." As a newbie, the goal is to make enough isk that you can keep buying new and upgraded ships to get blown up in.
Trading is the most lucrative income generator in game...if you're doing it right. It is also considered worse than mining by many when it comes to boredom. Trading and Mining are both spreadsheet games. Also, once an item becomes known as "best" the whole market changes and the margin drops to nothing. So trading is not for people who enjoy doing the same thing the same way.
Mining. Consistent isk flow. A miner knows exactly how long to mine before going back out to kill stuff.
Missions. Mission runners mission two different ways. 1. Everything. Kill stuff, salvage everything.. Slowest method but most consistent. 2. Blitz. Players are usually farming Loyalty Points and selling those items on the market. Long waits between payouts.
Incursions- not really a rookie activity. But some fleets might take you.
Fleet Warfare. Basically a mission blitzer with interruptions.
Exploration - Very inconsistent and can be very risky. But big payouts when they happen.
Scammming - very inconsistent, but works eventually if you keep hitting it. You will also be on half the universe's block lists.
Manufacturing
ninja salvaging
Selling wormholes
Selling Characters - seems more of a break even activity.
Etc, etc. Just find something that generates income and go with it until it stops meeting your needs or ends up sucking. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2013.10.20 12:42:00 -
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Selling wormholes worked out very nicely for me :) in fact does anyone want a sweet C2/C1/HS? I'm serious btw it's a REALLY nice hole for a small or new (to wormholes) corp.. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:35:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Selling wormholes worked out very nicely for me :) in fact does anyone want a sweet C2/C1/HS? I'm serious btw it's a REALLY nice hole for a small or new (to wormholes) corp..
How does one sell a WH? I thought they were up for the taking...
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