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Chelone
Outside The Asylum
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:41:00 -
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Soon, all lowsec, 0.0 and W-space customs offices will be removed, and have to be rebuilt by players, with only 1 customs office per planet. What effect do you think this will have on non-highsec PI? I believe that these customs offices will not function as sources of tax revenue, as was presumably intended, but rather will be spammed onto planets and set to 100% tax rate to monopolize and control non-highsec PI, and prevent any PI competition and resource depletion on planets. If I'm wrong, please explain. |
Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:43:00 -
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:43:00 -
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Chelone wrote:Soon, all lowsec, 0.0 and W-space customs offices will be removed, and have to be rebuilt by players, with only 1 customs office per planet. What effect do you think this will have on non-highsec PI? I believe that these customs offices will not function as sources of tax revenue, as was presumably intended, but rather will be spammed onto planets and set to 100% tax rate to monopolize and control non-highsec PI, and prevent any PI competition and resource depletion on planets. If I'm wrong, please explain.
if thy customs office offends thee, blow it up.
and there's yer answer The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:44:00 -
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Chelone wrote:Soon, all lowsec, 0.0 and W-space customs offices will be removed, and have to be rebuilt by players, with only 1 customs office per planet. What effect do you think this will have on non-highsec PI? I believe that these customs offices will not function as sources of tax revenue, as was presumably intended, but rather will be spammed onto planets and set to 100% tax rate to monopolize and control non-highsec PI, and prevent any PI competition and resource depletion on planets. If I'm wrong, please explain.
something new for the bored low sec players, wont work here. will work in sov 0.0 and wh space. prices will go up cause of demand so it will make up for the high sec tax. |
Chelone
Outside The Asylum
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:47:00 -
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Morganta wrote:if thy customs office offends thee, blow it up. and there's yer answer
That's an answer for medium-size or better corps with the capability to do so. Thus all smaller corps and individuals will be totally shut out of non-highsec PI if what I'm predicting is true. Is that the consensus then?
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Hebby
Heb's Army
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:48:00 -
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Morganta wrote:
if thy customs office offends thee, blow it up.
and there's yer answer
I think this covers it. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
234
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:52:00 -
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Chelone wrote:Morganta wrote:if thy customs office offends thee, blow it up. and there's yer answer That's an answer for medium-size or better corps with the capability to do so. Thus all smaller corps and individuals will be totally shut out of non-highsec PI if what I'm predicting is true. Is that the consensus then?
is it?
if the office goes boom do your installations on the surface vanish too? or can you continue to do PI until you are ready to move product, then you call in the mercs, pop the high tax office, build yours, move your swag and do it again next week?
I mean there's a whole lot of planets in null, nobody is going to be able to watch them all 24/7
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Chelone
Outside The Asylum
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:56:00 -
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Morganta wrote:or can you continue to do PI until you are ready to move product, then you call in the mercs, pop the high tax office, build yours, move your swag and do it again next week?
And how many people will it take to pop a customs office? That was my point.
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
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Posted - 2011.11.02 03:01:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Chelone wrote:Morganta wrote:if thy customs office offends thee, blow it up. and there's yer answer That's an answer for medium-size or better corps with the capability to do so. Thus all smaller corps and individuals will be totally shut out of non-highsec PI if what I'm predicting is true. Is that the consensus then? is it? if the office goes boom do your installations on the surface vanish too? or can you continue to do PI until you are ready to move product, then you call in the mercs, pop the high tax office, build yours, move your swag and do it again next week? I mean there's a whole lot of planets in null, nobody is going to be able to watch them all 24/7 Honestly, i couldn't imagine anyone trying, i know if i was in a fleet responsible for going to over 200 sytems and checking EVERY FREAKIN PLANET, i would self-destruct rightt here on the spot.
i eman, even in LOW-SEC i've seen systems that never get more then 1 or 2 players a week traveling trhough, what OP fails to realize is that while there are alot of players in EvE, EvE is a BIG harsh cold place, and alot fo space is abandoned and ahs been for eyars, and will continue to eb abandoned for years. This isnt due to the lack of anything of quality, no, there are plenty fo ssytems with enough value to support a small low-sec alliance, it's just that they are eitehr out fo the way or there just arent enough players in the area to make occupation possible.
TL;DR OP, fly around a bit, regardless of how small your corp is, i guaranteee you can find a nice little system somewhere where no oen will ever look for you or your precious PI. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
13
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Posted - 2011.11.02 03:03:00 -
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The only thing I want to know is what happens to the PI structures on the planet when the CO gets blown up? |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
234
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Posted - 2011.11.02 03:09:00 -
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Chelone wrote:Morganta wrote:or can you continue to do PI until you are ready to move product, then you call in the mercs, pop the high tax office, build yours, move your swag and do it again next week? And how many people will it take to pop a customs office? That was my point.
well geeze, it only takes 3 guys to kill a cold POS, it takes forever, but I doubt a customs office will be as tough a nut to crack as a tower, but then again I have not heard anything about the process for killing one.
I'd hazard a guess that it will be comparatively easy to do, but it will probably take some time
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
234
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Posted - 2011.11.02 03:12:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:The only thing I want to know is what happens to the PI structures on the planet when the CO gets blown up?
theoretically nothing, the customs office only controls movement of supplies on and off planet.
so your stuff should still be there, you just may have to shell out the tax to someone you don't like The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2011.11.02 03:18:00 -
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Tedious-but-easy solo plan: have a bunch of low/null planets that are near highsec, route produced materials to the CC (as produced as you can get them, to reduce volumes), launch into space. CC launches can be done remotely, thankfully, and the launches last for four days (and don't spawn until you warp to them). Run around in a suitable ship and ferry the launches to a highsec factory planet.
With that backup in mind, I feel pretty good about the offices. People who can exert any control of any space, or rent such control, will feel even better about them. Since they'll be so easy to reinforce, maybe there will be smaller battles about them? |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
214
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Posted - 2011.11.02 04:19:00 -
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I think you will find that a lot of people are going to put reasonable taxes on customs offices in low sec. The important reason is this.
1. the only people who will have bpc's are going to be incursion runners. so the offices are going to cost a bit of money since a select few are going to control them.
2. Taking them out is going to cost resources, time and money, either to attack or replace.
What I think might happens is an unwritten agreement, ok we have an office up just keep the tax low, and no one will have any problems. |
Chelone
Outside The Asylum
3
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Posted - 2011.11.02 04:31:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:I think you will find that a lot of people are going to put reasonable taxes on customs offices in low sec. The important reason is this.
1. the only people who will have bpc's are going to be incursion runners. so the offices are going to cost a bit of money since a select few are going to control them.
2. Taking them out is going to cost resources, time and money, either to attack or replace.
What I think might happens is an unwritten agreement, ok we have an office up just keep the tax low, and no one will have any problems.
Trying to see the scenario where collecting taxes is better than just setting to 100% to prevent any depletion, then running all your own alts & corp members & their alts on those nearly-depletion-free planets. |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.11.02 05:03:00 -
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Chelone wrote: Trying to see the scenario where collecting taxes is better than just setting to 100% to prevent any depletion, then running all your own alts & corp members & their alts on those nearly-depletion-free planets.
Trying to see the scenario where collecting resources from low sec planets is still a viable use of my eve time. Tried and failed. Unsubbing (soon to be) surplus accounts. CCP can pay off their loans with someone else's plex. |
Abrazzar
270
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Posted - 2011.11.02 05:10:00 -
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There will be people ransoming customs offices. People with cap blobs. Those will then try to dominate certain planets or resources within systems, constellations and maybe even whole regions.
I for one welcome this new method of extortion. Investments were already made when they were viable.
In nosec, popping customs offices will hopefully become a favoured pastime of bored sub-blob fleets. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2011.11.02 05:13:00 -
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Chelone wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:I think you will find that a lot of people are going to put reasonable taxes on customs offices in low sec. The important reason is this.
1. the only people who will have bpc's are going to be incursion runners. so the offices are going to cost a bit of money since a select few are going to control them.
2. Taking them out is going to cost resources, time and money, either to attack or replace.
What I think might happens is an unwritten agreement, ok we have an office up just keep the tax low, and no one will have any problems. Trying to see the scenario where collecting taxes is better than just setting to 100% to prevent any depletion, then running all your own alts & corp members & their alts on those nearly-depletion-free planets.
That scenario is: "low-tax customs offices are found to have higher survival rates." |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
239
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Posted - 2011.11.02 07:29:00 -
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I have posted in the dev blog thread. I think it is a TERRIBLE idea for low sec. CO popping will become the new griefer pirate slow time hobby. It will drive every small corp out of PI in low sec. If I have POS in low sec at least I can "gun her up" to make popping the POS something you can't do on a whim.
Also the tax rate in high sec seems random and high.
I think the idea in null makes sense and will be a good thing, More stuff to own and fight over for folks that expect that in null.
So I vote "really bad idea CCP!"
I would prefer low sec POSs are owned by the pirate faction NPC in the systems so to use them you have to work on your npc pirate standing or increase the size of the rockets you can launch from a planet and add the ability to drop material to the planet so you could still do PI in low sec regardless of the CO owners but still have to take on the risks when you launch and drop (more targets for pirates! Woot!)
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
16
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Posted - 2011.11.02 07:37:00 -
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How it will go?
Some major players setup organization who sells custom office places, if you do not pay, your office will be blown up, constantly.
Some major alliances can have their own custom offices.
Then some bigger coalition buys best of those, set tax to 100% and limits randoms out of usage.
PI prices goes up and major players get more isk because their own supply is cheaper than before and also they will get some tax money from others.
So those who rule moon mining today might as well rule PI tomorrow. |
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Naari Talvanis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.02 08:47:00 -
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Awesome for Sov 0.0 and W-Space..
For low-sec and NPC 0.0, where players often go so they don't have to be bothered with defending stationary assets, not so great..
Would have no problem with the whole thing if low and NPC 0.0 would have conquerable CO's, where the "owner" can set the tax rate and collect it. (to a certain max, to avoid griefing.) Would have no problem with these planets being less recourcefull as a result.
Large swats of low and NPC 0.0 are uninhabited.. Ownable structures out there in the nothingness will not cause people to lay claim to them, it will only give others more stuff to shoot at while out roaming.. it's simply not lucrative considering all the time and effort going into getting the CO's in place, defending and maintaining them.
This mechanic is clearly made for sov gamestyle.. why force it down the neck of people who go to places without sov in the first place..? Reward the Sov players with better planets instead of (indirectly) taking content away from those who don't want to participate in that particular area of the game. |
steejans nix
0beron Construct Black Core Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:06:00 -
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Should be the same in high sec as low/null.
Make all customs offices player owned and put some conflict back into highsec for the mid sized indy corps. |
Grukni
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
4
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:25:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: I would prefer low sec POSs are owned by the pirate faction NPC in the systems so to use them you have to work on your npc pirate standing
Issler
I second this motion |
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